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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 432J on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:14 pm

it really makes me sad because pau is one of my favorite all time lakers

but it's time for him to go. he just doesn't bring anything to the table anymore
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:15 pm

But at the price, who would want him?

Atlanta? Why. the way things are going Dwight's changes of leaving are increasing. Dallas and Atl are salivating for that possibility.

The ONLY teams I can see taking a chance are Minn, Toronto, and Wash (just because they suck and need something).

Peckovic, Derek Williams and Barea works for me. Play Williams, Jamison and PF. Along with Hill. Peck is a good back up center.

The other would be Boozer and Deng for Gasol and pieces. But I don't see Chi doing that, and we don't want Boozer (more of the same with Gasol).

Wash -- Nene and Ariza?

I don't know. The options are very limited. So many excuses. Phil is done motivating. Brown sucks. Kobe isn't distributing enough. MDA isn't using him right. Gasol is tired. on and on. Bottom line, the guys just aren't having fun and Kobe is still shooting too much at times. I don't know... the more things change the more they stay the same, it seems.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby trodgers on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:16 pm

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:man10: The spell check keeps automatically correcting it. Oh well close enough I guess.

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:16 pm

kblo247 wrote:Asked DAntoni what the thinking was on not putting Pau back in when Jamison fouled out in crunch time?

He said "I'd like to win this game"


^^ Yeah, and honestly I think D' Antoni is kind of a jerk. Not just kind of. The coach needs to be able to utilize his players and you've got 3 hall of famers here. Figure it out instead of blaming your players and whining about trading them.

I knew the D' Antoni hire was a mistake. Are we having that fun yet, BTW? So much for scoring 115-120. Didn't D' Antoni say it was on him if he couldn't get these guys doing that?

Regardless, the big issue is defense. Individually and collectively.

I'm calling out D' Antoni as much as the players. I wanted Jerry Sloan - you know why? Biggest reason: individual responsibility on defense. Accountability under Sloan. No accountability with D' Antoni.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Aonex on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:20 pm

I'm ready to Lamar Odom him... send him to the bench as our 6th man.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:20 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Its simple Roos....a player gets really motivated on D and picks up his guys when he's involved on offense. Just cause they're pros doesn't make them immune to this type of motivation. You see it on the playground all the time...get the guy the ball on the offensive end and make him feel important there and he busts his butt on D. But that effort on D diminishes if he doesn't get the proper attention on O.

Dwight ain't at a 100%...and yeah, he does get alot of TOs off of stripped balls. But if you get him high passes into the paint where he can attack right away, before the double comes, then he sees more success and more touches on offense. Pau can get Dwight those type of passes....oh and that offense does have a name...its called the triple post offense.


It may be "simple" but it's chickens and eggs isn't it? We usually try the inside thing and then get down 10 and then Kobe takes over.... it isn't as if we ignore him out there.

I know he's coming back from injury and he isn't all there.... but I'm talking about body language.... the same we've seen before......

I've watched a ton of Howard play and he "rests" a lot during games.... mostly because he plays so many minutes. He also has difficulty with bigs that out weigh him and are physical. About 1/2 of Howard's points over the years come from havoc reeked by penetrating guards and broken plays. His weakness has always been 1 on 1 post play in relative terms. We aren't getting him in those situations because this team lacks balance (e.g.. shooters/playmakers) at the 3 and 4 spots. Everyone is packing it in against him and he has never been great at the back to the basket game and we are seeing the results of that in the strips and awkward attempts. He's the most effective big in the game in a broken floor and we need to find a way to get him in those situations or we are going to see more of this effort I'm afraid.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby King of Clutch on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:21 pm

I hope d'antoni has the balls to bench pau. Because that would seriously be the smart thing to do. we torched them when howard was surrounded with shooters. All that great spacing and shooting wasn't happening with gasol shooting mid range jumpers that he hardly ever makes. And our bench could use more punch. Put him at the 5 with the second unit...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:27 pm

when the guys were playing with bernie they were moving the ball much better and the bigs were way more involved. kobe also shot way better. now with mike im sure theyre trying new things and a new system but so far im not impressed.

pau and dwight both have to be involved more and its not just whats in there control bc if it was than pau would have way less points/touches than dwight. right now theyre both getting nothing in the past 2 games. not a coincidence.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:29 pm

I'm going to keep it simple. If Pau can't get up to play versus his little brother and the team who traded him for Kwame Brown because they deemed him not a franchise player .... Wo will he get up to play against?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JGC on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:30 pm

kblo247 wrote:I'm going to keep it simple. If Pau can't get up to play versus his little brother and the team who traded him for Kwame Brown because they deemed him not a franchise player .... Wo will he get up to play against?


Pau is just an older player who can't get it up any more.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby DarthRekal on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:36 pm

did fkmikebrown change his screenname yet?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:55 pm

Legendary wrote:If we can't trade him, D'Antoni should really consider moving Pau to the bench permanently to back-up Dwight. He isn't playing well in his current role, and maybe playing all/most of his minutes as C against the 2nd units of other teams, we'll get some type of production from him.

I was laughed at when I suggested this a few games back.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:57 pm

DarthRekal wrote:did fkmikebrown change his screenname yet?


maybe i should just go with fkeveryone so i don't have to change it anymore afterwards.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby DarthRekal on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:58 pm

fkmikebrown wrote:
DarthRekal wrote:did fkmikebrown change his screenname yet?


maybe i should just go with fkeveryone so i don't have to change it anymore afterwards.

yes :jam2:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JGC on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:01 pm

fkmikebrown wrote:
DarthRekal wrote:did fkmikebrown change his screenname yet?


maybe i should just go with fkeveryone so i don't have to change it anymore afterwards.


Just go with fklakers until they start playing like Lakers.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby 432J on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:05 pm

why doesnt dan tony just bench pau and start jamison at the 4?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:05 pm

tigerjeterkobe wrote:But at the price, who would want him?

Atlanta? Why. the way things are going Dwight's changes of leaving are increasing. Dallas and Atl are salivating for that possibility.

The ONLY teams I can see taking a chance are Minn, Toronto, and Wash (just because they suck and need something).

Peckovic, Derek Williams and Barea works for me. Play Williams, Jamison and PF. Along with Hill. Peck is a good back up center.

The other would be Boozer and Deng for Gasol and pieces. But I don't see Chi doing that, and we don't want Boozer (more of the same with Gasol).

Wash -- Nene and Ariza?


:bang: No to all of those deals. Just no.

I said this in another thread. Pau's value at ClubLakers after a loss =/= Pau's value around the league.

Guys like Javale McGee can pull in big contracts just for having potential at the center position, and the walking dead like Jermaine O'Neal and Marcus Camby are still getting contracts.

You're underselling Pau here. He's still a legitimate producer at the C position, let alone one with a pretty clean [recent] injury history.

Dealing players away from your team isn't about honest basketball assessments, it's about selling high. It's a business. And if you don't think Mitch can't sell high on Pau, then you're underestimating Mitch too. The man turned Walton into Sessions, and Fisher into Jordan Hill.

Josh Smith is a possibility because he's an expiring contract. And seriously, ask yourself this - what is more likely? The Hawks signing Howard & re-signing Josh Smith... OR the Hawks dealing Josh Smith. I'm going with the latter. Al Horford can play his natural 4 in the high post, while Pau will have his precious low post.

Only suitable package for Pau is one involving Josh Smith & Korver. Otherwise, get his "butt" on the 2nd unit and have Jamison stretch the floor with Dwight.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:11 pm

I am not underselling a guy who can't deliver in big moments, shrinks in the playoffs against scrubs and rookies, and who runs from contact even if it were at the 3 point line.

I'd take Peck, Williams (good future with Dwight), Barea and Buddinger (can they waive physical on an injured player??) for Gasol and Duhon/Ebanks/Clark in a hearbeat.

Would rather have that package to go with nash, kobe, and dwight than Josh Smith.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JGC on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:13 pm

purp n gold wrote:
tigerjeterkobe wrote:But at the price, who would want him?

Atlanta? Why. the way things are going Dwight's changes of leaving are increasing. Dallas and Atl are salivating for that possibility.

The ONLY teams I can see taking a chance are Minn, Toronto, and Wash (just because they suck and need something).

Peckovic, Derek Williams and Barea works for me. Play Williams, Jamison and PF. Along with Hill. Peck is a good back up center.

The other would be Boozer and Deng for Gasol and pieces. But I don't see Chi doing that, and we don't want Boozer (more of the same with Gasol).

Wash -- Nene and Ariza?


:bang: No to all of those deals. Just no.

I said this in another thread. Pau's value at ClubLakers after a loss =/= Pau's value around the league.

Guys like Javale McGee can pull in big contracts just for having potential at the center position, and the walking dead like Jermaine O'Neal and Marcus Camby are still getting contracts.

You're underselling Pau here. He's still a legitimate producer at the C position, let alone one with a pretty clean [recent] injury history.

Dealing players away from your team isn't about honest basketball assessments, it's about selling high. It's a business. And if you don't think Mitch can sell high on Pau, then you're underestimating Mitch too. The man turned Walton into Sessions, and Fisher into Jordan Hill.

Josh Smith is a possibility because he's an expiring contract. And seriously, ask yourself this - what is more likely? The Hawks signing Howard & re-signing Josh Smith... OR the Hawks dealing Josh Smith. I'm going with the latter. Al Horford can play his natural 4 in the high post, while Pau will have his precious low post.

Only suitable package for Pau is one involving Josh Smith & Korver. Otherwise, get his "butt" on the 2nd unit and have Jamison stretch the floor with Dwight.


He's not underselling Pau. You also have to factor in his albatross of a contract. That's the real deal killer, not what little Pau has left in the tank.

I actually think Pau still has some game left. I think he's just mentally uninterested to be honest.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:20 pm

tigerjeterkobe wrote:I am not underselling a guy who can't deliver in big moments, shrinks in the playoffs against scrubs and rookies, and who runs from contact even if it were at the 3 point line.

I'd take Peck, Williams (good future with Dwight), Barea and Buddinger (can they waive physical on an injured player??) for Gasol and Duhon/Ebanks/Clark in a hearbeat.

Would rather have that package to go with nash, kobe, and dwight than Josh Smith.


Derrick Williams is a tweener in the worst way. He was given the keys at PF to a pick-n-roll offense with Kevin Love injured, and he faltered. We don't even need Peck, we have Dwight friggin' Howard. Peck would be maximized as a starting center. Barea is a nice thought though.

Give me Smith/Korver/Player X over that Wolves deal 8 days a week.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:26 pm

We do need Peck. Just like we need Gasol. to back up Howard. Sacre is garbage. Hill is injury prone and can't log heavy minutes at center.

Though Peck could be moved in a 3-team - lots of teams would want his bulk and he plays hard.

Williams playing with Howard and Nash would be interesting to see. Williams can still finish and shot the 3. We saw tonight how well a smaller line-up can work with Dwight. For the MDA style, Williams would flourish, esp with someone like Buddinger and Barea off the bench.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:29 pm

JGC wrote:He's not underselling Pau. You also have to factor in his albatross of a contract. That's the real deal killer, not what little Pau has left in the tank.

I actually think Pau still has some game left. I think he's just mentally uninterested to be honest.


This is exactly why I think Atlanta would entertain the deal. Yes, it's 18 mil, but they're getting a piece that makes them a lot better - but most importantly they're getting a return on Josh Smith. And if it doesn't work out, Pau is already an expiring contract next year.

Not every team has title expectations, and I'm willing to bet 90% of teams believe that a "change of scenery" would tap into what's left of Pau's game.

With all of this said, Pau would be most ideal in Minny playing with Rubio - I can see a 3-teamer where Minny gives young players & picks to ATL/ Smith & Korver + pieces to LAL/ and Pau to Minny. A big no to Derrick Williams though. No thank you.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby The Rock on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:32 pm

SMDH

He said the same thing after last year's exit interview

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Armani on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:44 pm

Well, he should be a full-time center now, and he can't be that. There's just no way to get around this...on top of that, he doesn't fit too well in this system. Pau isn't as bad as he as looked these past couple games, I am certain of that.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby JGC on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:51 pm

purp n gold wrote:
JGC wrote:He's not underselling Pau. You also have to factor in his albatross of a contract. That's the real deal killer, not what little Pau has left in the tank.

I actually think Pau still has some game left. I think he's just mentally uninterested to be honest.


This is exactly why I think Atlanta would entertain the deal. Yes, it's 18 mil, but they're getting a piece that makes them a lot better - but most importantly they're getting a return on Josh Smith. And if it doesn't work out, Pau is already an expiring contract next year.

Not every team has title expectations, and I'm willing to bet 90% of teams believe that a "change of scenery" would tap into what's left of Pau's game.

With all of this said, Pau would be most ideal in Minny playing with Rubio - I can see a 3-teamer where Minny gives young players & picks to ATL/ Smith & Korver + pieces to LAL/ and Pau to Minny. A big no to Derrick Williams though. No thank you.


There is no team out there, who does NOT have title expectations, that would take on Pau's $19M right now. Next year, as an expiring, sure. I mean, if I was a rebuilding team, there is no way I'm going to absorb a $40M hit on a guy who won't fill the seats, or, be a part of my team in the long run. It just doesn't make sense.

The only teams it makes sense are teams with title expectations that feel they are a piece away and want to contend now and then they'll let him go when his contract is done.
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