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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Tobias Funke on Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:04 pm

^Well at this point of his career he's even less of a banger, and that may be a good thing as far as prolonging his career. He's a skilled player, and being a little lighter on his feet certainly wouldnt be a bad thing. He can become leaner without losing strength.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby trodgers on Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:04 am

I don't think Pau should be any leaner; he's a pretty tiny dude for a seven footer. His athleticism is pretty poor, too. I don't understand why someone wouldn't look to add muscle and explosiveness, even at his age, as a pro Center.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:15 pm

Pau's never been a "strength" guy.... and you don't suddenly change into one at his age. He is what he is at this point.

His conditioning has been good to great IMO for a big. His issues revolve around that fact that he has a high center of gravity and has little upper body strength. That has only become more apparent as he slows down. Quickness and speed at his position was his advantage and now that isn't there at the same delta as before. That's age related.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:38 pm

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby The Rock on Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:52 pm

^ its the ugly truth. Pau is most likely not returning next year but how will his exit be...via amnesty or trade. Would teams take achance on him and acquire his $19 mil during the draft. $19 mil is a huge expiring what if he finds his game again and gets traded to a contender? Lots of questions to be answered by the Lakers FO regarding Pau
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:00 pm

Though when its Ric Bucher the one that says it, I feel like Pau will end up being a Laker fo life :man11:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby jlkr on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:02 pm

Amnesty for Pau has to be on the table. Only 3 other candidates for amnesty: Kobe, Blake and MWP. Kobe's not happening; Blake and MWP don't have the amnesty bang for the buck that Pau does. But I can see a scenario where trading Pau brings back less salary and they combine that with amnestying Blake or MWP, and that gets the team close to the same effect of dumping Pau into amnesty. Except that they won't have to pay Pau at all. That might be the ideal outcome.

Of Blake and MWP, I think MWP brings more amnesty bang for the buck, but Blake is the more expendable (at the moment). I think under these circumstances that Clark is gone too unless he takes less money to stay. Jordan Hill money, no better than that. Someone offers him MLE, Lakers will not match that.

I think only way Pau stays next year is if he and D12 somehow find the chemistry together and they make it to the Finals. Pigs fly, I know...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:05 pm

This is an anti Laker CBA, it was made to screw us with no exceptions... Rewarding incompetence and punishing excellent management. The trade for Paul was the perfect example... The Lakers FO then knew that Pau was done. They knew that all he wanted from then on was cash his Laker checks and play hard for Spain. Why would they pay 85mil extra for that BS.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:14 pm

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RT @eddieboy16: Do you think the Lakers will try again to trade Pau next season? ---> Yes, around the draft and free agency.


That's the latest I heard, but it shares the same sentiment as Bucher in that Pau is going to be moved one way or another. I would prefer trading him considering the package and hopefully getting something back that can balance our roster out. Nevertheless, if you can't get nothing for him and need the financial flexibility, amnesty him.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby jlkr on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:19 pm

well remember amnesty deadline is in the summer. It's after the draft, iirc.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby earvinfr on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:11 pm

We should never expand any player, Pau game started to disappear just after he got his new contract. Same with Luke and Sasha. I'm joking about not expanding any player, but look at our history on re-signing players and tell how many of them were success ?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Damian Necronamous on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:14 pm

Pau will get dealt for 2-3 younger, athletic players and we're going to amnesty Metta. Book it.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby wallangong on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:17 pm

earvinfr wrote:We should never expand any player, Pau game started to disappear just after he got his new contract. Same with Luke and Sasha. I'm joking about not expanding any player, but look at our history on re-signing players and tell how many of them were success ?


Kobe, Lamar and even Bynum come to mind.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby The Rock on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:17 pm

earvinfr wrote:We should never expand any player, Pau game started to disappear just after he got his new contract. Same with Luke and Sasha. I'm joking about not expanding any player, but look at our history on re-signing players and tell how many of them were success ?


Kobe and Lamar!

But seriously Luke, Sasha, Pau were all paid based on their contributions at the time of the extensions given, they worked hard, they were strong contributors...the Sasha and Pau contracts were understandable but Luke's was just head scratching...6 years wow lol

I really hated the Sasha trade to New Jersey, he was an expiring contract and we gave up our 2011 1st round pick to get Joe Smith who never played. I have no idea why Mitch did that trade
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:25 am

Pau is going to be traded because-
1. money
2. value
3. Dwight
4. D'Antoni
5. money
6. money
7. the league
8. money
9. money
10. money

The one thing that's not on that list: his personality and the person that he is. I love Pau and I wish all that CP3 fiasco never happened because it really facilitated his decline. Not only did we not get one of, if not the, best point guards in the game, but two of our best 3 bigs took a huge mental hit. It's been part of what's killed our chemistry for 3 seasons.

Wherever Pau ends up, they'll be getting a great player and a great person.

But the season isn't over and Pau still has a huge part to play for us in LA.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby ElginTheGreat on Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:34 am

I would be disappointed if we used amnesty on Pau. He is one of the handful of real trade pieces we have right now. I would much rather we use it on Metta.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion:"Life is beyond basketball" (318)

Postby trodgers on Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:36 am

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Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:For the first time since tearing the plantar fascia of his right foot four weeks ago, Lakers forward Pau Gasol received medical clearance Thursday to participate in running drills.

“Discomfort was minimal,” Gasol said on Twitcam. “Very encouraging.”

Gasol traveled with the Lakers’ on their two-game trip to Oklahoma City (Tuesday) and New Orleans (Wednesday) and spent that time working with strength and conditioning coach Tim DiFrancesco on exercises that test his gluteal and neuro muscles. Gasol has missed the past 13 games and is expected to stay sidelined for at least another two to four weeks.


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby NewDynasty on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:00 am

A 19 million dollar expiring is a huge asset to have and i highly doubt lakers amnesty him. Lakers will
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Weezy on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:05 am

You might HAVE to amnesty him if the luxury tax hit is that high and we're not winning a championship to justify it. Still, I'd like to see him traded for much needed pieces before just cutting him loose, as mentioned a 19 mil expiring is huge and could get some good players.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby ElginTheGreat on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:36 pm

Needless to say, Mitch has pulled off a ton of great moves. I can't see him not being able to make something happen with Gasol.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:53 pm

Weezy wrote:You might HAVE to amnesty him if the luxury tax hit is that high and we're not winning a championship to justify it. Still, I'd like to see him traded for much needed pieces before just cutting him loose, as mentioned a 19 mil expiring is huge and could get some good players.

Mitch doesn't have to try that hard to find a package of some young talent for Pau if that's the direction we go in. We're not going to waste the amnesty on him. Especially since he's not just expiring, but he's a talented player with Championship experience.

Metta would be the most difficult to move in my opinion, and would be the primary target for amnesty should we choose to use it.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby karacha on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:00 pm

I agree. Trading him is a much better option, especially if it's for someone who can fit well next to Dwight in the future.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby Weezy on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:59 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Weezy wrote:You might HAVE to amnesty him if the luxury tax hit is that high and we're not winning a championship to justify it. Still, I'd like to see him traded for much needed pieces before just cutting him loose, as mentioned a 19 mil expiring is huge and could get some good players.

Mitch doesn't have to try that hard to find a package of some young talent for Pau if that's the direction we go in. We're not going to waste the amnesty on him. Especially since he's not just expiring, but he's a talented player with Championship experience.

Metta would be the most difficult to move in my opinion, and would be the primary target for amnesty should we choose to use it.


Only reason I say we might have to is because, and forgive me because I'm not that knowledgeable on the salary cap and luxury tax rules, if we trade Pau the players coming back will be making most of what he's making combined. So won't that STILL put us way up there in the huge penalty zone for luxury tax? Yes, Pau's 19 mil contract will be gone, but if we get 3 or 4 guys for him that add up to that much isn't it the same thing, in that our roster is still extremely pricey? Whereas if he's amnestied that money is just gone, off the books, getting us back down to respectable luxury tax levels for now? If we do trade him I have no doubt Mitch can get great pieces for him, if he turned Kwame's expiring into Pau he can certainly turn Pau's expiring into quality players.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:13 pm

You're right, but we don't actually have to take back that much salary if we trade him to a team with cap room. We might not be able to afford it, but some team will be able to. We could trade him to say Detroit and take back nothing. Or trade him to Charlotte and take back maybe 5-10 million. Nine million off the books goes a long way. Especially if you amnesty Peace. Then you're looking at 17 million off the books and missing most of that tax threshold.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: Cleared for running drills (320)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:20 pm

^i venture that Pau will go out for a solid player that makes 8-11 million, and the rest will generate a huge trade exception that will lower our salary by 10 million or so.
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