Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby The Rock on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:56 pm

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20438877/gasol-wishes-bynum-well-warns-that-top-billing-will-lead-to-more-pounding

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Pau Gasol wished former teammate Andrew Bynum well in his recovery from an offseason knee procedure and a bone bruise that was subsequently revealed. The Lakers' big man also offered words of caution Tuesday: Being the man isn't all it's cracked up to be.

"It's hard to know until you actually go through it," Gasol said after the Lakers' first practice of training camp. "He'll go through it, but especially if he has such little time to prepare before the season, it's going to be a little harder. ... It's a long year. Let's see if his body holds up and see if he's able to play through a whole year. That'll be important. It was important last year for him to do that. But now with a different role with much more pounding, it's going to be different."

For months, it appeared that if the Lakers were going to trade one of their 7-footers, Gasol was going to be the one shipped out of town. If not for commissioner David Stern acting in his former capacity as owner of the Hornets, Gasol would've been a Rocket last December as part of a three-team trade that would've sent Chris Paul to the Lakers.

But in the end, it was Bynum who was sent packing, all the way across the country to Philadelphia in the blockbuster trade that finally freed Dwight Howard from Orlando and made him a Laker. Now, the Lakers are more powerful and star-studded than ever. And Bynum is the unequivocal No. 1 option with the Sixers, which is what he wanted. Sometimes, Gasol seemed to be saying Tuesday, be careful what you wish for.

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"More touches mean more double-teams, too," Gasol said. "If you're the main guy, the defense is going to work extra hard to take that option away. The first option is what they want to try and take away and make somebody else be the second or third option. Like I said, it's more pounding. It's more physical fatigue. We'll see. It's going to be interesting."

After hearing the news Monday that Bynum would be held out of basketball activities for several weeks after an exam revealed a bone bruise in his right knee, Gasol said he planned to "reach out" to his former teammate to "see how he's doing." Bynum had the now-famous platelet procedure on his knee in Germany last month, a procedure that fortified Kobe Bryant's knee prior to last season.

"Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see him in Europe before his visit to the doctor," Gasol said. "For some reason we couldn't make it happen."
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:37 am

I wonder if the bone bruise thing he keeps getting is caused sometimes by the metal portion of the brace he wears?

But yeah....Gasol is exactly right....be careful what you wish for. Personally I don't think Drew has the strength and explosiveness and quickness to handle the increased pounding and double & triple teams he will now face down low as the MAN every game. Hope he can hold up to it but have my doubts.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:13 am

1. Kind of opens you to the mentality of Gasol. We always think of the trade that sent him here as a godsend for Kobe, but apparently it was great for Pau too. He seems afraid of being that number one guy again. It's documented how little he likes contact and aggression, I think coming here helped free him from a lot of that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but he seems to thrive more as the #2/3 than the #1. Interesting to say the least.

2. He's right about Bynum. It'll be a tough road for him and we'll see how he responds physically and mentally.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby dj vitus on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:33 am

A new bone bruise??? That's... not good news.

If healthy and determined, he can probably score 24 ppg. But with this new injury, he'll have to start off slow again. They'll have to use the same recipe every year to save him for the playoffs.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:07 pm

idk pau does pretty well as the number 1 option for spain...i mean its kind of a 1a and b with his brother. but at least this summer it was him as #1
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:01 pm

Says all one needs to know about the two of them...... Drew is a lot of things and most of them good and he wants a chance to be the man...... Pau is a lot of things too.... and one of them is scared it seems.....
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby karacha on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:07 pm

Pau is not scared. He simply prefers to be the second option. Not everyone can be option #1. He used to be, did OK, and he certainly did well playing for his national team... but in the NBA, his best role is the second fiddle and he's really good at playing it.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:14 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Says all one needs to know about the two of them...... Drew is a lot of things and most of them good and he wants a chance to be the man...... Pau is a lot of things too.... and one of them is scared it seems.....


That's not quite fair. Kobe Bryant the biggest name and most talented (LBJ aside) and accomplished player in the world is in the equation. He certainly tried in Memphis. Not enough talent all around and yes he doesn't thrive in the NBA as a number one option. But on equally big stage worldwide he has dominated as the premiere big man the last 3 Olympics and number one option for powerhouse Spain. Isn't he high scorer also 3 Olympiads over 8 years?

Again Kobe in the equation. Probably love/hate for Gasol. Loves that Kobe loves that last shot and all the heroics. And hates that Kobe rides him for mistakes in normal play of game and then goes into unnecessary look at me dribble dance and bounces it off his foot for turnover.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:25 pm

^^Hmmm... so Pau all but says he's not cut out to be number one and everybody is number 2ing on me.....

What I think of Kobe or Drew or Howard or anyone has nothing to do with this. Pau gets paid more than the "number one" on 25 other teams and he has the sack to say that it's too hard for some people and implies himself in the comment..... come on guys pry the purple goggles off. Pau has disappointed when it got "hard" the last two years..... and he doesn't want to be in a position to be counted on it seems.....
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:26 pm

Bynum has alot of talent. He has the potential to be a truly great basketball player. He's just gotta develop that consistency. He's kinda like the NBA version of Dez Bryant. Like Dez has Has great, great talent and potential, but can he is abit of a knucklehead and there's the question of can he ever develop that consistency? It's one thing to be great once every five games, but the thing that makes guys like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, etc. special is the ability to do it every single night. It'll be very interesting to see how Bynum adjusts to being the #1 option in Philadelphia.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:04 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Hmmm... so Pau all but says he's not cut out to be number one and everybody is number 2ing on me.....

What I think of Kobe or Drew or Howard or anyone has nothing to do with this. Pau gets paid more than the "number one" on 25 other teams and he has the sack to say that it's too hard for some people and implies himself in the comment..... come on guys pry the purple goggles off. Pau has disappointed when it got "hard" the last two years..... and he doesn't want to be in a position to be counted on it seems.....


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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:12 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^Hmmm... so Pau all but says he's not cut out to be number one and everybody is number 2ing on me.....

What I think of Kobe or Drew or Howard or anyone has nothing to do with this. Pau gets paid more than the "number one" on 25 other teams and he has the sack to say that it's too hard for some people and implies himself in the comment..... come on guys pry the purple goggles off. Pau has disappointed when it got "hard" the last two years..... and he doesn't want to be in a position to be counted on it seems.....


Well sorry we didn't get his bleep shipped out to make you happy with your dream scenario in return. Talk to Mitch about it. I'm glad he's still here.


:man3: What the.......?

So you're thinking we've got our money's worth out of Pau in the last two post seasons...... It would seem that every real Laker fan would be really upset with this guy saying essentially it was too hard for him to be number one while being paid like a number one and taking up a gigantic percentage of our cap....

The reason he's still here has been spun into "he fits great with Nash"...... but the fairly obvious real reason is no one wants him unless it's a total give away because he isn't earning his money..... and isn't willing to lead or do the "hard" work.... We've seen it....now he essentially says it....
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby gcclaker on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:27 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Says all one needs to know about the two of them...... Drew is a lot of things and most of them good and he wants a chance to be the man...... Pau is a lot of things too.... and one of them is scared it seems.....

Uuummm...I'm not quite sure if that is the case of him being scared. His comments lean more toward Bynum having to expect more attention being the main guy and that being the focal point of the opponent's defense can be a physically grinding process. Gasol knows that Bynum's health can be an issue so he wants to see [with no malice] how he will hold up with all the bumping and pounding. He is trying to equate that to what he went through in Memphis. Now Bynum will as well...
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:32 pm

Roos I think last year he and Kobe were both gassed thanks to Brown. If any other reason look to his psyche being on the block all year. Any other reason due to him totally then screw him. Not saying it's right but look at freaking Lamar. There was definitely something behind the scenes the year before. Hell yeah both years were sub par in post season.

BUT I expect with this lineup and an intelligent offense compared to that abortion last year, and coming off another great Olympics that Pau will have a big year. And I'm a Gasol fan. Just saying I am very happy he is still here with all the dust and trade talks settled. You have clearly been wanting to move him for something better. Sorry sucks for you I guess. I hope I'm right. You should too.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:39 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Says all one needs to know about the two of them...... Drew is a lot of things and most of them good and he wants a chance to be the man...... Pau is a lot of things too.... and one of them is scared it seems.....

Uuummm...I'm not quite sure if that is the case of him being scared. His comments lean more toward Bynum having to expect more attention being the main guy and that being the focal point of the opponent's defense can be a physically grinding process. Gasol knows that Bynum's health can be an issue so he wants to see [with no malice] how he will hold up with all the bumping and pounding. He is trying to equate that to what he went through in Memphis. Now Bynum will as well...


Well...... he's giving advice from a point of experience.... so I'm not looking at the direct words but the fact that he thought that he was in a position to give the advice in the first place......

His advice to Andrew is good advice..... from someone who didn't like or cherish that position..... would you say that is fair?......
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:46 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:Roos I think last year he and Kobe were both gassed thanks to Brown. If any other reason look to his psyche being on the block all year. Any other reason due to him totally then screw him. Not saying it's right but look at freaking Lamar. There was definitely something behind the scenes the year before. Hell yeah both years were sub par in post season.

BUT I expect with this lineup and an intelligent offense compared to that abortion last year, and coming off another great Olympics that Pau will have a big year. And I'm a Gasol fan. Just saying I am very happy he is still here with all the dust and trade talks settled. You have clearly been wanting to move him for something better. Sorry sucks for you I guess. I hope I'm right. You should too.


First.... I have nothing against Gasol other than his mental approach..... He is probably the most skilled big man I've seen since Kareem..... and center is my favorite position to watch and I value skill over athleticism a lot..... that's fairly obvious from my posts.

Pau's failures in OKC last year had nothing to do with being tired.... he couldn't get rid of the ball soon enough when Kobe gave him a 5 footer and turned it over.... he failed twice in setting screens and basically froze up on the next possession.... when you're making the 5th most in the league those are HUGE mistakes..... and costly ones.... OKC basically defended us to not let Bynum or Kobe beat them..... that left Pau with more opportunities and responsibilities..... many time Andrew was being doubled before the offense was even initiated.... the double teamer was usually Pau's man.... he didn't make them pay nearly enough...
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby gcclaker on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:49 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
gcclaker wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Says all one needs to know about the two of them...... Drew is a lot of things and most of them good and he wants a chance to be the man...... Pau is a lot of things too.... and one of them is scared it seems.....

Uuummm...I'm not quite sure if that is the case of him being scared. His comments lean more toward Bynum having to expect more attention being the main guy and that being the focal point of the opponent's defense can be a physically grinding process. Gasol knows that Bynum's health can be an issue so he wants to see [with no malice] how he will hold up with all the bumping and pounding. He is trying to equate that to what he went through in Memphis. Now Bynum will as well...

Well...... he's giving advice from a point of experience.... so I'm not looking at the direct words but the fact that he thought that he was in a position to give the advice in the first place......

His advice to Andrew is good advice..... from someone who didn't like or cherish that position..... would you say that is fair?......

But how can you tell if he did not like or cherish that position? My thinking being Gasol is jut not at that top tier level of superstar that can carry a team. He doesn't have that sheer dominating talent or outsized personality. Like others have mentioned Gasol is who he is which more of a highly skilled complementary player.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:54 pm

gcclaker wrote:But how can you tell if he did not like or cherish that position? My thinking being Gasol is jut not at that top tier level of superstar that can carry a team. He doesn't have that sheer dominating talent or outsized personality. Like others have mentioned Gasol is who he is which more of a highly skilled complementary player.


His success...... and reactions when he didn't get Memphis out of the first round......

While I agree he's a "highly skilled complementary player"..... he's being paid huge money for being a complementary player..... His contribution in last year's playoffs wasn't much better in total terms than MWP..... yet he made 3 times as much. Would I trade him for a great SF and a decent PF...... in a heartbeat.... that isn't because I dislike Pau but because his value to the team isn't what having a great SF and a decent PF would be...... especially now that we have Howard....
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby gcclaker on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:13 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
gcclaker wrote:But how can you tell if he did not like or cherish that position? My thinking being Gasol is jut not at that top tier level of superstar that can carry a team. He doesn't have that sheer dominating talent or outsized personality. Like others have mentioned Gasol is who he is which more of a highly skilled complementary player.


His success...... and reactions when he didn't get Memphis out of the first round......

While I agree he's a "highly skilled complementary player"..... he's being paid huge money for being a complementary player..... His contribution in last year's playoffs wasn't much better in total terms than MWP..... yet he made 3 times as much. Would I trade him for a great SF and a decent PF...... in a heartbeat.... that isn't because I dislike Pau but because his value to the team isn't what having a great SF and a decent PF would be...... especially now that we have Howard....

Well, I did not follow his career at Memphis so I am not sure what reactions you speak of. Did he call out his teammates? Complain that the coaching staff iwas not savvy enough? I don't recall reading of Gasol being a malcontent or malingerer there. He was not a locker room lawyer or a cancer. Or was he too considerate in not expressing his displeasure? Did he demand a trade in the papers? Not trying to be a schmuck but again, Gasol's pro career isn't pockmarked with controversy. Come to think of it now, the fans did turn on him somewhat but it wasn't the big melodrama that we are accustomed to with other BIG NAME stars.

If I had that GM hat on, yes, I too would do that trade you are thinking of to upgrade one weakness and compensate for the other provided of course that the other party are willing to. I too am a proponent of balance across the board when it comes to personnel. Unfortunately, there aren't too many combinations available at the moment to dial up a trade worthwhile to execute such a transaction. If anything, the Lakers will either be lowballed or no team will take such an albatross of a contract.
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Postby revgen on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:17 pm

^Pau did publicly ask to be traded while he was in Memphis. I agree that he wasn't a malcontent, but he wasn't exactly happy there either.
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Postby gcclaker on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:33 pm

revgen wrote:^Pau did publicly ask to be traded while he was in Memphis. I agree that he wasn't a malcontent, but he wasn't exactly happy there either.

OK...if that is the case then he is no different from any other player who isn't a journeyman. Gasol is not a franchise player though it was foisted on him and did not mean he did not try. He's just not THAT caliber of a star. If it's not working out or you don't think there is any improvement, then why stay? I'm not knocking Memphis as a city, but it's not the bigs either.

One case where the same scenario COULD happen is Kevin Love. THAT one is intriguing if Minnesota does not appease him as far as success or personnel help. If Bynum were to go through that paying your dues in a smaller market, not experiencing much success, getting sick of it then he likely would have looked for a more glamorous or established franchise to play for. It's just basic human nature I suppose.
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:47 pm

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revgen wrote:^Pau did publicly ask to be traded while he was in Memphis. I agree that he wasn't a malcontent, but he wasn't exactly happy there either.

OK...if that is the case then he is no different from any other player who isn't a journeyman. Gasol is not a franchise player though it was foisted on him and did not mean he did not try. He's just not THAT caliber of a star. If it's not working out or you don't think there is any improvement, then why stay? I'm not knocking Memphis as a city, but it's not the bigs either.

One case where the same scenario COULD happen is Kevin Love. THAT one is intriguing if Minnesota does not appease him as far as success or personnel help. If Bynum were to go through that paying your dues in a smaller market, not experiencing much success, getting sick of it then he likely would have looked for a more glamorous or established franchise to play for. It's just basic human nature I suppose.


Pau wasn't a "malcontent".... I don't think that's in his nature..... and that may be indicative of the issue he has at times be assertive.... who knows? He helped us to two championships and played well in the process.... he hasn't played well at all in the last two years..... He did get the huge extension and really hasn't been the same since.... could be age.... could be the Bynum becoming a bigger part of the offense... or whatever but at what he's getting paid he's more valuable in a trade for balancing players IMO..... but we'd probably have to get a PF that can also play center because Pau is really our back-up center...... and until Howard is fully recovered that could be the most important spot on the team.

Unless we stumble pretty bad I think Pau is here through this year. I do believe his value as the largest ever "expiring contract" will be cashed in eventually..... letting him expire will kill us going forward.... even if he does expire we still have no way to improve without trading or letting the entire team other than Howard expire and starting over..... I assume we will get some pieces for him come July. Until then I hope he shows up like he did in 2010.....
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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby KB24 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:52 pm

Pau is dead on. But it also shows why Pau didn't love being the number 1 guy on Memphis.

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Re: Pau Gasol's words of wisdom for Bynum

Postby gcclaker on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:06 pm

^To be honest Roos, I believe Gasol will be dealt as an expiring contract before it ends. It's a move that makes sense. I don't see Laker management hanging on to him for sentimental reasons. I think you nailed the TWO biggest reasons for his decline. The emergence of Bynum being given more opportunities at Gasol's expense and age. He hasn't recovered as fast as he used to from hamstring, back and shoulder injuries as he once could.

What I am currently concerned about is how long it will take Howard to fully engage himself on the floor while Gasol has to man the middle in his absence. He could start fast off the gates, then when defenses start pummelling him...it could be 2011 all over again where he incurred injuries that nagged him.
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