Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

Yes
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No
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Maybe (explain)
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby The Original 81 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:23 am

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Kobe, answering a question from a Spanish reporter about Pau's status with the Lakers: "As long as I'm there, he's going to be there."
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:31 am

The Original 81 wrote:
Brian Mahoney ‏@briancmahoney
Kobe, answering a question from a Spanish reporter about Pau's status with the Lakers: "As long as I'm there, he's going to be there."


To add to this....

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On top of Kobe's support, whispers have been emanating from Lakerland that team brass has renewed excitement about Pau with Nash en route
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 24K GOLD on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:02 am

The Original 81 wrote:
Brian Mahoney ‏@briancmahoney
Kobe, answering a question from a Spanish reporter about Pau's status with the Lakers: "As long as I'm there, he's going to be there."

Glad that Pau has Kobe's back.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kray28 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:07 pm

The Original 81 wrote:
Brian Mahoney ‏@briancmahoney
Kobe, answering a question from a Spanish reporter about Pau's status with the Lakers: "As long as I'm there, he's going to be there."


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 432J on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:17 pm

funny how everyone (including myself) wanted pau shipped out ASAP, but now with nash on board everything has taken a 360 degree turn. so let me make it clear that i'm still in favor of trading pau to minny for williams and pekovic

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:18 pm

432J wrote:funny how everyone (including myself) wanted pau shipped out ASAP, but now with nash on board everything has taken a 360 degree turn. so let me make it clear that i'm still in favor of trading pau to minny for williams and pekovic

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 432J on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:25 pm

KeepBynum wrote:
432J wrote:funny how everyone (including myself) wanted pau shipped out ASAP, but now with nash on board everything has taken a 360 degree turn. so let me make it clear that i'm still in favor of trading pau to minny for williams and pekovic

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:30 pm

What else would you expect Kobe to say about Pau in Pau's country though ?

Their chemistry on the floor isn't what it used to be and Kobe wasn't "easy" at all on Pau after Game 4 and during Game 5 against OKC ...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Uncle Drew on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:23 pm

Wow. I can't wait until season start, and Pau start to be softer than ever and suck big time, and then, i'll come here and quote all these post about "how are you glad that Pau is with us"
You people forgot really fast about last season. And don't expect Pau to be beast because Nash. The less you expect, less you will be disappointed.......
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby OX1947 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:38 pm

KB24stk wrote:Wow. I can't wait until season start, and Pau start to be softer than ever and suck big time, and then, i'll come here and quote all these post about "how are you glad that Pau is with us"
You people forgot really fast about last season. And don't expect Pau to be beast because Nash. The less you expect, less you will be disappointed.......


When next year, Pau and Nash are the most devastating pick and roll offense in the league, then we shall see what the excuse will be for all the Gasol detractors.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:03 pm

OX1947 wrote:
KB24stk wrote:Wow. I can't wait until season start, and Pau start to be softer than ever and suck big time, and then, i'll come here and quote all these post about "how are you glad that Pau is with us"
You people forgot really fast about last season. And don't expect Pau to be beast because Nash. The less you expect, less you will be disappointed.......


When next year, Pau and Nash are the most devastating pick and roll offense in the league, then we shall see what the excuse will be for all the Gasol detractors.


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:12 pm

I'm still pulling the trigger on a Pau trade if it nets us Granger, Iggy, Deng....
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:18 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'm still pulling the trigger on a Pau trade if it nets us Granger, Iggy, Deng....


In a heartbeat.....

I don't get the "renewed enthusiasm" for Pau with Nash here stuff.... Pau's problems aren't based in anything Nash can do for him..... Pau shrinks under pressure..... he passed up shots.... made turnovers.... blew defensive assignments and generally played soft and scared down the stretch in almost all of our playoff games over the last two years..... that has nothing to do with getting an open look from Nash.... or being a great team player.... we need more players that have the spheres to be "selfish" at the right times... not another puffball that says the right stuff and hides when the pressure is on...

Love Pau and what he brought but I'd trade him for depth and shooters in a NY minute....
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldHammish on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:I'm still pulling the trigger on a Pau trade if it nets us Granger, Iggy, Deng....


In a heartbeat.....

I don't get the "renewed enthusiasm" for Pau with Nash here stuff.... Pau's problems aren't based in anything Nash can do for him..... Pau shrinks under pressure..... he passed up shots.... made turnovers.... blew defensive assignments and generally played soft and scared down the stretch in almost all of our playoff games over the last two years..... that has nothing to do with getting an open look from Nash.... or being a great team player.... we need more players that have the spheres to be "selfish" at the right times... not another puffball that says the right stuff and hides when the pressure is on...

Love Pau and what he brought but I'd trade him for depth and shooters in a NY minute....

Co-sign. And I think (hope) that the front office would do this as well if the opportunity presented itself.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Helljumper on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:47 pm

Well I'm very glad that management didn't trade him early in the off-season when his value was ridiculously low and his poor post-season performance was fresh in everyone's minds. Looking back at it, some of the trades that I was advocating back then would have put us in a comparatively terrible position. Now, all this lip service to how good he'll be with Nash, Kobe's comments about him wanting Pau to stay in LA as long as he's here, and a (hopefully) good Olympics performance might be enough to raise his trade value. And if that happens, we can actually afford to get rid of him now with Jamison and Hill under contract already.

If we're still unable to get an offer that we like, then maybe Nash does help Pau's game. And regardless, Nash should improve our entire offense to the point where we can win despite Pau's regression.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:07 pm

Never wanted to trade Pau. Always thought he was more valuable to this team than Drew. Glad that now we have a amazing PG so Pau knows he's not going anyways. Also Kobe saying what he needs to to get Pau to know his trade stuff is done. He's staying a laker.

Maybe now that he knows he's staying that he'll ball again. Nash should help with that and I hope he shows everyone what he can do when he's not on the trading block EVERY day
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:38 pm

If that's Kobe's guy we're better off just riding it out.. They both expire in 2 years.. Maybe Kobe's loyalty will convince Pau to come back for cheap so we can reload a bit.. Either way you can't do anything but respect the loyalty.. The guy brought him 2 rings & he doesn't want him going through another season of trade rumors.. Kobe is making sure the big Spaniard will have his head in the game this season.. & we'll all be thanking him when we raise another banner
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby KB24 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:46 am

Roos, Doc
count me in.

I don't get the enthusiasm for a player that absolutely sucked in b2b playoffs, is 32 and makes 20 Mio. and plays the position with the best depth on the team.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:07 am

I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that Nash won't make Pau better. We're talking about STEVE NASH. A guy who has made a living making just about every player he's ever played with much better. Guys have career years with Nash, get big contracts, but once they leave Nash are never the same. Marcin Gortat was a backup center before being traded to Phoenix and playing with Nash who turned him into a top flight center. If he can turn Gortat into an All Star center I'm pretty sure he can get Pau back to his 2010 form. Unless the offers blow us away we should keep Pau. I certainly wouldn't trade Pau for a lesser player like Deng, Igoudala, or Granger. Besides we don't need a better starting SF we need another bench piece or two. 
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 432J on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:10 am

KeepBynum wrote:I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that Nash won't make Pau better. We're talking about STEVE NASH. A guy who has made a living making just about every player he's ever played with much better. Guys have career years with Nash, get big contracts, but once they leave Nash are never the same. Marcin Gortat was a backup center before being traded to Phoenix and playing with Nash who turned him into a top flight center. If he can turn Gortat into an All Star center I'm pretty sure he can get Pau back to his 2010 form. Unless the offers blow us away we should keep Pau. I certainly wouldn't trade Pau for a lesser player like Deng, Igoudala, or Granger. Besides we don't need a better starting SF we need anther bench piece or two. 

it's not all about the addition of nash. it's the fact that for the past 2 seasons, pau has choked big time during the postseason. nash can't change that and neither can anyone else. i'm sure nash will increase pau's numbers during the season but the postseason is a whole different story
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:16 am

432J wrote:
KeepBynum wrote:I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that Nash won't make Pau better. We're talking about STEVE NASH. A guy who has made a living making just about every player he's ever played with much better. Guys have career years with Nash, get big contracts, but once they leave Nash are never the same. Marcin Gortat was a backup center before being traded to Phoenix and playing with Nash who turned him into a top flight center. If he can turn Gortat into an All Star center I'm pretty sure he can get Pau back to his 2010 form. Unless the offers blow us away we should keep Pau. I certainly wouldn't trade Pau for a lesser player like Deng, Igoudala, or Granger. Besides we don't need a better starting SF we need anther bench piece or two. 

it's not all about the addition of nash. it's the fact that for the past 2 seasons, pau has choked big time during the postseason. nash can't change that and neither can anyone else. i'm sure nash will increase pau's numbers during the season but the postseason is a whole different story

Agree 100%. keepbynum, rooscooter also explained why.

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I don't get the "renewed enthusiasm" for Pau with Nash here stuff.... Pau's problems aren't based in anything Nash can do for him..... Pau shrinks under pressure..... he passed up shots.... made turnovers.... blew defensive assignments and generally played soft and scared down the stretch in almost all of our playoff games over the last two years..... that has nothing to do with getting an open look from Nash.... or being a great team player.... we need more players that have the spheres to be "selfish" at the right times... not another puffball that says the right stuff and hides when the pressure is on...

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:17 am

1.) Marcin Gortat is not a top flight center or an all star center considering he's never been selected as an all star.

2.) Nash can get Pau all these open looks, but is he going to make Pau shoot it too? How is Nash going to help him do that, spot him?

Two examples off the top of my head...

First is the Denver game.....Matt Barnes inbounds the ball to Pau Gasol, great position to make a move in the post. Pau passes out to Barnes, turnover, Barnes wasn't even inbounds yet before Pau got rid of the ball.

Second, OKC game. Kobe sets him at the end of the game for a wide open shot. Pau doesn't shoot it, turns it over, the rest is history.

Nash can definitely get Pau from point A to point B, but getting from Point B to Point C is all on Pau and the last two playoff's he has shown he can't do that anymore.

I'll just agree to disagree on the Pau for Iggy / Deng / Granger because having another person to space the floor for Nash / Kobe / Bynum, that can score and create for himself, while playing above average defense wouldn't be better suited for this team.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:41 am

Doc Brown wrote:1.)

I'll just agree to disagree on the Pau for Iggy / Deng / Granger because having another person to space the floor for Nash / Kobe / Bynum, that can score and create for himself, while playing above average defense wouldn't be better suited for this team.


Well said..... the only one on that list I'd think twice about would be Iggy... he's not really a floor spacer. Deng and especially Granger fit the bill though....

If we do eventually get Princess here he will need an open lane for that "oh so pretty" sweeping hook shot of his.... Having Pau and MWP lurking in the paint and clogging it up is something he's never had to deal with in Orlando.... he's usually the only one in the paint on offense... Trading Pau for a face up PF and a shooter at the SF solves that issue......
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby jamabile on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:47 am

Doc Brown wrote:1.) Marcin Gortat is not a top flight center or an all star center considering he's never been selected as an all star.

2.) Nash can get Pau all these open looks, but is he going to make Pau shoot it too? How is Nash going to help him do that, spot him?

Two examples off the top of my head...

First is the Denver game.....Matt Barnes inbounds the ball to Pau Gasol, great position to make a move in the post. Pau passes out to Barnes, turnover, Barnes wasn't even inbounds yet before Pau got rid of the ball.

Second, OKC game. Kobe sets him at the end of the game for a wide open shot. Pau doesn't shoot it, turns it over, the rest is history.

Nash can definitely get Pau from point A to point B, but getting from Point B to Point C is all on Pau and the last two playoff's he has shown he can't do that anymore.

I'll just agree to disagree on the Pau for Iggy / Deng / Granger because having another person to space the floor for Nash / Kobe / Bynum, that can score and create for himself, while playing above average defense wouldn't be better suited for this team.


You're completely right. Finally, someome who gets it! I competely agree. I been saying we need an NBA starting level SF for awhile. Granger would be ideal. He can create his own shot, shoot the three, excellent freethrow shooter, and good finisher at the rim. This alone would make our team completely impossible to defend. You can't double off of Granger; he'll kill you from outside. Also, his defense on Lebron wasn't bad so he's not a liability at that end.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:37 am

kray28 wrote:
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Kobe, answering a question from a Spanish reporter about Pau's status with the Lakers: "As long as I'm there, he's going to be there."


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