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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:27 pm

Thing actually can't get worse from here :man10: . We've lost to Cleveland and Orlando, two of the worst teams in the league. We haven't won since, what? New Orleans? This team is playing as bad as they can possibly play right now.

And running the offense through Pau just doesn't work for us anymore. He's just not aggressive down there. If he were the Pau from two years ago, then for sure we would do that, but he's not.
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Postby blinkme28 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:32 pm

therealdeal wrote:Thing actually can't get worse from here :man10: . We've lost to Cleveland and Orlando, two of the worst teams in the league. We haven't won since, what? New Orleans? This team is playing as bad as they can possibly play right now.

And running the offense through Pau just doesn't work for us anymore. He's just not aggressive down there. If he were the Pau from two years ago, then for sure we would do that, but he's not.


Last season he really didn't get a chance to play in the post. MB gave way to Bynum. Sure Pau sucked in the Playoffs in 2011 but his season was decent. I think he will still do better if we let him run the offense from the post. He can work for himself or he can pass to cutters. The guy hasn't lost his passing and we really don't know if he lost his post moves becaus he hasn't played there since 2011
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Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:33 pm

yep, I agree with trd....its comical people still believe in the effectiveness of Pau in the post. He cant even post up smaller, shorter players then him. Look at last year when he played with the 2nd unit, he doens't even try to post up. This year we saw mutliple times where he tried to post and he couldn't even get any movement in terms of backing down his man, instead we see him taking fade away jump shots over guys like Diaw, Faried, etc.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:34 pm

blinkme28 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Thing actually can't get worse from here :man10: . We've lost to Cleveland and Orlando, two of the worst teams in the league. We haven't won since, what? New Orleans? This team is playing as bad as they can possibly play right now.

And running the offense through Pau just doesn't work for us anymore. He's just not aggressive down there. If he were the Pau from two years ago, then for sure we would do that, but he's not.


Last season he really didn't get a chance to play in the post. MB gave way to Bynum. Sure Pau sucked in the Playoffs in 2011 but his season was decent. I think he will still do better if we let him run the offense from the post. He can work for himself or he can pass to cutters. The guy hasn't lost his passing and we really don't know if he lost his post moves becaus he hasn't played there since 2011


he hasn't lost his post moves he just can't backup his man and again stop with the BS with MB giving Bynum all of the paint because Pau didn't post up either with the 2nd unit :bang:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby blinkme28 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:38 pm

How is he supposed post up with Bynum in the paint MB was a "yes"man to jimmy. That's what got him hired in the first place. If Pau was still in the post Bynum wouldn't have been an all star Pau would've been.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:41 pm

blinkme28 wrote:How is he supposed post up with Bynum in the paint MB was a "yes"man to jimmy. That's what got him hired in the first place. If Pau was still in the post Bynum wouldn't have been an all star Pau would've been.


uh hello, I said he DIDN"T post up much either when he played with the 2nd unit AFTER Bynum sat and he was playing C :bang:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:51 pm

blinkme28 wrote:How is he supposed post up with Bynum in the paint MB was a "yes"man to jimmy. That's what got him hired in the first place. If Pau was still in the post Bynum wouldn't have been an all star Pau would've been.

The fact is Pau doesn't try to post up as much as he used to. Even when given the opportunity. And when he does post up, it's largely ineffective.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:48 pm

therealdeal wrote:Thing actually can't get worse from here :man10: . We've lost to Cleveland and Orlando, two of the worst teams in the league. We haven't won since, what? New Orleans? This team is playing as bad as they can possibly play right now.

And running the offense through Pau just doesn't work for us anymore. He's just not aggressive down there. If he were the Pau from two years ago, then for sure we would do that, but he's not.

Actually it can get worse....we play Washington on Friday. Please don't tempt the sports gods :man5:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby John3:16 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:56 pm

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:Actually it can get worse....we play Washington on Friday. Please don't tempt the sports gods :man5:


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:00 pm

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Thing actually can't get worse from here :man10: . We've lost to Cleveland and Orlando, two of the worst teams in the league. We haven't won since, what? New Orleans? This team is playing as bad as they can possibly play right now.

And running the offense through Pau just doesn't work for us anymore. He's just not aggressive down there. If he were the Pau from two years ago, then for sure we would do that, but he's not.

Actually it can get worse....we play Washington on Friday. Please don't tempt the sports gods :man5:

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:33 pm

khmrP wrote:playing Pau in the post for him to be effective is a good idea but that was 2-3yrs ago...todays Pau shoots fadeaways over 6 9' guys like Diaw....come on now.


Because that's what he has been doing, spreading the floor, he rarely is in the post & when he is he fades because he backs out rather than attack inside.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby jlkr on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:34 pm

Speaking of how Pau doesn't post with the alacrity he used to: it may be that the tendinitis is affecting him much more than he lets on. He's been playing almost continuously since he was traded to the Lakers in 2008. Look at how much he's played since that trade:

2008 Finals, Olympics,
2009 Finals, Eurobasket
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2011 playoffs 2nd round, Eurobasket
2012 playoffs 2nd round, Olympics

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2001, 2003, 2007, 2009 and the 2011 Eurobasket tournaments.
2004, 2008 and 2012 Olympics
2002, 2006 and 2010 World Championships

Only summer he's taken off was 2005 to rehab his knee injury that year. Since 2008, he's added to his wear & tear with 3 consecutive Finals appearances followed by 2 2nd round exits.

I say it's finally catching up with him.

He needs to rest now. He should not come back until Nash comes back. Then his minutes should be strictly limited for the rest of the season. He needs to take the summer off.
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Postby easyguy on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:07 pm

jlkr wrote:He needs to rest now. He should not come back until Nash comes back. Then his minutes should be strictly limited for the rest of the season. He needs to take the summer off.



I agree. Let him get rid of the tendonitis and see what he can do when he gets back. No more excuse, no more finger pointing either way.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:30 pm

therealdeal wrote:Okay...

1. Magic is right. Pau needs to be closer to the basket because he's a Center now and not a Power Forward. That's why we have to trade Pau and move on. He's not giving us what we hoped he would and we have a far, far greater option at Center as it is with Howard. Time to part ways.

2. Love for Pau would be ungodly :man10: talk about vetoes. No way that happens. Love would be the absolute perfect fit for this team: outside shooting, nothing but hard work and rebounding, not fast but runs the floor, and he's a young hometown kid looking to make a name for himself. He'd be the absolute perfect fit next to Dwight Howard.

But no way that happens. Kahn would have to be the world's biggest idiot to throw away Love for Gasol when there's BOUND to be much greater offers somewhere. Adelman and Kahn would have to have an unhealthy yearning for Gasol to make that happen... then again Kahn is one of the dumbest executives in the NBA so crazier things could happen.


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Postby Ariza3 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:46 pm

Love is very unhappy with his front office and the way they've been doing things for a couple years. He's publicly said if they dont make the playoffs and do well in them that he could leave. It probably wont happen this season, but if there is a team that could trade for Love it would be the lakers. They like Rubio + Pau together and if Pau performs well this season with Nash they might take him for Love.

Def not this season but it could happen down the road depending on the Timberwolves FO and they're season's success.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:58 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Love is very unhappy with his front office and the way they've been doing things for a couple years. He's publicly said if they dont make the playoffs and do well in them that he could leave. It probably wont happen this season, but if there is a team that could trade for Love it would be the lakers. They like Rubio + Pau together and if Pau performs well this season with Nash they might take him for Love.

Def not this season but it could happen down the road depending on the Timberwolves FO and they're season's success.


Minn would have to miss the playoffs and miss it badly with fingers pointed at Love before he iniates the trade request.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Not playing tonight - p233

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:03 pm

khmrP wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:Love is very unhappy with his front office and the way they've been doing things for a couple years. He's publicly said if they dont make the playoffs and do well in them that he could leave. It probably wont happen this season, but if there is a team that could trade for Love it would be the lakers. They like Rubio + Pau together and if Pau performs well this season with Nash they might take him for Love.

Def not this season but it could happen down the road depending on the Timberwolves FO and they're season's success.


Minn would have to miss the playoffs and miss it badly with fingers pointed at Love before he iniates the trade request.


IDK. I really think Minn wants to pair Rubio Love and Pau together...which would be awesome. But Love is NOT happy at all there right now and hasnt been. I think it would be tough and unlikely but if things dont go well and no more talent is brought in then he might behind the scenes and not be so public like Dwight about it maybe. We as lakers can hope Mitch can pull it off next season for a Love/Dwight future when Kobe and Nash are gone
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Postby lAKERfaNaticKID on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:40 pm

Millsap for gasol rumor ? Anyone heard of this..
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Postby Lakerman JSJ on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:50 pm

lAKERfaNaticKID wrote:Millsap for gasol rumor ? Anyone heard of this..


I don't think it's anything more than an idea from an ESPN writer:

Why a Millsap-Gasol trade works
It may take a blockbuster three-team deal, but Millsap makes a good fit in L.A.

Updated: December 12, 2012, 1:44 PM ET
By Tom Haberstroh

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If Paul Millsap isn't trying to audition for a Hollywood role, he sure does look the part.

We've heard all sorts of names connected to the Lakers in possible trade talks for Pau Gasol, including Toronto Raptors 7-footer Andrea Bargnani, Atlanta Hawks forward Josh Smith, Denver Nuggets forward Danilo Gallinari, Minnesota Timberwolves forward Derrick Williams and Milwaukee Bucks forward Ersan Ilyasova.

But one name that should pop up more is Millsap, the Utah Jazz big man. There are a few reasons Millsap probably doesn't garner the attention of a player his caliber: 1) He plays in a small market; 2) he's stuck in a logjam of big men in Utah with varying degrees of upside and productivity; and 3) he doesn't have a flashy game (he dunks about once every three games).

However, Millsap makes a lot of sense as a trade target for the madly inconsistent Lakers. For one, he's healthy, which is no small thing considering the Lakers' bench looks increasingly like a hospital waiting room (and Bargnani just went down with an elbow injury). Secondly, Millsap's an efficient player who plays both ends of the floor. Here's a short list of players who have shot more than 50 percent from the floor while tallying at least 2,500 points, 1,000 rebounds and 200 steals over the past three seasons: LeBron James, Dwight Howard and, yep, Millsap.

Here's a look at the positive and negative aspects of Millsap's potential move to the Lakers -- as well as a blockbuster three-team deal that would likely work for all clubs involved.

Millsap's candidacy
What's more, Millsap's contract couldn't be more attractive in trade talks with the Lakers. Millsap makes only $8 million this season and his contract expires at season's end, which is hugely important for a Lakers franchise that has made it known they want to stay flexible for a loaded free-agent class in the summer of 2014 when Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony and other stars can become free agents.

In Millsap, the Lakers could get a trial period on an All-Star-caliber player and decide if they want to keep him long term. The same can't be said for Gallinari, Bargnani or Ilyasova, all of whom are currently locked in multiyear deals that extend past 2014. If Millsap doesn't work out, the Lakers can cut bait and look elsewhere. (And good luck trying to trade Ilyasova and the $24 million remaining on his contract through 2016-17 if Mike D'Antoni can't fix his jumper.)

Defensively, Millsap can cure many of the Lakers' ills. As Antawn Jamison continues to play possum on that end of the floor, the Lakers desperately need a help defender who doesn't leave Howard out to dry every time down the court. Millsap isn't an all-world defender, but with mobility at 6-foot-8, he can hold his own as a small forward defender and has the girth to play in the paint. What separates Millsap from most power forwards is his nose for the ball; he ranked fourth in the NBA last season in steals per game, thanks in part to his freakishly long arms.

But the real reason Millsap provides an intriguing option for the Lakers is his blossoming 3-point game. If a big man wants to make bank in this league, there's no better way than to become a reliable 3-point shooter. And in a contract season, Millsap is trying to do just that. After essentially ignoring the 3-point shot for most of his career, the Louisiana Tech product is now taking about one 3-pointer per game and nailing them at a 47.8 percent clip. Not a bad start.

It's too early to tell whether Millsap's 3-point shot is legitimate, but he's always been a strong candidate to stretch beyond the arc simply because he's already armed with a good midrange jumper. The Lakers aren't going to be able to lure a Kevin Love-type stretch 4 with Gasol's trade value in free fall, so finding a 3-point shooter who's waiting to break out may be their best option. Millsap fits the mold.

The hitch
But here's the problem with a potential deal with the Lakers: The last thing the Jazz need is another center. Millsap could be expendable for the Jazz because they already have a blooming power forward in Derrick Favors waiting in the wings, but the Jazz are overweight at the 5 as is with Enes Kanter and Al Jefferson fighting for big-time minutes. At Gasol's price of $38 million over the next two seasons, the Jazz would likely scoff at any phone call from Mitch Kupchak about a trade scenario.

But what if Kupchak brings a third team into the mix? The Jazz are ripe for a blockbuster deal because they are absolutely stacked with talent in their frontcourt. They boast a near-All-Star player in Millsap, one of the best post scorers in Jefferson, one of the best young defenders in Favors and an utterly tantalizing prospect in Kanter. Ever since the Jazz picked Kanter in 2011, folks around the league have been wondering when they'll pull the trigger to get some backcourt help.

One possible trade partner to watch? The Charlotte Bobcats. After a fun start to the season, the Bobcats have a painfully lopsided roster with an intriguing, if overachieving, backcourt, and an absolutely anemic frontcourt. In this sense, the Bobcats are the anti-Jazz. Sounds like a match made in Trade Machine heaven.

The deal
Here's the framework of a deal (Note: Players are paired with the years left on their contracts and 2012-13 salary):

Lakers receive: Millsap (1, $8M) Mo Williams (1, $8.5M), DeSagana Diop (1, $7.4M), Raja Bell (1, $3.5M)

Jazz receive: Gasol (2, $19M), Kemba Walker (3, $2.5M), Ben Gordon (2, $12.4M), Earl Clark (1, $1.2M)

Bobcats receive: Jefferson (1, $15M), Kanter (3, $4.5M), Chris Duhon (2, $3.5M), Darius Johnson-Odom (1, $0.5M)

You can see why the Bobcats might be interested. Charlotte would land two paint scorers, one for now and one for later. Jefferson fits perfectly as a scorer next to defensive-inclined Bismack Biyombo, and the Bobcats would receive a fascinating big-man prospect in Kanter, a 20-year-old who's averaging 15 points and nine rebounds every 36 minutes on 53 percent shooting. Even better, they finally get to unload Diop's contract.

If the Bobcats end up having to dangle the sizzling but undersized Walker to find frontcourt help, they could do much worse than Ramon Sessions. Sessions may be struggling with his shot, but as a 26-year-old with an 18 player efficiency rating, he can be a healthy stopgap at the 1 while Kanter and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist develop. And hey, Duhon could at least put a few more Duke fans in the seats.

The Lakers would get what they need: a borderline All-Star power forward who can stretch the floor and a point guard (Mo Williams) to steer the offense until Steve Nash takes the wheel. The most appetizing part of this deal is the lack of long-term commitment. All four of the players in this deal have contracts that expire at the end of the season.

And the Jazz? They would finally land a young stud point guard to fill the void left long ago by Deron Williams. Not only that, they finally clear room for Favors to blossom into a franchise centerpiece. In the short term, it works as well. Though a Walker, Gordon, Marvin Williams, Favors and Gasol lineup isn't a lock for the playoffs, neither is the status quo.

Whether this deal would work out for Utah all depends on Gasol's health, though it's worth remembering that cap space is somewhat overrated in a small market like Utah. If Millsap, Jefferson and Williams leave this summer and take their talents to bigger markets, no one's itching to sign on the dotted line to play in Salt Lake. Instead, they could leverage their expiring deals to reel in All-Star talent for the foreseeable future. Gasol and Walker (potentially) give them that.

This is just one of a gazillion potential deals that could go down between now and the trade deadline. But if you're unfamiliar with Millsap's talents now, you won't be if he's soon starring in Los Angeles.


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Intriguing, though. I'm a fan of Millsap. Also, his contract is up after this season, so he doesn't interfere at this point with the Lakers' "cap space after next season" plan.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (p. 237: Swap for Millsap a Good Idea?)

Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:01 pm

Millsaps and Mo Williams make that deal right there ...Imagine having Mo run with the second unit. He would be the best bench player and play a Jason Terry type role.

It's pipe though. Too many moving parts.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (p. 237: Swap for Millsap a Good Idea?)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:04 pm

I read that and that trade is :what: :what:

Utah gives up Millsap / Jefferson / Kanter / Mo Williams for Pau/Kemba/Gordon......
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Postby last stand on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:15 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I read that and that trade is :what: :what:

Utah gives up Millsap / Jefferson / Kanter / Mo Williams for Pau/Kemba/Gordon......


if you take out kanter that's actually a really good deal for the jazz. the team it makes no sense for is charlotte. why give up a player with potential for a couple bigs.

if your utah you'd pick up the phone immediately with hopes of landing kemba without kanter. that'd give you

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as building blocks. that's a hell of a set of young talent. but charlotte likely doesn't even think about the deal without kanter, and there in lies the problem.
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Postby lakersin4 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:20 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I read that and that trade is :what: :what:

Utah gives up Millsap / Jefferson / Kanter / Mo Williams for Pau/Kemba/Gordon......

Yeah that writer is worse than some fans with the trade suggestions.. Kanter is the piece that really puts it over the top on the unrealistic scale. If there were other pieces we could send to the LOLcats to make that deal work (like Hill) I'd be all for it. Pau/Duhon/DJO/Hill for Millsap/Bell/Williams. That would be a great deal for us.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion (p. 237: Swap for Millsap a Good Idea?)

Postby S.R.05 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:24 pm

yeah that trade is confusing...he just finishes talking about how kanter has all this potential and needs minutes, then suggests trading him, along with basically their 3 best players, to get an injured and unmotivated gasol + kemba walker and ben gordon? really?

i do like the idea of millsap as a laker i just dont see any way it would work
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