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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:42 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:I give him credit for making me laugh at a terrible time being a Lakers fan .... he couldn't even dunk the ball after the whistle on the play he got blocked ... just mind blowing

:man10: That was funny.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby trodgers on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:45 pm

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Lets Go Lakers wrote:Obviously the coach has instructed Pau to be the stretch 4. Just unreal that we have one of the most skilled post up players on this planet and he is relegated to shooting 3s.

We can disagree about how skilled Pau is at this point in the post. Let's just suppose he's the most skilled post up player on the planet. He's just not effective at posting up any longer. He can't do it as regularly and as well as he used to be able to do. Putting him in the post doesn't mean easy buckets. It means misses.


(Insert Pau's shooting % from 3-10 feet here)

Pau's FG% by distance (league averages in parentheses):

At Rim: 67% (64)
3-9 Feet: 23% (38)
10-15 Feet: 17% (41)
16-23 Feet: 41% (38)
Threes: eFG% of 45 (54)
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby trodgers on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:48 pm

He hits one in five shots from three to fifteen feet. And he's only average at the rim. Look at his brother, by comparison:

73%-47%-44%-42%-nil

Or for a real post player, Bynum last year:
73%-43%-27%-26%-30%

Notice how the numbers are awesome inside and they get worse the farther out you go? Gasol is basically the opposite.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:53 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:I give him credit for making me laugh at a terrible time being a Lakers fan .... he couldn't even dunk the ball after the whistle on the play he got blocked ... just mind blowing

:man10: That was funny.


you could here the fans at staples center respond to that. they were stunned.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:56 pm

Bynum was option 2 and was terrible at handling doubles. But i can concede that he's the better option right now. But i also think that if Gasol goes to a team that features him, he will be putting up 20/10 for a couple more years.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:58 pm

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby trodgers on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:00 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:Bynum was option 2 and was terrible at handling doubles. But i can concede that he's the better option right now. But i also think that if Gasol goes to a team that features him, he will be putting up 20/10 for a couple more years.

If you put Gasol on the floor with four shooters, I agree. If you clear out everything for him, he'll make good decisions, hand out a lot of assists, too. I think he could still average 18-10-5. But we have Dwight, so running Pau with four shooters is tough. In fact, I don't know if you could cobble together such a lineup.

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby noobiew on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:02 am

Even Nash PnR also can't save Pau imo, he is just too slow lol
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Center Court on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:06 am

I was at the game and all you could hear were moans and groans when Pau was involved in a play...

at times it looks like he doesn't know what he supposed to do out there. Deer in the head light looks
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:07 am

Pau never gona run out of "problems" for his weak game :man10: from fatigue, gf problems, vaginaitis to plantar fasciatis
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:09 am

Center Court wrote:I was at the game and all you could hear were moans and groans when Pau was involved in a play...

at times it looks like he doesn't know what he supposed to do out there. Deer in the head light looks


It has to be hard for him. He should be no worst than a 2nd option and on some teams, a 1 option but here he is being option 3 for 2 years in a row. He was traded last year and talked about being traded again this year. Now his coach wants him to shoot 3s.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby JLaker17 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:09 am

Pau is a player that sums up our team perfectly, very talented but old, slow, and horrible defense.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:11 am

Well, everytime you think he turned a corner, he turns in a performance like tonight. He's going to be moved. Will it happen this year? I think so. The way our schedule lines up with January in conjunction with the way we're playing, it's bound to happen sooner rather then later.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby The Rock on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:49 am

MDA basically gave him an opportunity to close the game out and he blew it. Couldn't do anything right on either end, look for more Hill, Jamison or MWP now late in 4th
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby sharko on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:55 am

Pau is basically shooting 3's in a desperate attempt to be a part of D'antoni's system to try and spread the floor. It ain't workin Pau! One of the most talented big men in the league and he has to try and play according to D'antoni's style...now we really see how bad of a head coaching choice that was.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:09 am

I've said from the beginning that all I wanted to see from him is the fire he'd been missing the last two years. That's all I wanted from him because that's what I think he needs to be effective for the team.

However, after seeing everything he has to give... I think we need to move on. What he provides for us is amazing, but what we need is yet more youth and energy. We need someone who's going to be a worker and a stretch four. I don't care how you do it, but you go get a guy like Ryan Andersen or like Kevin Love. Even if you have to sell your soul to the devil to do it. We need someone to pick up our energy, someone who has the youth and energy to do that.

As for him shooting threes out of desperation, that's ridiculous. He's shooting threes because the deal is that when he's in the game with Dwight, that's his role. When he's not, he can have it down low all he wants. Or if he beats Dwight down the floor, he can have the ball down low. Otherwise, he needs to be ready to shoot the ball.

It's time for us to move on though. He's not worth the money and he's not the fit we need.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:19 am

Yeah I love Pau and he's been a favorite of mine for a while, but I think he's just done as for player for this team. I think he still has the ability to play but not for this particular roster. It needs a shakeup or we'll be relegated to watching the same "win one lose one" mediocrity we've witnessed all season and if someone is going to be moved it will be Pau.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby The Rock on Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:24 am

We can still win a ring with him. But we need to sit him in the final minutes of the 4th unless he can play better. Id go with MWP or Jamison or Hill now. Pau is still a great rebounder and passer
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Greatest of All Time on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:01 pm

I know Pau shot horrendously but it seemed like they counted some of his offensive rebound attempts as shot attempts because he kept tipping the ball toward the basket. Is he trying to just tip it in so he doesn't have to catch, gather himself and finish? I swear he used to always get those tap ins during his glory days when everyone here loved him.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby borri on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:02 pm

Yup, Pau is DONE. With a capital D. Nash PnR with Pau dont work:

1. Pau is too weak to set a good pick.
2. Pau is too slow to effectively roll.
3. Pau is too passive to roll hard to the hoop.
4. Pau is too passive to pick and pop.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:12 pm

I was always skeptical bout Nash impact on Paus gm, I gave his credit for that nice 2gm stretch but I knew it wouldnt last.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Center Court on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:44 pm

what this team needs in a starting PF is a high energy guy who fits for position on EVERY play, looks to be aggressive with and without the ball, has a nice jump shot and is not afraid to pull it.

Ryan Anderson is ideal but I can't see any trade that they move him for Pau. Paul Milsap is a great choice.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Legendary on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:48 pm

Pau has been done for awhile. Most here hoped that playing alongside Nash, he'd re-discover that inner fire from a few years ago...but so far, I just don't see it. Nash isn't going to magically make Pau play defense, jump higher, or hit wide open shots. Only thing left to try: Duct-tape a Spain logo on his jersey and see what happens...but other than that, it's over.

Phil knew it when he slapped Pau in the chest...the front-office knew it when they tried to trade him in the CP3 deal. Hiring MDA was the final nail in the coffin. It's only a matter of time now, and when the right deal presents itself, Mitch is going to attack it like a rabid rottweiler.

Sad thing is, I really like Pau. His demeanor and attitude make him a person you want to see succeed and overcome obstacles. I'd be very happy to eat these words and see him break through this adversity. But unfortunately for him, this isn't a popularity contest. He's the odd man out and our only tradeable asset to get this team moving in the right direction.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:54 pm

He's simply unable or unwilling to play hard with any sort of consistency.

Can't afford to have that mentality on this team.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Greatest of All Time on Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:06 pm

Center Court wrote:what this team needs in a starting PF is a high energy guy who fits for position on EVERY play, looks to be aggressive with and without the ball, has a nice jump shot and is not afraid to pull it.

Ryan Anderson is ideal but I can't see any trade that they move him for Pau. Paul Milsap is a great choice.


Just because Ryan Anderson can bomb 3s at an insane rate doesn't mean he's a high energy guy that fights for position on every play. His defense is no better than Pau's either. I'd still love to see him bombing 3s with this team though.

Healthy Anderson Varejao is a high energy guy who fights for position and has a pretty decent jump shot with underrated passing. The problem is that he can't stay healthy and Cleveland wants the world for him.
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