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Postby Finwë on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:47 pm

Even though he's been sucking lately, I still want him back. That second unit with Hill & Clark or Hill & Jamison was just awful. I dunno at least Pau attracts defensive attention, even if he doesn't really deserve it lol
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Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:49 pm

PAU PLAYED LIKE A TOTAL WUSSY TONIGHT! HE WAS BASICALLY SITTING THERE AND DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! TRADE THE DAMN GUY! :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:36 pm

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trodgers wrote:Tendinitis in a big isn't really a minor bothersome injury. It's going to rob his lift, slow him down, decrease his agility. Sitting a few days could be night and day, honestly.


Is a few days even enough to make a difference?


One word. No. He would need 3-4 weeks of rest to really cure that tendonitis in his knees. Unfortunately, I think Pau has requested to be traded. He done the same type thing with Memphis before he was dealt to us. I hate it. He's my 3rd favorite Laker all-time behind Magic and Kobe.
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Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:52 pm

i know we've all been dumping on pau's ineffectiveness, but i was just watching backstage lakers.

he's a beautiful person, such a big heart. i seriously think he should go finish med school and become a doctor when he retires from the NBA. he's got the genuine passion to make the grind worth it.

in the meantime, get healthy and get back to kicking a** for our team please.
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Postby LakerFanIam on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:14 pm

Pau was terrible in the 4th Qtr. tonight against the Rockets... I say ship him out immediately.
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Postby halekulani on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:21 am

i wouldnt trade pau
u guys are crazy

i'd just make him the #1 option on the second unit
have him play in the post every time down the floor
either the other team mimics you with their own starting player or watch their second unit get destroyed by pau
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Postby dj vitus on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:26 am

Getting blown out again in the 4th w/o Gasol? I say we throw him in with 7-8 mins left in the game. Use him as a designated hitter of sorts. :man11:
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:49 pm

From Bucher so take it with a grain of salt

Source: Ignore any and all trade talk about Pau Gasol because the Lakers landed Steve Nash by promising

him he would get to play with Gasol. Nash made it a prerequisite for passing on offers from Toronto and the Knicks that Pau would be around, the source said. Such prerequisites from an incoming star aren't that unusual -- Chris Paul made similar personnel demands as part of his agreement to be dealt to the Clippers. (In Paul's case, he wanted assurance that LAC would do whatever was necessary to retain restricted FA DeAndre Jordan.) Conceivably, once Nash gets back and actually plays with Gasol, the Lakers could continue to struggle and Nash re-thinks his position. But as of right now, one of the enticements that brought Nash to LA was the big Spaniard and the organization would have much bigger problems than they already have if they backtracked on their promise to keep Gasol in the fold. 10 minutes ago


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Postby Punk-101 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:01 pm

Hopefully Nash can turn Pau into Gortat.

Yes, I just said that with a straight face. :man10:
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Postby karacha on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:05 pm

Don't be like that. He is almost at the Gortat level right now, without Nash. :mhihi:

Gortat with Nash: 15/10, shooting 55%.
Pau without Nash: 13/9, 42%.

Almost there. There is no doubt in my mind that Pau will be at least as good as Gortat once Nash comes back.






















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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby Weezy on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:18 pm

If we keep Pau we keep Pau, oh well, maybe Nash can help him.

Anybody else not miss him though? I much prefer Jamison starting, and I much prefer Hill getting the backup minutes for Dwight, both guys hustle more than Pau.
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Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:21 pm

Weezy wrote:If we keep Pau we keep Pau, oh well, maybe Nash can help him.

Anybody else not miss him though? I much prefer Jamison starting, and I much prefer Hill getting the backup minutes for Dwight, both guys hustle more than Pau.


Hey Weezy that's what I've been saying about both Hill and Jamison. I really think that Pau will be traded. Make sure he's healthy enough to be traded and once the 12/15 deadline comes he's gone. Pau is very valuable for a team that runs a system that caters to his strength.

Hill can easily backup Dwight. I love what he brings to the table. Jamison should start at the 4.
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Postby Punk-101 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:23 pm

Can we stop the Pau for Anderson rumors now? Dude is Kevin Love-lite. No way NOH parts with him, IMO.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:28 pm

I'm seeing 2 packages out there that I very much like:

Gasol for Pekovic/Ridnour/Derrick Williams/1st round pick

Gasol for Bargnani/Calderon


Both trades would help our team immensely. Although I hate Bargnani, I think the italian connection with Dantoni, and playing with a guy like Nash...it's a perfect fit for him. Calderon also being our back up PG makes our second unit a thousand times better because he plays just like Nash and can shoot the 3 ball like Nash too.

The Twolves trade is interesting...Ridnour is a huge upgrade over any of our back up PG's right now....Pekovic is a legit big man who can play the 5...Derrick Williams is a nice young player who given the right team, can really fill it up...and of course its nice to have a 1st round pick.


I'd be shocked if either team would help us out though...I think at this point its unrealistic to expect to get a player like Kevin Love for Pau, so I think the Twolves deal IS more realistic than people think. Both deals are nice...I like the Toronto deal a little bit more for us right NOW, as Bargnani is a way better fit next to Dwight than pau is because of his ability to stretch the floor...and calderon is a perfect fit in dantoni's offense and he would allow Nash to play 25-28 mpg.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:30 pm

Weezy wrote:If we keep Pau we keep Pau, oh well, maybe Nash can help him.

Anybody else not miss him though? I much prefer Jamison starting, and I much prefer Hill getting the backup minutes for Dwight, both guys hustle more than Pau.




Exactly what I'm thinking. I think if you bring back a nice big along with a LEGIT back up PG...or you bring a big, an athletic 3 that can also play the 4, and a back up PG, thats a damn good package. Jamison/Hill can more than hold down the fort at the 4 spot. We really should have won the Houston game too....and i dont think pau playing would have helped us win that game.
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Postby gill on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:31 pm

Gasol for Bargnani/Calderon


As much as I want to :hurl: at the thought of Bargs in P&G, unfortunately, that's the one I see that's more realistic. Just be prepared to experience another level of softness.

As far as missing him, honestly... no. 4th quarter issues aside Jamison and Hill are playing decent getting some burn with Dwight.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:39 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:
Weezy wrote:If we keep Pau we keep Pau, oh well, maybe Nash can help him.

Anybody else not miss him though? I much prefer Jamison starting, and I much prefer Hill getting the backup minutes for Dwight, both guys hustle more than Pau.




Exactly what I'm thinking. I think if you bring back a nice big along with a LEGIT back up PG...or you bring a big, an athletic 3 that can also play the 4, and a back up PG, thats a damn good package. Jamison/Hill can more than hold down the fort at the 4 spot. We really should have won the Houston game too....and i dont think pau playing would have helped us win that game.


whats wrong with Duhon? he seems good enough to be the backup at this point. Anderson is an option but not directly IMO, if say we can get a team like Minn involved who would give up young assest like Dwill/picks for Pau, the Minn package can go to NOH for Anderson.
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Postby The Rock on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:45 pm

I have a feeling Hill might be moved to address whatever need we have. Pau and Dwight consume all minutes at C and Pau/Jamison consume all minutes at PF.
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Postby Weezy on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:57 pm

The Rock wrote:I have a feeling Hill might be moved to address whatever need we have. Pau and Dwight consume all minutes at C and Pau/Jamison consume all minutes at PF.


I really hope you're wrong, because that would be an idiotic move to make. Hill is relatively cheap, you're not going to find a better player or players for that price, he hustles, he boards, he plays defense, and can score some on top of it. They will just have to find minutes for him, he should be Dwight's permanent backup and Pau should only play the starting 4, or the backup center, not both.
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Postby GoldHammish on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:01 pm

The Rock wrote:I have a feeling Hill might be moved to address whatever need we have. Pau and Dwight consume all minutes at C and Pau/Jamison consume all minutes at PF.

But IF it ends up that Pau does get moved, Hill is as good as it gets for a backup C. And counting on just 3 guys for the front court rotation all season long is risky. One injury and we'd be screwed.
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Postby lakerzkb8 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:52 pm

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lakerzkb8 wrote:I dont live in LA anymore, but man the disrespect Laker fans show to their players sometimes. You guys literally run people out of town if they arent giving you want you want. After Kobe retires I can see myself turning into just a casual NBA fan the way I am with the NFL. Not down with fans who are spoiled and feel their entitled to everything.

ANYWAY. Whatever happens with Pau I hope he comes back to form soon and shuts everyone up. Either that or goes somewhere where hes respected a little more. Guy brought us back into contention after a few painful years of mediocrity and this is how we thank him. We run him out of town. Our leader disrespects him and says put your big boy pants on ( kobe should put play some defense and accept some responsibility too but all i ever hear him say is im still a bad muthaeffer....ok kobe.). Fans nickname him Gasoft. :man10: . Lame. Hes not the only person on this roster who needs to step his game up. Theres no justification to belittling a player on OUR team. Dont give me the hes being paid this that and a third talk. The contract is what it is.


Oh boy, more preaching about what bad fans we are, first we needed to leave poor Mike Brown alone, now we should be nicer to the guy making 19 million dollars a year to play basketball that's playing like he's satisfied with his career as is. You keep on hoping he returns to form, we've all been waiting since the 2011 playoffs for him to return to form, pretty much a year and a half, we're into a 3rd season of waiting for him to return to form. So yeah, good luck with that waiting and hoping. LA and it's spoiled, disrespectful fans expect more, that's just how it is.

lakerzkb8 wrote:As fans its our job to help team/player morale not make things worse.


No, it's not. Nowhere did I read that in my job description as fan when I took the job, and I'm pretty tired of being told how to be a fan. You be a fan your way, I'll be one my way. Nice that you have some perspective having left LA though, I guess it's a bad town that makes you spoiled and ungrateful or something. Not sure how that applies to me in the OC in Anaheim, or fans in Hawaii, or Spain, or Agentina, or Poland, or many of the other countries represented here that voice their opinions on Pau just as strongly.



Anaheim is SoCal its not Canada. Laker town, still. lol at those other countries you brought up, whats your sample size 6, and all CL posters? Go anywhere else, Laker fans are basically labelled as snobby. Hell go on any NBA forum. Same can be said about other teams though. Im just not down to be a that kind of fan after this Kobe-era.

Dont give a crap about Mike Brown dont put words in my mouth, he did nothing for the Lakers whereas Pau has therefore deserves some support. Im not telling you how to be a fan im teaching you common sense. You root for your players :man10: . Forget the salaries, lets pretend its a pick up game and a dude on your team is in a slump with achy knees. Yes, players other then kobe get injured and play through pain effecting their performance. Do you demoralize him or root him on? Done.

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Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:59 pm

Weezy wrote:
The Rock wrote:I have a feeling Hill might be moved to address whatever need we have. Pau and Dwight consume all minutes at C and Pau/Jamison consume all minutes at PF.


I really hope you're wrong, because that would be an idiotic move to make. Hill is relatively cheap, you're not going to find a better player or players for that price, he hustles, he boards, he plays defense, and can score some on top of it. They will just have to find minutes for him, he should be Dwight's permanent backup and Pau should only play the starting 4, or the backup center, not both.


agreed....compare Hills production/mins to a guy like Humphries and then look at their contracts :man10:
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:06 pm

Punk-101 wrote:Can we stop the Pau for Anderson rumors now? Dude is Kevin Love-lite. No way NOH parts with him, IMO.


Still can't understand why Orlando did.....
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Postby Weezy on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:30 pm

lakerzkb8 wrote:
Weezy wrote:
lakerzkb8 wrote:I dont live in LA anymore, but man the disrespect Laker fans show to their players sometimes. You guys literally run people out of town if they arent giving you want you want. After Kobe retires I can see myself turning into just a casual NBA fan the way I am with the NFL. Not down with fans who are spoiled and feel their entitled to everything.

ANYWAY. Whatever happens with Pau I hope he comes back to form soon and shuts everyone up. Either that or goes somewhere where hes respected a little more. Guy brought us back into contention after a few painful years of mediocrity and this is how we thank him. We run him out of town. Our leader disrespects him and says put your big boy pants on ( kobe should put play some defense and accept some responsibility too but all i ever hear him say is im still a bad muthaeffer....ok kobe.). Fans nickname him Gasoft. :man10: . Lame. Hes not the only person on this roster who needs to step his game up. Theres no justification to belittling a player on OUR team. Dont give me the hes being paid this that and a third talk. The contract is what it is.


Oh boy, more preaching about what bad fans we are, first we needed to leave poor Mike Brown alone, now we should be nicer to the guy making 19 million dollars a year to play basketball that's playing like he's satisfied with his career as is. You keep on hoping he returns to form, we've all been waiting since the 2011 playoffs for him to return to form, pretty much a year and a half, we're into a 3rd season of waiting for him to return to form. So yeah, good luck with that waiting and hoping. LA and it's spoiled, disrespectful fans expect more, that's just how it is.

lakerzkb8 wrote:As fans its our job to help team/player morale not make things worse.


No, it's not. Nowhere did I read that in my job description as fan when I took the job, and I'm pretty tired of being told how to be a fan. You be a fan your way, I'll be one my way. Nice that you have some perspective having left LA though, I guess it's a bad town that makes you spoiled and ungrateful or something. Not sure how that applies to me in the OC in Anaheim, or fans in Hawaii, or Spain, or Agentina, or Poland, or many of the other countries represented here that voice their opinions on Pau just as strongly.



Anaheim is SoCal its not Canada. Laker town, still. lol at those other countries you brought up, whats your sample size 6, and all CL posters? Go anywhere else, Laker fans are basically labelled as snobby. Hell go on any NBA forum. Same can be said about other teams though. Im just not down to be a that kind of fan after this Kobe-era.

Dont give a crap about Mike Brown dont put words in my mouth, he did nothing for the Lakers whereas Pau has therefore deserves some support. Im not telling you how to be a fan im teaching you common sense. You root for your players :man10: . Forget the salaries, lets pretend its a pick up game and a dude on your team is in a slump with achy knees. Yes, players other then kobe get injured and play through pain effecting their performance. Do you demoralize him or root him on? Done.

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All I'm saying is, I (or anyone else here) don't need to be preached to about how to be a fan. It's nice to know that you're out of LA now and above it all and therefore a better fan or something, thanks for the common sense lesson. Anaheim is not LA, people from my area are usually the people at Laker games in the nosebleeds cheering on the team as much or more than anyone, we're not rich, entitled fans. I'm not saying LA fans are lesser fans, just different, and certainly not all of LA as with anywhere else there are rich and poor areas in LA. I guess you're not one of us now or something though as you keep referring Laker fans in LA as "you guys", I guess you're a Kobe first fan as you pointed out, so enjoy picking a new team when he's gone I suppose.

As for Pau, I root for him to do well, he's a Laker and if he does well we do well, but we have rooted for him, and backed him, and stood up for him for a few years of poor play now. We have supported him plenty throughout the years, I don't believe any player is above eventual harsh criticism if their play continues to take a dive as long as Pau's has, even Kobe would not get a lifetime pass. Plus you speak of sample sizes when I bring up the people here from different countries, yet you're referring to the entire board as a group here as bashing Pau. So a sample size of maybe 50-100 regular posters, not even all of which are down on Pau, represents all of LA fans or something?

As a fan, you don't have to sit back and take bad play just because a guy is on your team, you don't have to love the player just because. I highly doubt you've loved every player to ever put on a Laker uniform, if you say you have I'd have a hard time believing you. And like I told the last guy, the guy I was referring to about leaving poor Mike Brown alone, this is a freakin message board, it's for venting as much as anything. I don't go around in real life calling our players names and such, but that's part of what this place is for to me, if you don't like it, you can easily ignore it, again, I don't need to be preached to about how to be a fan. Lastly, as far as what fans of other teams say about us, I couldn't give less of a crap. We're used to winning and we expect it, most of them are not and do not, so oh well.
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Postby JamrockLakaFan on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:02 pm

If that Nash wanted to play with gasol is true - that would have been before we got dwight. Having dwight might soften losen gasol is nash eyes.
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