Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Greatest of All Time wrote:

Finwë wrote:

Greatest of All Time wrote:

Finwë wrote:LMAO @ that 3 team, 18 player trade someone suggested. Not likely

Let's ignore the whole 18 player trade thing no matter how unlikely it is. That's just an example of what they could do. Would you not take Millsap/Parsons/whatever over Pau Gasol at this point? Parson's potential is very intriguing, especially in this offense. I'd take him over Derrick Williams.

Yes an 18 player deal is really unlikely but if I'm each team and I consider the benefits of the deal and conclude that it would help improve my team, I'd at least explore options to see if they can come up with a deal that everyone accepts. Maybe they could restructure it to include less players, maybe they'd need 4 teams I don't care, as long as it could help my team. If I'm Jim Buss and someone told me I could possibly make a deal that would improve the team and save money but it involved a huge 3-team trade, I wouldn't let that stop me. Were you laughing at that Steve Nash thread when it was just wishful thinking by a fan?

Trading Pau virtually requires at least 3 teams. If we consider other stretch 4s like Ryan Anderson, Aldridge, David West etc., you'd have to think those teams don't want Pau straight up. So you'd need to find a third team who wants Pau and can offer enough incentive to help the Lakers get the stretch 4. This is similar to the Dwight Howard situation where the Magic couldn't get what they wanted in a straight up deal so they orchestrated that crazy 4 team deal to make it work. Except Pau's trade value is ten times lower and nobody really wants him.

Kirilenko, Williams, and Ridnour sounds nice but Kirilenko is going to get injured sooner or later. You just have to hope and pray it's nothing significant or something that lingers but he's good for missing at least 10 games a season.

Of course I'd take that trade, I was just stating that it's a very unlikely scenario and maybe we should refrain from discussing such ideas and start with simpler, more possible & most importantly actually rumored ones.

What rumored deals are there really? The Josh Smith deal is probably just something released by his agent. And what makes something like that more realistic than a 3-team trade? Because it's less complicated? It might be less complicated but those negotiations would never really get serious when you consider that Atlanta has absolutely no reason to pay Pau for an extra year.That scenario is even more unlikely than a 3-team trade. I'd think that the Jazz would be morewilling to accept a deal that saves them money and nets them return for Millsap and the Rockets would be more likely to want Pau Gasol than the Hawks would be willing to pay Pau Gasol $19 million for an extra year.

I realize that the 18 player trade was a little outrageous so I simplified it as much as I could. I got it down to 9 players:



Utah saves $7,900,000.00 in 2012-2013, $6,900,000.00 in 2013-2014, and $14,800,000.00 total over the next 2 seasons with this deal.

Houston gets Pau Gasol. They don't have a backup 2 or 3 but they keep Lin, Asik, Harden and Patterson. Marcus Morris might be able to play some 3 for them.

The Lakers take on an additional $388,250.00 in salary and pay an extra $388,250.00 in luxury taxes. However, next season, they'd save $9,100,000.00 in 2013-2014 plus $13,650,000 in luxury taxes (taxes multiplied by 1.5 for repeat offenders next season). In total, they'd save $8,711,750.00 in guaranteed salaries over the next 2 years.

The Lakers would need to cut Sacre and DJO and someone like Ebanks and try to dump Clark's expiring on someone to make enough room.

The trade can be adjusted so the Lakers get Raja Bell and the Jazz get Earl Clark. If they do this, the Lakers take on an additional $2,688,250.00 in salary this season plus $2,688,250.00 in taxes. They save $9,100,000.00 in salaries next season for a total savings of $6,411,750.00 in guaranteed salary over the next 2 seasons. The Jazz save $10,200,000.00 this year, $6,900,000.00 next year, and $18,300,000.00 total in salaries if Bell and Clark are included.

Greatest of All Time wrote:

Finwë wrote:

Greatest of All Time wrote:

Finwë wrote:LMAO @ that 3 team, 18 player trade someone suggested. Not likely

Let's ignore the whole 18 player trade thing no matter how unlikely it is. That's just an example of what they could do. Would you not take Millsap/Parsons/whatever over Pau Gasol at this point? Parson's potential is very intriguing, especially in this offense. I'd take him over Derrick Williams.

Yes an 18 player deal is really unlikely but if I'm each team and I consider the benefits of the deal and conclude that it would help improve my team, I'd at least explore options to see if they can come up with a deal that everyone accepts. Maybe they could restructure it to include less players, maybe they'd need 4 teams I don't care, as long as it could help my team. If I'm Jim Buss and someone told me I could possibly make a deal that would improve the team and save money but it involved a huge 3-team trade, I wouldn't let that stop me. Were you laughing at that Steve Nash thread when it was just wishful thinking by a fan?

Trading Pau virtually requires at least 3 teams. If we consider other stretch 4s like Ryan Anderson, Aldridge, David West etc., you'd have to think those teams don't want Pau straight up. So you'd need to find a third team who wants Pau and can offer enough incentive to help the Lakers get the stretch 4. This is similar to the Dwight Howard situation where the Magic couldn't get what they wanted in a straight up deal so they orchestrated that crazy 4 team deal to make it work. Except Pau's trade value is ten times lower and nobody really wants him.

Kirilenko, Williams, and Ridnour sounds nice but Kirilenko is going to get injured sooner or later. You just have to hope and pray it's nothing significant or something that lingers but he's good for missing at least 10 games a season.

Of course I'd take that trade, I was just stating that it's a very unlikely scenario and maybe we should refrain from discussing such ideas and start with simpler, more possible & most importantly actually rumored ones.

What rumored deals are there really? The Josh Smith deal is probably just something released by his agent. And what makes something like that more realistic than a 3-team trade? Because it's less complicated? It might be less complicated but those negotiations would never really get serious when you consider that Atlanta has absolutely no reason to pay Pau for an extra year.That scenario is even more unlikely than a 3-team trade. I'd think that the Jazz would be morewilling to accept a deal that saves them money and nets them return for Millsap and the Rockets would be more likely to want Pau Gasol than the Hawks would be willing to pay Pau Gasol $19 million for an extra year.

I realize that the 18 player trade was a little outrageous so I simplified it as much as I could. I got it down to 9 players:



Utah saves $7,900,000.00 in 2012-2013, $6,900,000.00 in 2013-2014, and $14,800,000.00 total over the next 2 seasons with this deal.

Houston gets Pau Gasol. They don't have a backup 2 or 3 but they keep Lin, Asik, Harden and Patterson. Marcus Morris might be able to play some 3 for them.

The Lakers take on an additional $388,250.00 in salary and pay an extra $388,250.00 in luxury taxes. However, next season, they'd save $9,100,000.00 in 2013-2014 plus $13,650,000 in luxury taxes (taxes multiplied by 1.5 for repeat offenders next season). In total, they'd save $8,711,750.00 in guaranteed salaries over the next 2 years.

The Lakers would need to cut Sacre and DJO and someone like Ebanks and try to dump Clark's expiring on someone to make enough room.

The trade can be adjusted so the Lakers get Raja Bell and the Jazz get Earl Clark. If they do this, the Lakers take on an additional $2,688,250.00 in salary this season plus $2,688,250.00 in taxes. They save $9,100,000.00 in salaries next season for a total savings of $6,411,750.00 in guaranteed salary over the next 2 seasons. The Jazz save $10,200,000.00 this year, $6,900,000.00 next year, and $18,300,000.00 total in salaries if Bell and Clark are included.

GoldenKnight wrote:
Can you also squeeze Jefferson, Harden & Lin to come tot he Lakers? Seriously...who would do this terribly unfair trade? Utah doesn't want crap players while trading away Millsap...& the rockets won't let go of Parsons & also include White who they wasted a pick on...give me a break...

Kobe Bryant calls out Pau Gasol

LOS ANGELES -- For the second time in five games, Los Angeles Lakers forward Pau Gasol watched the final minutes of the fourth quarter from the sidelines. Kobe Bryant says that Gasol has to take it into his own hands to change that.

"Put your big-boy pants on," Bryant said after the Lakers' 113-103 loss to the Orlando Magic on Sunday that dropped the team's record to just 8-9. "Just adjust. Just adjust. You can't whine about it. You can't complain about it."

borri wrote:Oh and STAT is looking better and better by the day.

khmrP wrote:

borri wrote:Oh and STAT is looking better and better by the day.

really, even in a suit?

The Rock wrote:Im on the fence about trading Pau. I still think we can win a championship with him. If a trade were to be made it better be for someone who fits right in and addresses several needs of the team. I dont want our team to trade Pau just for the sake of making a change. We can't be making changes just because we face the slightest of adversity here and there, absorb this, work on this together as a team and come out on top. I still have a lot of faith in this roster as currently constructed to win a championship. Nash's injury, Dwights FT shooting, Pau's attitude and lack of consistency has really messed this season up so far. All those things are fixable. This is not a talent problem like last year.

khmrP wrote:

The Rock wrote:Im on the fence about trading Pau. I still think we can win a championship with him. If a trade were to be made it better be for someone who fits right in and addresses several needs of the team. I dont want our team to trade Pau just for the sake of making a change. We can't be making changes just because we face the slightest of adversity here and there, absorb this, work on this together as a team and come out on top. I still have a lot of faith in this roster as currently constructed to win a championship. Nash's injury, Dwights FT shooting, Pau's attitude and lack of consistency has really messed this season up so far. All those things are fixable. This is not a talent problem like last year.

Pau's D and slow footedness is NOT fixable, to me anyways

Punk-101 wrote:Prime example of the frustrations with Pau: About 8min left in the 4th, Pau playing center, single covered by big baby at the highpost, entry pass by Duhon, pau hot potatos it back to Duhon. No attempt to repost or get better position, duhon passes it back to pau, pau gives it back again without making any move or even surveying the floor. I don't want to say that this dance happened one more time, but i think it did. Anyone else remember this sequence?