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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Lakerfantilidie on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:51 pm

Time to make Pau Howard's back up. That's right bench him. Start Jamison over him, he'll do better playing against 2nd units.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:52 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
How can you put all your eggs in one basket? This isn't a young 30 year old Nash, we're expecting back. Its unfair to Nash to have these expectations that he will save this offense. And even if he does, there is certainly his minutes to consider for the postseason and there is also to health issue as well.

This offense is based off of your PG's strengths. You can't keep burning Kobe up to play a PG position and you can't put it all on Nash neither.

I admire how some of you want to believe this will work....but even if it does work, you're emphasizing the wrong components. That young guy that will become a FA should be the center piece on offense. Kobe will get his regardless, but you need to make him feel important. This offense will not do that for him, unless Nash deliberately makes it so.

I'll allow this to play out, but come postseason, we'll see how this all plays out and IMHO, it won't work out favorably for us.

The only change, real change from last season was the addition of Nash. Howard is great but compared to Bynum last year, they jump isnt ridiculous big.
So it does end up being all on Nash to make it work because that has been his strength. If he cant do that anymore, then we wont win a title...we knew this before the season started. I dont think there was any other way of going about things. The margins are slim.


Haha, D'Antoni is a legend. The guy just spits out whatever is on his mind...the media guys must love him already.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:52 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
The Rock wrote:Welp

https://twitter.com/janiscarr/status/272182812801654784

D'Antoni said if these players can't keep pace, then they have to find players who can.


Isn't this what some Laker fans were questioning in the first place? How does THIS roster fit this offense? It doesn't! So why did management believe THIS roster was made for it?

Now you have to trade Pau to make this offense work....which means our already low leverage on Pau's return, just gets even lower.

Once we see "Breaking News: Pau traded"...we most likely will not like the moving parts involved. Mitch's wand will probably still do wonders, but it won't bring in what it could have.

what difference would it make if Phil was here? Pau has progressively gone further further from the basket once Bynum emerged in the post. Pau would still be a jump shooter under Phil with Howard down there.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:53 pm

trodgers wrote:
The Rock wrote:Welp

https://twitter.com/janiscarr/status/272182812801654784

D'Antoni said if these players can't keep pace, then they have to find players who can.

I mean, that sounds nice. But it's not like you can just dump off Kobe, Dwight, and Pau...

He prob just means Pau...and the guards sans Kobe.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:53 pm

Pau, I love you. Thanks for the memories, but J-Smooth/Korver/Player X plz. kthxMitchbai
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:55 pm

bumrusherer wrote:
trodgers wrote:
The Rock wrote:Welp

https://twitter.com/janiscarr/status/272182812801654784

D'Antoni said if these players can't keep pace, then they have to find players who can.

I mean, that sounds nice. But it's not like you can just dump off Kobe, Dwight, and Pau...

He prob just means Pau...and the guards sans Kobe.


I'm sure that's what he means.... but Pau isn't the only one that isn't keeping up. Howard's lack of effort seems to be flying under the radar. 4 boards in 40 minutes.... touches have nothing to do with that if your a professional.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:56 pm

purp n gold wrote:Pau, I love you. Thanks for the memories, but J-Smooth/Korver/Player X plz. kthxMitchbai


Smith is an undisciplined offense?.... You might be wanting Pau back by the All Star break....
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
I'm sure that's what he means.... but Pau isn't the only one that isn't keeping up. Howard's lack of effort seems to be flying under the radar. 4 boards in 40 minutes.... touches have nothing to do with that if your a professional.

I'm giving Howard a pass for a while because he had serious back surgery and came back faster than most people expected he would be back. Back in the summer, folks were saying he might miss the first month...yet here he is playing.

He is a guy who has never had the work ethic question used against him..so I wont use it now. 2-3 months from now though, we;ll see.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby trodgers on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:59 pm

Howard is actually defending. Pau makes an impact nowhere at this point.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JLaker17 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:00 pm

Pau for some pieces, get it done Mitch!
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Legendary on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:00 pm

If we can't trade him, D'Antoni should really consider moving Pau to the bench permanently to back-up Dwight. He isn't playing well in his current role, and maybe playing all/most of his minutes as C against the 2nd units of other teams, we'll get some type of production from him.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:01 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
purp n gold wrote:Pau, I love you. Thanks for the memories, but J-Smooth/Korver/Player X plz. kthxMitchbai


Smith is an undisciplined offense?.... You might be wanting Pau back by the All Star break....


I'm well aware of his chucking tendencies, and I'm weary of them... but I like the idea of getting 2 shooters and an uber-athletic all-star 3/4 to run with Nash
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby lotus on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:03 pm

So, when does this guy get traded?

This roster is for the Triangle, not run and gun. 2 years in a row and 2 coaches, still not properly matched. When will jimmy get the right match?! Jesus.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:04 pm

Legendary wrote:If we can't trade him, D'Antoni should really consider moving Pau to the bench permanently to back-up Dwight. He isn't playing well in his current role, and maybe playing all/most of his minutes as C against the 2nd units of other teams, we'll get some type of production from him.


Not opposed to this. I firmly believe he's a C at his stage of his career. The face-up/midrange/take guys off the dribble version of Pau was left in Memphis. We had remnants of it in 2008-10, but to me it's gone. Everyone likes to believe he's still "able" to play PF, but I don't think so.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:04 pm

trodgers wrote:Howard is actually defending. Pau makes an impact nowhere at this point.



The last 3 pick and rolls Memphis ran resulted in 2 wide open elbow jumpers and an offensive rebound... all with in 3 feet of Howard... maybe before that but those last few possessions he was either tired or mentally done.

Pau is not a PF in this league.... and especially not one at this point in his career.

When Jamison gets as many boards and more points in 26 minutes as Howard and Pau do in 67 minutes there is something dreadfully wrong...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby trodgers on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:07 pm

I listen to games, so I'm going by what I hear. He played good D early on. Or at least good(ish). Gasol was gobbled up repeatedly.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JLaker17 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:08 pm

The only thing I've seen good from Gasol consistently this year is those quick alley hoop passes to Dwight. That is all.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:10 pm

Its simple Roos....a player gets really motivated on D and picks up his guys when he's involved on offense. Just cause they're pros doesn't make them immune to this type of motivation. You see it on the playground all the time...get the guy the ball on the offensive end and make him feel important there and he busts his butt on D. But that effort on D diminishes if he doesn't get the proper attention on O.

Dwight ain't at a 100%...and yeah, he does get alot of TOs off of stripped balls. But if you get him high passes into the paint where he can attack right away, before the double comes, then he sees more success and more touches on offense. Pau can get Dwight those type of passes....oh and that offense does have a name...its called the triple post offense.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby trodgers on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:10 pm

Every time you write alley hoop I laugh.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby noobiew on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:11 pm

Pau is frustrated, he know he's a center playing out of his natural position, he desperately wants to play closer to the basket.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:11 pm

I'm a believer in that trading Pau helps the locker room in a way. I'm not saying he is a bad guy, but he is the other guy in the room with multiple rings, multiple all star appearances, medals, and captain status. When he doesn't try hard or gets away without caring on O or D it sends a message that contradicts Kobe, Ron going hard as the gets that has been in LA. He isn't leading by example, so you cut his **** sorry [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] example from the team like a bad growth to send notice
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:11 pm

Asked DAntoni what the thinking was on not putting Pau back in when Jamison fouled out in crunch time?

He said "I'd like to win this game"
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:12 pm

noobiew wrote:Pau is frustrated, he know he's a center playing out of his natural position, he desperately wants to play closer to the basket.

Then why doesn't or hasn't he done it the past two years when he does play C with the second unit? Why does he choose instead to pass it to McRoberts or Hill on the block? Pau doesn't want it, and hasn't wanted it in the nba since he beat Boston and he soft label
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:13 pm

trodgers wrote:I listen to games, so I'm going by what I hear. He played good D early on. Or at least good(ish). Gasol was gobbled up repeatedly.


The body language of both of them isn't good at all. Kobe and MWP are playing hard... Morris is trying and Duhon was giving great effort down the stretch. Howard was either tired or something else was wrong.

We ran into a team with a balanced offense. One that has complementary players at each position. That's what I've been hoping for with the Lakers.... Maybe Pau has played his way out of town and we can turn his massive salary into some floor balance.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JLaker17 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:13 pm

trodgers wrote:Every time you write alley hoop I laugh.


:man10: The spell check keeps automatically correcting it. Oh well close enough I guess.
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