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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby LakerFan1235 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:34 pm

^summary anybody?
Every time I begin to ask, "Is he really as great as I think he is?" ...He proves that he is.
Every time I begin to wonder...He proves it...That is why I won't lose hope in him.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:42 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:^summary anybody?


dont play 2 post up bigs together...the end :man1:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:45 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:^summary anybody?



-the Mike Brown mess hid Pau sucking

-Pau was better being in the middle...was better with Drew because Drew was a gimp and didn't play as much

-Pau is a 40% jump shooter

-when Nash comes back, if Pau doesnt snap out of it, he's gonna be in bigger trouble

-Stu Lantz sucks

-Pau was been very good PR wise with the whole situation
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:48 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Pretty good read by SI's Ben Golliver:

The dust has settled from the Mike Brown-to-Mike D’Antoni coaching transition, and it can now be said definitively that Lakers big man Pau Gasol was one of November’s biggest winners. Why? Sadly, it’s not for any reasons related to style of play or X’s and O’s. Rather, he simply benefited from the commotion and distraction. He’s putting the finishing touches on one of the least effective months of his career and he practically escaped the negative headlines and scrutiny thanks to Brown.

As the Lakers now turn their attention from excising a failed coach to fashioning a workable future, Gasol inevitably finds himself back in the crosshairs.

While he’s never been a No. 1 scoring option on Kobe Bryant’s Lakers, Gasol’s production has remained remarkably consistent on the macro level. In 2009, 2010 and 2011, Gasol ranked No. 3 among power forwards in Player Efficiency Rating, averaging 18 points and 10-11 rebounds and shooting no worse than 52.9 percent from the field. He took a step backward last season and this year he’s fallen off a cliff. In 2011-12, Gasol ranked No. 8 among power forwards in PER, still solid, but saw his averages dip to 17.4 points and 10.4 rebounds, while shooting 50.1 percent from the field.

So far in 2012-13, Gasol is scoring a career-low 13.4 points, more than four points less than he averaged as a 21-year-old rookie, and shooting 43.4 percent from the field, his worst shooting average by more than four percentage points and 8.5 percent off his career 51.9 mark. The kicker: Gasol ranks No. 32 among power forwards in PER, squeezed between the likes of Markieff Morris and Glen Davis. Now is the time for the mandatory reminder that Gasol is being paid $19 million this season, one of the highest salaries in the league, and will make $19.3 million next season.

Gasol, as thoughtful and intelligent as NBA players come, has made it clear that he’s aware of his struggles. The Orange County Register reported last week that Gasol pointed to the distribution of his shot attempts as a cause for concern.

“I’m getting most all my looks as jump shots,” Gasol said. “I would like to see something close to the basket, and not just by rolling — especially when Dwight is there. But we’ll see. We’ll figure it out. We just started, pretty much.”

Gasol added: “How I get going is by getting in the paint and creating off the post and things like that. That’s historically how I’ve been very successful and how I’ve made a really good name for myself and earned my contracts. But hopefully I’ll find a way or we’ll find a way to get me a few opportunities there, too, and to get myself going that way and to be more effective.”

ESPNLA.com added that Gasol said that he “can stretch the defense and make a couple jumpers” but that he’s “not a pure jump shooter.”

Gasol, through the first month of the season, is a totally different type of offensive player than he was during his strongest and most efficient stretch, from 2008 to 2010. Using numbers from HoopData.com, we can easily spot the trend Gasol called out.

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As the chart indicates, in 2008-09, Gasol’s first full season with the Lakers, 44 percent of his field-goal attempts came at the rim. By comparison, just 16 percent of his attempts came on shots from 16-to-23 feet, commonly referred to as long twos. So far this season, 47 percent of Gasol’s attempts are long twos while just 27 percent have come at the rim. That’s a massive shift away from high-efficiency shots to low-efficiency shots, a trend that slowly developed over the last two seasons before accelerating this year as the Triangle Offense became a memory. To make matters worse, Gasol is hitting just 40 percent of his long twos this season, his worst mark during his time in Los Angeles.

This tells us that Gasol was right to raise the issue. The Lakers have had three coaches in 14 games and it’s been one series of adjustments after another. Another major adjustment is upcoming: the re-integration of point guard Steve Nash after he recovers from a leg injury. There’s a lot that’s unclear about the Lakers these days but Gasol’s effectiveness isn’t one of them. What he’s doing now isn’t working. He’s putting up his worst numbers, playing at his worst efficiency levels, taking (by far) his worst collection of shots and missing more than ever. The Lakers would have a much bigger problem if Gasol wasn’t sounding a siren in these conditions.

The scary part for Gasol (and the rest of the league) is this: The Lakers boast the NBA’s fourth-most-efficient offense. That’s with Gasol playing this ineffectively. That’s with Dwight Howard still not at 100 percent. That’s with Nash’s having played fewer than two full games before getting injured. In the past, Gasol was a top driver of L.A.’s offensive efficiency, not an obstacle, largely thanks to his versatile game and the dominating interior duo he formed with center Andrew Bynum. Now, they are succeeding in spite of him. For Gasol, this probably feels like a fork in the road. Just about anyone can shoot long twos at a 40 percent clip. That’s a totally replaceable contribution. A player of his stature is unaccustomed to feeling replaceable. If he’s not doing what he does well, then what’s going to keep him on the court?

The assumption, to this point, was that the Lakers’ weak bench would serve to keep Gasol on the court by default. That seemed to be the case, at least until last Friday, when D’Antoni benched Gasol down the stretch of a loss to the Grizzlies in favor of Antawn Jamison. The Spaniard said that he couldn’t remember the last time he had suffered that fate. “I’d like to win this game,” is how D’Antoni explained his decision, adding that he meant no “disrespect.”

This type of benching always carries with it a certain symbolic value and it can often be a simple wake-up call. It’s also worth noting that Gasol, 32, has complained of “bothersome” tendinitis in his knees, a condition that would clearly be problematic under any coach, and particularly in D’Antoni’s desired fast-paced system. Even with those explanations and extenuating circumstances in mind, Gasol’s place in the Lakers’ lineup, once a foregone conclusion, now feels less so. The reason: Howard.

82Games.com’s lineup data reveals Gasol’s critical role to the Lakers since his arrival. In 2008-09, Gasol was included in nine of the Lakers’ 10 most-used five-man units. In ’09-10, seven of 10. In ’10-11, seven of 10. Last season, nine of 10. Bynum, meanwhile, was a less consistent presence, partly because of ongoing issues with his health. In ’08-09, Bynum was in just four of L.A.’s 10 most used lineups. In ’09-10, he was in five of them. In ’10-11, four again. Last season, his career year, he was in seven of 10. To boil it down, Bynum was never a more regular presence in L.A.’s most-used lineups than Gasol, even when playing his best basketball.

This season has shown a minor reversal. Despite his bad back, Howard is present in eight of the Lakers’ top-10 most-used five-man units. Gasol, meanwhile, is in just six of them. Howard and Gasol, to no one’s surprise, are both included in four of the Lakers’ five most-used five-man lineup combinations. The bigger issue for Gasol, though: Lineups that pair Jamison and Howard at power forward/center have produced uniformly positive results. If D’Antoni wants the Lakers to go smaller and faster, there’s nothing yet numbers-wise that suggests Jamison/Howard is a bad idea.

It’s new and different and weird not to see Gasol out there when it matters, but D’Antoni wasn’t nuts for making the move and he won’t be nuts if he does it again. It can be difficult to play two traditional bigs at the same time these days, and there’s not much question who should stay on the court when it becomes “Howard or Gasol” time. Howard is averaging 18 points, 10.6 rebounds, 2.7 blocks and 1.4 steals. Most important, he’s shooting 58.8 percent from the field. Even with his free-throw-shooting limitations, this is an easy choice, one that often went in Gasol’s favor in past seasons when it came time to pick him or Bynum.

Nash’s return promises to be a reckoning of sorts for Gasol. Nash will either incorporate Gasol into the offense in ways that haven’t yet occurred, ways that did occur in past seasons, or he will wind up kicking Gasol down another peg. As it stands, Gasol is the clear third option and he’s struggling. If you’re Nash, or D’Antoni, is the priority to improve the play of the third option or to maximize the whole? How critical, exactly, is Gasol’s individual play to the Lakers’ big picture?

The Los Angeles Times reported D’Antoni’s take on Sunday.

“Pau’s a great player and he always will be a great player, so we’ll keep tinkering and working. … We’ve got to figure out how to get him more involved. Not just him, how to get Dwight more involved. We can’t have our big guys just shooting four, five or six times.”

The Orange County Register reported Bryant’s thoughts.

“It is still a work in progress as far as trying to figure out what we’re doing. We are trying to figure out a balance of when we want to attack. Getting up and down is obviously a big part of it, which we are still trying to work on. It is a balance. If he [Gasol] feels like he needs more touches, then we will give him some. … I don’t think it’s really a big deal.”

Gasol would be forgiven if he read that as lip service, especially in light of D’Antoni’s recent statements that he wants more from small forward Metta World Peace and shooting guard Jodie Meeks. Even if the pace picks up substantially and Nash gets back to his full maestro capabilities, it’s impossible for everyone to do more. Bryant has stood up to protect Gasol from endless trade rumors in the past; he’s also stood up for his own role as the No. 1 option in the offense time after time. Who, exactly, will be giving up looks to placate Gasol’s concerns?

The Lakers have asked Gasol to sacrifice plenty over the years, and this sure looks like another case where he will need to bend to the team rather than the other way around. His play is virtually guaranteed to improve, considering how slowly he started and how distorted his shot-distribution chart looks. Featuring him a bit more on offense when he’s on the court with the Lakers’ substitutes should be able to turn the rough start into a more acceptable product, but Howard isn’t going away anytime soon. Gasol had to know that a transition was coming with Howard’s arrival, but it’s unlikely he expected that it would take place so swiftly and come so directly at his expense.

Kudos to Gasol, again, for pushing back a bit, but it’s quite possible this train will move along with him as a passenger rather than as one of the conductors. That approach could still produce a title for the Lakers, but Gasol would probably do well to leave thoughts of how he “earned his contracts” in the past. The truly high-achieving days are likely gone for good.


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:58 pm

^ At the beginning it talks about how Gasol, even though he wsasnt the primary option, was still a very productive player. Ranking highly amongst the best PF's in the game ( even though, IMO, he played his best ball as a C in his early years with us but thats for debate I guess ) and even ranked quite highly last year.


Then he mentions how he would prefer to get some looks closer to the hoop...that although he can shoot the j, it isnt a pure shot for him.
Stats show that as his time with us has moved along..he has progressively shot more long range shots and fewer shots at the rim.

Article mentions that the stats show that Gasol has a point and even with these issues, we still have the 4th most efficient offense in the sport.

They though Pau would get plenty of minutes on the court when Dwight sits but then the game were Pau sat out for the majority of the 2nd half came along. Mentions how Pau couldnt remember the last time that happened to him.

Has complained about tendinitis in knees ( like most players I'd imagine ). A once certain spot in the line up is now not so certain because of Howard.

82games.com showed how Gasol was in the majority of our best line ups over the years..last Year Drew was in 7 of 10 and that wasnt as many as Gasol was in in his earlier seasons with us.
Howard-Jamison has been just as effective as Howard-Gasol..according to the stats.

D'Antoni wasnt nuts for sitting Gasol and it prob will happen again.

Nash return will be his reckoning. Either he will become more important or he will be knocked down even more.

Kobe and MDA say some nice things about him and in Kobe's case, brushing any issues aside.

Lakes have asked him to sacrifice a lot over the years...featuring him with the subs would help him aling the way but Howard isnt going anywhere

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:31 pm

Interesting article. I still don't believe we're trading him for Amare. If we do trade Pau, it will have to be for a package of players that can fit this system.

Although, I don't see anything happening until Nash returns; I just don't know how Nash is going to improve his play, though. I don't see it. So, if his production stays the same with Nash, his chances of being traded by Feb greatly increase.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Alcindor on Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:59 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Interesting article. I still don't believe we're trading him for Amare. If we do trade Pau, it will have to be for a package of players that can fit this system.

Although, I don't see anything happening until Nash returns; I just don't know how Nash is going to improve his play, though. I don't see it. So, if his production stays the same with Nash, his chances of being traded by Feb greatly increase.


If his production stays the same with Nash, his chances of being traded by Feb greatly decrease. Teams will want him even less than they do now. He's not like a piece that we can just put out there and teams will line up for. Pau would actually need to prove he can return to form as a post player first of all and then we might be able to move him but it would still likely be tricky and probably involve 3 teams.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:10 pm

As of right now, I only can see 3 realistic contenders that can both absorb Pau's contract and utilize him for their benefits beyond this year: Minny, Utah, Toronto
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Lakerman JSJ on Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:18 pm

No way the Lakers trade for Amare's contract. It's beyond unlikely. Not even worth discussing.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:24 pm

I hope the old man steps in and puts his foot down on this possibility. If true, MDA is trying to rebuild the PHX teams that got their Azz handed to them in the Playoffs again.... there was a reason those teams didn't win with a prime Amare and a Prime Nash..... no defense.

If Pau is traded it has to be for a defensive minded PF and I'd like to see a significant upgrade as the SF in the deal as well. MWP off the bench with Jamison and Blake would give us a very experienced bench.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 432J on Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:29 pm

i was thinking that hopefully these trade rumours don't phase pau but then i thought

he's having a terrible season already so what different does it make
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he's probably used to it since he's been the center of trade talks for over a year and a half now
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby King of Clutch on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:16 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:No way the Lakers trade for Amare's contract. It's beyond unlikely. Not even worth discussing.

This. Can't believe people are overlooking his HORRIBLE contract. That alone makes this deal impossible. Already broke the bank with the current roster, then hired Mike D while still paying Mike B, now they're thinking of bringing Amare and his contract into the fold? HELL NO!
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:24 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:No way the Lakers trade for Amare's contract. It's beyond unlikely. Not even worth discussing.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby King of Clutch on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:25 pm

But as far as basketball is concerned, Amare is not a definite upgrade, but a slight one. I think people are confusing Amare + melo, with amare - melo. When Amare was the lone star player in new york, he was an mvp candidate. Averaged nearly 30ppg and his team flourished. I believe that if he were around defensive minded players in L.A with dwight metta, and at times kobe, he'd be forced to give effort on that end. Much like Antawn has done to a degree so far. And how much worse defensively can he be than gasol. He sure wont get burned as much in the pnr. And he's younger, so its not like he's just getting old. Offensively he's just better than gasol. No debate about it. Better shooter, better faceup post player, overall better offensively. And adding nash to that mix might improve his game even more.

Now its been fun making a case for Amare coming to the lakers. But his contract is going to prevent this from happening before anything else does. No chance he comes.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby D.B. Cooper on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:30 pm

The Original 81 wrote:HELLLLLL no to Amar'e.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:31 pm

King of Clutch wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:No way the Lakers trade for Amare's contract. It's beyond unlikely. Not even worth discussing.

This. Can't believe people are overlooking his HORRIBLE contract. That alone makes this deal impossible. Already broke the bank with the current roster, then hired Mike D while still paying Mike B, now they're thinking of bringing Amare and his contract into the fold? HELL NO!


Yep. And if anything ... the Lakers will want to slash payroll if they can by getting young talent and some expiring contracts for Pau. Everything points to when Kobe's deal expires. Then the Lakers will go after LeBron.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:32 pm

Makes absolutely no sense at all to hire 'Amare, when Phil is available. :man1:

I have no Clue what is happening in Lakerland these days, but I suspect it has something to do with Mr. Scoutender with the blender in the trophy room.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:39 pm

King of Clutch wrote:But as far as basketball is concerned, Amare is not a definite upgrade, but a slight one. I think people are confusing Amare + melo, with amare - melo. When Amare was the lone star player in new york, he was an mvp candidate. Averaged nearly 30ppg and his team flourished. I believe that if he were around defensive minded players in L.A with dwight metta, and at times kobe, he'd be forced to give effort on that end. Much like Antawn has done to a degree so far. And how much worse defensively can he be than gasol. He sure wont get burned as much in the pnr. And he's younger, so its not like he's just getting old. Offensively he's just better than gasol. No debate about it. Better shooter, better faceup post player, overall better offensively. And adding nash to that mix might improve his game even more.

Now its been fun making a case for Amare coming to the lakers. But his contract is going to prevent this from happening before anything else does. No chance he comes.

Amare is definitely NOT an upgrade over Pau. He's definitely a downgrade. Amare is significantly worse defender, rebounder, and he's less efficient offensively. Amare was never an MVP candidate. He got off to a hot start, but tailed off significantly after that. MVP's don't do that. They're consistent all season long. Amare's toxic contract is enough to not do this deal, but also because he's not an upgrade at all over Gasol. Last season while Stoudamire was the 2nd option on the Knicks he only averaged 17 points and a measly 8 rebounds on just 48 percent shooting. Pau as the 3rd option averaged 17 points, 10 boards, on over 50 percent shooting. There's zero reason to make this deal.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:56 pm

Amare is an upgrade at PF. Pau is a better C but Amare has the better PF skills. He's a better jump shooter than Pau, better face up guy vs 4s, faster, and more explosive. Pau has a better game at C than him, but as a PF, Pau is not better than Bosh, Amare, Zach, Dirk, Aldridge, Love, Blake, Boozer and a number of other bigs. Hs a god damn C, was never better than Odom at the 4 either. Bargani would be a PF upgrade
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby The Original 81 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:58 pm

kblo247 wrote:Amare is an upgrade at PF. Pau is a better C but Amare has the better PF skills. He's a better jump shooter than Pau, better face up guy vs 4s, faster, and more explosive. Pau has a better game at C than him, but as a PF, Pau is not better than Bosh, Amare, Zach, Dirk, Aldridge, Love, Blake, Boozer and a number of other bigs. Hs a god damn C, was never better than Odom at the 4 either.


One thing I do agree with here is that Pau is strictly a center at this stage of his career and shouldn't be playing power forward.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby dak22 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:08 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Makes absolutely no sense at all to hire 'Amare, when Phil is available. :man1:

I have no Clue what is happening in Lakerland these days, but I suspect it has something to do with Mr. Scoutender with the blender in the trophy room.


I'm sure no one does as well, but we can infer from past history. Since this rumor is a trade, let us look at the most recent lakerland transactions since "scoutender" took his position:

1. Trades Odom/Gasol for Chris Paul that would have went through if it weren't for "basketball reasons".

2. Trades Odom for an Exemption. Said exemption was used to land Steve Nash.

3. Trades Walton for Ramon Sessions, which at the time was considered an upgrade at PG.

4. Trades Fisher for Jordan Hill, who was thought to be a throw in but is now one of our best bench players.

5. Trades his pet, which people say he wouldn't let go, for the best center in the league in a 4 way deal no one expected.

Yeah I'm sure he's making some great margaritas in the thorphy room right now. Then again it might not be that, if the last trade is anything to go by :man1: .
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:13 pm

would want to keep pau, and if were not gunna play ebanks than bring in a good SF (pietrus?) so that mwp can get some rest and be well rested for every minutes hes out there which would be huge..weve seen what he can do when hes rested
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:20 pm

dak22: That's cause Mitch used to be able to handle his liquor, but these days its clearly getting to him. The man said just the other day how this roster is more suitable to run D'Antoni's uptempo scheme as opposed to Phil's Ring machine. :what:

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby last stand on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:33 pm

if they offered shumpert and smith and offered to take blake or duhon and clark then i'd be hard pressed to decline the deal

pau and amare at this point are equal in value. declining players with crappy contracts. one's a better shooter/scorer (amare) the other is a better rebounder/passer (pau). Pau however is a better fit with both teams just based on his unselfish nature.

but getting shumpert and smith would make that worth it
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:36 pm

^^I disagree... Pau is a bad fit for us specifically BECAUSE of his unselfish nature.... he has an advantage on most nights and still passes to player with far less skill just for the sake of being "unselfish".... when you have the level of skill he possesses not using it to it's advantage is not a good thing....
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