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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:57 pm

Kingsama wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Moving Gasol would be nice.
Getting Boozer back would be bad.
Getting a draft pick would be pretty awesome.


If you are looking to build through the draft....... If not we have no first next year and thus more to sign FA with. Over the last few years I've seen nothing from our leadership that would suggest that we are going to rebuild through the draft. It may have more use as a trade piece but then again we'd need trade pieces to pair it with. We have Randle as our only legitimate trade piece.....and maybe Nash's expiring but since we never trade expirings I'd discount that.


I think the concept is pretty simple. If we strike out this year and can turn Pau and Nash into cheap youth and picks that wont effect next years ability to spend or the year after that it gives the franchise even more flexibility.


It's simple in theory but beyond our current management's thinking so far. 2 years ago we could have traded Pau for value of some kind and didn't...... last year we could have and didn't.... we've let numerous "expiring contracts" expire over the last few seasons without making a trade to keep the precious cap available..... well it's available now and I'd say the smart money is on it being unused this season.... saving it for next season or the next... or the next... will be similarly fruitful. Top young FA will not move around like they have in the past under this CBA. I doubt there will much movement of top players at all unless a run is over or there is a "demand".

We're still walking back to the dugout from the swing and misses of the last 3 off seasons. Thinking it will be different next year is the definition of not learning from that it seems.

Not sure if it's Mitch or the Owner group but someone needs to go to get us out of the mid 2000's thinking.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Kingsama on Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:40 pm

Completely agree with your summation Roo, I think the plan would work, but not sure the Buss clan can think that way.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby vmor on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:28 am

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Pau Gasol will indeed meet with the Heat, according to a source.


so, MIA or SAS (or, unlikely OKC)... when reinvigorated Pau helps one of them to win the championship, what will you guys say then? Good riddance? Really? Shouldn't the interested parties tell you something about Pau's value?

To me, both Pau and Lakers deserve that outcome. Pau for being a truly nice guy and a world class player, Lakers (and many fans) for mistreating him for a last couple of years. Look how motivated he always plays for Spanish national team - and as a traditional center he can play on a pretty high level for another 4-6 years (e.g. KAJ, Malone etc.), unlike a guard.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:20 am

Of the rumored teams going after Pau (OKC, Chi, GS) I think the best piece we could get in a S&T would be Harrison Barnes. If GS can get Pau for just Barnes & the RJ TPE I think they do that over giving up Klay for Love. That gives them some serious depth up front/Bogut insurance & they still have good depth on the wing with Klay/Iggy/Green. I like Butler from Chi better than Barnes but not if he comes at the price of taking on Boozer. A starting SF with 3 more years on his rookie contract that only costs us 3M this season can help us load up at other positions.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:33 am

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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby CarFlagChris on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:46 am

If the Lakers sign another max deal, can the Lakers resign Gasol (at whatever number), as per his Bird rights, and avoid the luxury tax?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:49 am

CarFlagChris wrote:If the Lakers sign another max deal, can the Lakers resign Gasol (at whatever number), as per his Bird rights, and avoid the luxury tax?


No.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby CarFlagChris on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
CarFlagChris wrote:If the Lakers sign another max deal, can the Lakers resign Gasol (at whatever number), as per his Bird rights, and avoid the luxury tax?


No.


Enlighten me. Why not?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:35 pm

Gasol has a 20 million dollar cap hold, we don't have any cap room until we either renounce him or sign him to a cheap enough deal to open up enough room to sign a max deal.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby RushDelivery on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:48 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Gasol has a 20 million dollar cap hold, we don't have any cap room until we either renounce him or sign him to a cheap enough deal to open up enough room to sign a max deal.

Good point. This is why a sign-and-trade is extremely unlikely, since any salary the Lakers take back for Gasol results in his cap hold becoming actual salary, which will lower the possible available cap space.

EDIT: Even if the Lakers renounce all of their free agents (except for Randle), they will only have roughly $22 million in cap space to work with. This means if they take back even $5.5 million in salary for a single player, they will be down to about $17 million in cap space ($5.5 million minus the minimum salary cap hold for the player). Even that small difference would prevent the Lakers from offering Melo or LeBron a max contract.

The key would be finding a way to move Nash at the same time, then the Lakers could absorb more incoming salary in the trade. However, moving Nash seems extremely unlikely unless a team wants his expiring contract (meaning they would want to send salary in return), or if they needed help in reaching the minimum team salary.

IMO the Lakers will most likely renounce the rights to Gasol and let him walk, but we'll have to see how this plays out.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:54 pm

It's likely that we stretch Nash and renounce Gasol if Carmelo gives us the go ahead. That gives us plenty of cap space to give Carmelo a max deal and then whatever is left over would go to Gasol.

I have no real hope that the Lakers can unload Nash although that'd be ideal.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby RushDelivery on Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:00 pm

therealdeal wrote:It's likely that we stretch Nash and renounce Gasol if Carmelo gives us the go ahead. That gives us plenty of cap space to give Carmelo a max deal and then whatever is left over would go to Gasol.

I have no real hope that the Lakers can unload Nash although that'd be ideal.

That has to be the plan. There's no other way I currently see aside from trading Nash to make signing both Melo and Gasol possible from a salary perspective.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:20 pm

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therealdeal wrote:It's likely that we stretch Nash and renounce Gasol if Carmelo gives us the go ahead. That gives us plenty of cap space to give Carmelo a max deal and then whatever is left over would go to Gasol.

I have no real hope that the Lakers can unload Nash although that'd be ideal.

That has to be the plan. There's no other way I currently see aside from trading Nash to make signing both Melo and Gasol possible from a salary perspective.

I think if Carmelo ends up giving us the go ahead we end up with something along the lines of:
1. Carmelo signs his max deal.
2. Pau Gasol takes the left over money, but signs a 4 year deal so he gets over 20 million guaranteed.
3. We still have the 2.7 exception to nail down Young maybe or another good impact player.
4. I believe we have a TPE still from Blake's trade we can use.
5. Fill in the rest with minimum contracts.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:31 pm

If I'm a decent FA PG, I want a one year deal from the Lakers if we have Kobe, Melo, Randle, Gasol.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:32 pm

trodgers wrote:If I'm a decent FA PG, I want a one year deal from the Lakers if we have Kobe, Melo, Randle, Gasol.

Who is out there as an UFA?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:24 pm

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trodgers wrote:If I'm a decent FA PG, I want a one year deal from the Lakers if we have Kobe, Melo, Randle, Gasol.

Who is out there as an UFA?

There ARE some options. I'd be looking for a guy who can play with ball dominant players, won't let teams forget them (so has to be able to shoot 3s or drive and create), and can defend.

Intriguing:
Mario Chalmers
Jerryd Bayless
DJ Augustin
Kirk Hinrich
Isaiah Thomas

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Aaron Brooks
Ramon Sessions
Luke Ridnour
Rodney Stuckey
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:36 pm

I think Thomas is a RFA. I think I read a tweet, might have been Eric Pincus, that the Kings don't want to keep Thomas for what he's asking (8+ mil), but if the Lakers got Melo and Pau all they could offer Thomas would be 2.7 mil. For that he said the Kings would match, that they don't want to keep him for a lot, but of course they would at that price. I saw another article that says they're offering 5-6 mil to him right now. So he may be out if we actually got Melo and Pau, the other options trodgers posted would have to be looked at.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Helljumper on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:41 pm

I'd rather throw 6 million at Thomas than bring back Pau. I don't think Sacramento would match that after just throwing similar money at Collison. Then roll with a cheap defensive center like Okafor or JO and hope Sacre develops.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:43 pm

I wasn't being flippant, I was serious about who was available... I'm not really excited about any of those options honestly.

Maybe Bayless and Augustin would be my favorite options. After that I might instead try to develop some of the guys we've got on our Summer League team. Kane, Beaubois, and Marshall would all be fair options there.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:56 pm

therealdeal wrote:I wasn't being flippant, I was serious about who was available... I'm not really excited about any of those options honestly.

Maybe Bayless and Augustin would be my favorite options. After that I might instead try to develop some of the guys we've got on our Summer League team. Kane, Beaubois, and Marshall would all be fair options there.

I didn't think you were! I thought the list was a little more impressive than I was initially thinking, honestly. For a one year deal, Chalmers isn't a bad idea. I like the idea of developing someone to step into the role, but I don't know that we have a talent on roster to do that.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:58 pm

We can probably get by with Marshall and Farmar this year. Kobe will still advance the ball in big moments.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:13 pm

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therealdeal wrote:I wasn't being flippant, I was serious about who was available... I'm not really excited about any of those options honestly.

Maybe Bayless and Augustin would be my favorite options. After that I might instead try to develop some of the guys we've got on our Summer League team. Kane, Beaubois, and Marshall would all be fair options there.

I didn't think you were! I thought the list was a little more impressive than I was initially thinking, honestly. For a one year deal, Chalmers isn't a bad idea. I like the idea of developing someone to step into the role, but I don't know that we have a talent on roster to do that.

I just hate Chalmers. :man10:

I'd honestly rather stick with Marshall over him. Chalmers makes more sense, but I'd be fine with making due in that spot.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:20 pm

therealdeal wrote:I wasn't being flippant, I was serious about who was available... I'm not really excited about any of those options honestly.

Maybe Bayless and Augustin would be my favorite options. After that I might instead try to develop some of the guys we've got on our Summer League team. Kane, Beaubois, and Marshall would all be fair options there.


I think people need to give up on Augustin. He has been "intriguing" for years but never seems to make that breakthrough his draft position would have you hope.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:31 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I wasn't being flippant, I was serious about who was available... I'm not really excited about any of those options honestly.

Maybe Bayless and Augustin would be my favorite options. After that I might instead try to develop some of the guys we've got on our Summer League team. Kane, Beaubois, and Marshall would all be fair options there.


I think people need to give up on Augustin. He has been "intriguing" for years but never seems to make that breakthrough his draft position would have you hope.

He did alight in Chicago while Rose was out. Not great, but decent enough.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Woj - Probably done in LA (473)

Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:39 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:We can probably get by with Marshall and Farmar this year. Kobe will still advance the ball in big moments.


Not anymore... :disagree: :man5: :man6:

We're gonna wind up with Kendall Marshall and Jordan Clarkson as our PG rotation...trust me, once the Melo and LeBron dominoes fall (I.E., once they return to their teams for max money) then there will be a mad scramble of overpaid contracts for teams to land the leftovers.

No one WORTHWHILE will want to go into a situation like ours. Coaches won't want to come either, especially with the prospect of coaching a team with a washed up (and pissed off) Kobe, and a rookie forward with foot problems as their only talented players.

Young is gone (too expensive) ditto, Jordan Hill, Xavier, and even Ryan Kelly, since the Celtics, Jazz and Hawks will give him an offer that we won't want to match because of the stupid 2015 and 2016 idiocy. Remember that stretch 4s that have size and can defend are a commodity in this league. I'm seriously concerned here...
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