Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I'll bet my balls, he'll play like Spain NT Pau when he's with another team. I have no doubt about it. He'll have something to prove then.

Here he's been coasting for 3 years, cashing in checks and calling it the day. He's done.

lakersin4 wrote:

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I'll bet my balls, he'll play like Spain NT Pau when he's with another team. I have no doubt about it. He'll have something to prove then.

Here he's been coasting for 3 years, cashing in checks and calling it the day. He's done.

I agree. He's going to go to a new team & play amazing ball.. But barring us bringing Phil back, he's never going to play like that for us again. He doesn't fit with Dwight, but he also seems to need a fresh start. Trading him is inevitable.

lakersin4 wrote:

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I'll bet my balls, he'll play like Spain NT Pau when he's with another team. I have no doubt about it. He'll have something to prove then.

Here he's been coasting for 3 years, cashing in checks and calling it the day. He's done.

I agree. He's going to go to a new team & play amazing ball.. But barring us bringing Phil back, he's never going to play like that for us again. He doesn't fit with Dwight, but he also seems to need a fresh start. Trading him is inevitable.

odom1year wrote:Pau is soft, but he's the most efficient guy of Lakers in offense after he returned.

Doc Brown wrote:

odom1year wrote:Pau is soft, but he's the most efficient guy of Lakers in offense after he returned.

Prove it. Show me the stats and prove it.

GoldenKnight wrote:Cmon guys, cut it with these GTFO comments to a player who we wouldn't have title in 09 & in 10 with. Show some respect at least for the guy. He needs to be moved I agree & his defense is terrible, but don't kick the guy while he's down.

Doc Brown wrote:

odom1year wrote:Pau is soft, but he's the most efficient guy of Lakers in offense after he returned.

Prove it. Show me the stats and prove it.

lotus wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:Cmon guys, cut it with these GTFO comments to a player who we wouldn't have title in 09 & in 10 with. Show some respect at least for the guy. He needs to be moved I agree & his defense is terrible, but don't kick the guy while he's down.

Where the heck does this "sympathy defense" come from whenever someone is tired of Pau? I can't think of another player, except maybe Odom, where people argue he should be kept because his feelings would be hurt, or he's too depressed, or he's down on his luck, etc. Whether those things exist, he still makes his contract money amd therefore he has a responsibility.

432J wrote:someone please explain this to me

how does pau thrive playing alongside a 7 footer in bynum but just fails to produce playing alongside dwight? i just dont understand how this works.

please explain to me in depth about this conundrum

D.B. Cooper wrote:

432J wrote:someone please explain this to me

how does pau thrive playing alongside a 7 footer in bynum but just fails to produce playing alongside dwight? i just dont understand how this works.

please explain to me in depth about this conundrum

What are you talking about, did you even watch the Lakers in 08-11?
Pau and Odom = Finals
Pau and Bynum/ Howard = Mess

D.B. Cooper wrote:

432J wrote:someone please explain this to me

how does pau thrive playing alongside a 7 footer in bynum but just fails to produce playing alongside dwight? i just dont understand how this works.

please explain to me in depth about this conundrum

What are you talking about, did you even watch the Lakers in 08-11?
Pau and Odom = Finals
Pau and Bynum/ Howard = Mess

odom1year wrote:No matter starting or coming out as a bench, he did his job well. At some points, he played worse than last season. It's because the gameplan is completely changed. I couldn't stand with MDA. Besides zero in defense, he simply cannot sort out the issues in offense. For this Lakers, our superior advantage is internal offense. We have D12 and Pau. Arguely the best Twin Towers of the league. What did MDA do in offense ? D12 5 shots a game, Pau shooting 3-ball, no action about a guy shooting 17/54 in last 2 games.

Rooscooter wrote:

Doc Brown wrote:

odom1year wrote:Pau is soft, but he's the most efficient guy of Lakers in offense after he returned.

Prove it. Show me the stats and prove it.

Check his post history..... check his post history...... please.....

Pig Miller wrote:

D.B. Cooper wrote:

432J wrote:someone please explain this to me

how does pau thrive playing alongside a 7 footer in bynum but just fails to produce playing alongside dwight? i just dont understand how this works.

please explain to me in depth about this conundrum

What are you talking about, did you even watch the Lakers in 08-11?
Pau and Odom = Finals
Pau and Bynum/ Howard = Mess

yep exactly.

the guy also thinks that dwight "flat out sucks". if that's the case, hopefully we can move him for reggie evans and call it good.

HANG TIME NEW JERSEY – Mike D’Antoni is right. The Lakers have been much better with only one of their two $19 million big men on the floor than with both of them together.

That was D’Antoni’s explanation when he said before Monday’s game in Chicago that Pau Gasol would be coming off the bench until further notice. And the numbers back D’Antoni up, even after the Lakers lost to the Bulls by 12 in a game in which Gasol and Dwight Howard played just seven minutes together.

Lakers efficiency with Gasol and/or Howard on the floor

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On floor    MIN    OffRtg    DefRtg    NetRtg    +/-
Gasol + Howard    612    102.7    103.5    -0.8    -14
Gasol only    329    110.7    101.0    +9.7    +61
Howard only    736    108.1    100.5    +7.5    +83
One of the two    1,065    108.9    100.7    +8.2    +144

OffRtg = Points scored per 100 possessions
DefRtg = Points allowed per 100 possessions
NetRtg = Point differential per 100 possessions

Offensively, with both Gasol and Howard on the floor, the Lakers have scored at a rate that would rank 12th in the league. With only one of the two on the floor, they’ve scored at a rate that would rank second.

Defensively, with both Gasol and Howard in the game, the Lakers are defending at a rate that would rank 19th in the league. With only one of the two in the game, they’re defending at a rate that would rank ninth.

Overall, with Gasol and Howard on the floor together, the Lakers have the point differential of a 37-win team. With only one of the two on the floor, they have a point differential of a 61-win team.

The question, of course, is why the Lakers can’t play well with two of the best big men in the league on the floor together. And it’s hard not to point at the coach, because things were OK before D’Antoni took over.

Lakers efficiency with Gasol and Howard on the floor together

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Coach    GP    MIN    OffRtg    DefRtg    NetRtg    +/-
Brown    5    135    110.8    95.4    +15.5    +41
Bickerstaff    5    130    105.4    100.8    +4.6    +6
D’Antoni    18    346    98.6    107.7    -9.1    -61

Five games apiece for Mike Brown and Bernie Bickerstaff are small sample sizes, but it’s clear that the Lakers’ early issues weren’t with their bigs. When they got off to a 1-4 start under Brown, the bench was more of a problem.

The big man issues under D’Antoni are on both sides of the ball. Offensively, Gasol is a different player when he’s on the floor with Howard. In those 612 minutes, just 44 percent of his 208 shots have come from the paint. With Howard on the bench, 67 percent of Gasol’s 109 shots have come from the paint.

D’Antoni’s system calls for three shooters around a point guard (who can also shoot) and a pick-and-roll big man. And Gasol can’t space the floor like a true stretch four.

Gasol’s shooting with Howard on and off the floor
Howard on/off FGM FGA FG% %FGA paint
Howard on floor 83 208 39.9% 44.2%
Howard off floor 54 109 49.5% 67.0%

Here’s the thing: Gasol played 5 1/2 seasons with Andrew Bynum. And with Bynum on the floor, Gasol still took 66 percent of his shots from the paint, because Phil Jackson‘s offense allowed for two post players. The Lakers were a very good offensive team with the two bigs on the floor together.

Defensively, the Lakers have breakdowns all over the place this season, mostly with guards Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant. But there’s no clear explanation why they’re much better with only one of the two bigs on the floor. It may be a foot speed issue, and they may just be able to recover better with a smaller, quicker player at the four. Under Jackson, they were better defensively with Lamar Odom at the four than with Bynum and Gasol out there together.

Still, this is all kind of ridiculous. And it’s all too familiar. On the last team D’Antoni coached, he had two guys making about $40 million combined who couldn’t play well together either.

Under D’Antoni, the New York Knicks were a minus-137 and absolutely awful defensively in 1,506 minutes with Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire on the floor together. The coach’s inability to get his two stars on the same page is a big reason he isn’t in New York anymore. Under Mike Woodson, the Knicks are even (plus-0) in 497 minutes with Anthony and Stoudemire on the floor together.

The Lakers probably aren’t going to be making another coaching change. Instead, Gasol is probably on his way out the door. And we can only wonder what might have been had L.A. hired Jackson when they let go of Brown in November … or if they had just kept Brown.

dj vitus wrote:So, all we need are shooters who play defense. AK47 still possible to get?

Wasn't our Nash/Meeks/Kobe/Metta/Dwight lineup doing fairly well? Wonder why we went away from that...

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Pau Gasol: TURNING POINT AND LEAK

The most negative situation since Pau Gasol's NBA player has reached a point of no return in the Lakers, at least while Mike D'Antoni is the coach, and that seems guaranteed until end of season. Gasol's professional relationship coach and has been a pulse from the first matches of D'Antoni on the bench, in parentheses liar dinner at Restaurant Petros in Manhattan Beach last December 19.

If we go by the latest developments Mike D'Antoni has lost the plot, if it came to South California with them in hand. A coach who puts a player, whoever he is, to substitute in a match holder and substitute the following in the third, within five days without medical advice through no defense, justification, authority or conviction . A D'Antoni signed him to run a team with four untouchables totaling $ 75 million salary this season. First tried to play a player of 2.13 m. 32 years tall and seven meters from the hoop. Look situations Gasol shot in the final season of Phil Jackson and compare:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ting/2011/

The decision to sit home to one of the four untouchables, to give discreet plan to play 24 minutes per game, is to waste the excess capital invested. D'Antoni has launched the cracking of the substitution of Gasol in Chicago because I knew after the defeat in Toronto to the situation and the results could get worse in the next twelve games. Nine of them are away from home and many rivals before class. D'Antoni has realized that it is not able to get more with what you have. He knows that his system is not flexible or adaptable to the two towers and laying Gasol wants to accelerate the handover process to see if a four or three and a half open (type Rudy Gay, Josh Smith ..) and at least one reinforcement perimeter can be attached to the playoffs carriage and thus ensured the start of next season on the bench.

Until a week ago Pau Gasol was committed, staying in encabezonado Lakers to overcome the situation. When he heard the Monday morning of his anger was multiplied substitution and approaches extent to which dragged on for days and his agent Arn Tellem, who has requested an interview with General Manager Mitch Kupchak. There is one month to the transfer deadline but time is running fast for the Lakers, their classification and because with every game, every decision and every press conference coach Pau Gasol can lose a potential economic value transfer and increase the difficulty for the same. And that is an incalculable injury to a franchise that lost the oremus in its calculations of the last two years.

Antoni Daimiel