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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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No
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Maybe (explain)
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:07 pm

Ariza3 wrote:I dont want to trade Pau. I really think he'll come around being healthy and playing with Nash. Also with Jamison backing him up playing major minutes he should be fresh for the playoffs.

Timberwolves' trade is interesting but not what we need. DWill has good upside but thats it...we've yet to see him be as consistent as Pau at least. Pekovic is a good center imo and would be great behind Dwight on both ends and especially rebounding. BUT we already have Hill who i would rather play since were already paying him and know exactly what he'll bring every second hes on the floor for us.

I think Rapters' trade would make the most sense as you get Calderon who would be GREAT behind Nash. I like Duhon so idk but i think it would be a smart move. Bargnani although i think isnt as good as Pau. Not as good as a shooter, rebounder, or passer...hes just younger. Pretty much the trade would be for Calderon who has been playing well this year so far.

Calderon: 9.8/7.1 (42.9% FG , 47.2% 3PT) 2.0 TOPG

Guess we'll have to wait and see til after Pau and Nash are 100% and play together until anymore trade talks


Think hard about what Pau hasn't been able to do this year and last..... now think of Nash's strengths.... The two do not mesh in a way that makes Pau a better defender, make decisions on the offensive end or make Pau stronger to play the post again etc.

I believe this is cover for no one wanting the gigantic boat anchor that is Pau Gasol these days. The only potential destination that makes some sense is Minn. because they can open marketing avenues with both of the top 2 Spanish names in the NBA.

If we trade Pau it will be for players that have huge contracts that are disappointing as Pau is or it will be for a bunch of marginally talented players that don't fit with their current team. The days of trading him for an impact player are gone unless Mitch has got photos of some GM in Bangkok brothel..... :man12:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby 432J on Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:28 pm

if nash comes back and pau still isn't working out they better take that toronto offer of bargnani and calderon

just imagine calderon backing up nash
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and bargnani would fit perfectly in this offense since he can shoot the 3 ball, he can be what channing frye was to the suns a few years back. but i do agree with not trading pau until nash is back and we can finally see what these guys can do together
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:35 pm

As much as I like Pek, our team isn't good enough to be worrying about getting a backup for our C who plays 36 MPG. I would think we'd be able to flip him for a very good SF to send Ron to the bench. I know people think we need a Ryan Anderson but give me a solid starting SF next to Jamison with Ron backing up both positions. I don't ever see Dwill2 being a star in this league so I would rather see Ron getting those minutes with the season he's having. Ship Dwill2 out for more pieces that fit(solid backup PG)
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Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:43 pm

I don't see us beating the Heat or Thunder with a player like Bargnani or D Williams
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby Armani on Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:03 pm

I have faith in Mitch... if he trades Pau, he will get us very good value back. He thinks he can do better than Bargnani or Williams... I don't mind holding on to Pau longer.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby hollywood swinger on Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:39 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:nikola pekovic? :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10: trash!!! khan trying to fleece mitch. not gonna happen t-puppies :disagree:


Don't watch many T-Wolves games huh?....

Pek is a blue collar, don't need touches to be effective type of player that we desperately need. Nash made Gortat very effective and these two are very similar players.

Getting Williams in the deal would put some desperately needed youth on this team that actually belongs in the NBA as well.

I don't have the NBA salaries page bookmarked like a lot here do.... do these two combined even come close to what Pau is making? I thought any trade of Pau would need to bring back nearly 20 million in salaries. Williams is on a Rookie deal (5 Mill or so) and Pek can't be making much more than that so it would seem that we'd be 10 million short or so on this from a financial standpoint.


yea and people are complaining that pau is too slow & non explosive for this team. pek is a slow 'bulldozer". that guy is a slug and doesn't fit the system either. why in the hell would the front office take back a in paint only big like pek who is putting up good numbers on a suck team? yea he looks good next to kevin love but this just in we don't have k. love on our roster.


He looks a hell of a lot better next K. Love than Pau does next to Howard. Pek could be Howard's back-up allowing Jamison to start. Williams (others would be needed to make the salaries even close) would be the first young player in forever we had that actually has NBA level talent.

I'd take this deal with a "plodding" player that understands fundamental basketball over any deal involving a dunce like Josh Smith who can dunk and little else. Athletic ability has little to do with being a good basketball player.


getting dwight a backup isn't our problem.hell if that was the case we can just move pau to the bench and let him backup dwight. pau is a better backup C than nikola pek the unstoppable bulldozer :man10:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (out indefinitely for now, d2d p.222)

Postby timothy on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:11 pm

looks like raptors placed andrea, jose, and linas on the table. . wolves inquired as well:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... --nba.html
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:09 am

Posters got the MDA disease and only think about offense ... Bargnani and Calderon :man10:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby WilliamHaven on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:35 am

both of those deals are awful.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:46 am

WilliamHaven wrote:Pau is awful.


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby escobar8 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:02 am

i even proposed some time ago..trade with tor...calderon,linas and amir johnson...couse i thought bargnani is out of reach...
but if we can get bargnani+calderon+fillers...thats no brainer...
bargnani sucks at D,but so is gasol...but atleast he is deadeye shooter compared to pau and he can knock 3...
his true defenition of strech 4...hill and howard would pick up pau's rebounds...plus we get similar player to nash...who can shoot and pass ball perfectly with out making many TO...plus we could rest nash more...
maybe even give him off on back to back and the team wouldnt suffer to much...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby LooN3y on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:36 am

im a sucker for change, and i want to give pau another chance.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby Murdock on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:12 am

Lamarcus Aldridge ... only player i am interested in for Gasol ... pipe dream but we need shooter and decent athlete
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:02 am

Bargnani is not better than Pau as a player but it's close right now and the biggest factor $10M>$19M and Calderon is 10M expiring
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby escobar8 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:31 am

people should stop dreaming and overrating pau...
if we trade him we wont get..love,lma,griffin,dirk...etc...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby SK8 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:20 am

escobar8 wrote:people should stop dreaming and overrating pau...
if we trade him we wont get..love,lma,griffin,dirk...etc...


Yeah you are absolutely wright! Fans here think that we can get some awesome deals, come on now, we are talking about Pau, dude is DONE, 32 years, 19$ contract, that's crazy.
I would be very very happy if we can get some decent players that can fit and play D, and i'm OK. But big lol@ some trade ideas here.
Pau is not that good, 2-3-4 years earlier, MAYBE, now, no WAY!
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby dane99 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:34 am

Uncle Drew wrote:
escobar8 wrote:people should stop dreaming and overrating pau...
if we trade him we wont get..love,lma,griffin,dirk...etc...


Yeah you are absolutely wright! Fans here think that we can get some awesome deals, come on now, we are talking about Pau, dude is DONE, 32 years, 19$ contract, that's crazy.
I would be very very happy if we can get some decent players that can fit and play D, and i'm OK. But big lol@ some trade ideas here.
Pau is not that good, 2-3-4 years earlier, MAYBE, now, no WAY!

hey lets us not forget how valuable a big expiring contract is. remember what kwames expiring contract got us? and remember what a trade exception got us. for a rebuilding team like Toronto 19mil expiring is a big deal.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:37 am

Quite frankly, if we're trading Pau, is it too much too ask to get players that actually can show some effort on defense. Although, I know Pau's stock has dropped, I don't want to excerbate our problems by acquiring players in a trade that can't play defense & rebound.

Ultimately, those two things you need; we're already struggling on defense, why make it worse with personnel that shows no energy on that end? It makes no sense. Has Pau been bad defensively? Sure. However, it doesn't mean to trade him for players that are worse in that area.

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby Center Court on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:27 am

Bargnani... ugh. People are so worried about shooting they are forgetting D. Andrea makes Pau look like Mike Tyson. No thanks.

IMO when Pau's knees heal up and bit and nash comes back, he'll fit much better. Not dominant, but much better. Personally, I think trading J Hill is the move to make. Let's say for Aaron Brooks or Sesh or some PG that is very quick and can get buckets which'll open things up for the other bench guys. Then sign Martin

Dwight (36)/Pau(12)
Pau (20)/Jamison (28)/Martin

much better balance and maximizes all players in the rotation.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:57 am

lol sessions? please, dude CHOSE to leave the team with his player option, and he totally choked in the playoffs.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby abeer3 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:05 am

to get what the lakers need in return, i'm guessing a multi-team deal would be required. i think derrick williams is the kind of player who is ripe for a reclamation project. he needs to play the 4 (instead of the 3), and that's where a guy like dantoni would use him. he's slightly undersized, but his mobility on d should be helpful. besides, what team other than memphis can punish you for not having two competent low post defenders in your starting lineup?

i agree with others than pekovic would be underused in la, both due to minutes and poor fit with the style of play they're trying to commit to. but he could certainly be re-routed somewhere for a player or two who could help (or some draft picks).

my first choice is to keep pau, but both of those offers seem pretty close to what will be his ultimate market value.

in truth, we all knew the day was coming as soon as the new cba was signed: you can't afford three max players, especially when one of them makes 30 per. it's just a matter of when.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby WilliamHaven on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:07 pm

Bargnani is not exactly a dead eye shooter. He's had like 2-3 good three point shooting years...last of which was 2010. And it's certainly not because he is lacking shot attempts.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby WilliamHaven on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:09 pm

16 points per game on 16 shots per game = not good shooting
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:30 pm

pau sitting out again. hopefully jamison can keep ibaka in check by raining jumpshots.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Raptors, TWolves want Pau - p230

Postby LOL on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:38 pm

i thik we are underestimating mitch. i know base on our mortal views we cant get much for pau. but mitch is mitch.i heard he once convinced a man to trade a 5dollar for his 1dollar.
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