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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:44 am

Elle wrote:Jesus, sometimes you just can't win. I'd like to remind you that before Pau our center was Kwame Brown! The first year Pau was here we made it to the Finals and won two championships with his help, and you are calling him a 3rd banana? That's wrong in so many ways.


That Pau was gone 2 years ago. He's making a cameo late in the season and we're all hoping he maintains that play.

But he's getting older, and we need to get younger. His contract is friendly for rebuilding teams, and those rebuilding teams have the young pieces we want.

It's a business first and foremost. Loyalty only goes so far.
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Postby Tobias Funke on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:48 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Minnesota is probably salivating at the way Pau is playing, dreaming of doing that with Rubio.


This made me laugh, because I came into this thread to post "Somewhere Kahn is foaming at the mouth at the thought of trading for this guy..."
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Elle on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:53 am

Sometimes I doubt some understand the meaning of the word "loyalty", anyhoo I'm going to leave this conversation before my brain bursts.
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Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:56 am

This is all true but I want to address something.

Pau is a tradeable asset because of his large contract correct? Him being on the wrong side of 30 helps the cause. But also does the fact that he hasn't been performing. He also has some defensive shortcomings. However, recently we have been riding him to a string of victories. It's no damn coincidence that the Laker's late season success was simultaneous with Pau's return. His offense is fantastic and though he's not the same player under the basket as a few years ago, putting up a 17/20/11 line is no joke.

Now you look at Dwight. On the right side of 30. Has questionable motivation and winning instinct but has proven himself a physical specimen. Can potentially be "the man" for the Lakers from a franchise standpoint, but definitely won't be "the man" to win it all. Is a defensive freak, anchor, and huge asset on that end of the floor. Offensively he is completely challenged. Can't create a shot for himself. Gets in major foul trouble, has trouble staying in games at times. Free throw shooting is horrendous. Is a fun guy to be around, teammates like him.

Pretty much it comes down to age. If Pau was 29 I'd absolutely re-sign Dwight and trade him. I hate having to lose Pau, but if we can't keep both we have to go with Howard. He's younger and we potentially haven't seen him at his best. Am I happy with it? No...but I'm not Kwame Brown mad.

We're going to have to confirm Dwight's extension before moving Pau is an option. That being said, this playoff run could solidify him riding out his contract in LA. Nash is a question mark and could retire. Don't expect Kobe's $30M to eat our cap space for half the season without him on the floor. Something is going to happen....either he's going to come back or we're going to use the injury exception or.....or.... :man4:

The way this season has ended 29-12, there is absolute reason to try it again if your Jim & Mitch, with some minor tweaks. That keeps 2014 an option, and we're still able to "compete". Same reason MDA will be our coach in October :bang:

We'll make minor changes and sign guys on the cheap a la Miami. My only hope is that Nash retires, Clark works on his game, and we push over the cap for one more year to get a young guard and make some bench improvements.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Nikez on Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:13 pm

We need to try the pau and dwight game at least another year IMO
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Dratini927 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:34 pm

Nikez wrote:We need to try the pau and dwight game at least another year IMO


The chemistry is coming together, slowly but surely. I think the Kobe injury is a blessing in disguise because it will help these two work together more when they're both on the floor. The last 2 games their spacing has been much better, and the high-low game has worked as well. When Dwight shoots his shots, Pau is generally there to either get the offensive board, or smack it back out for another possession.

If this connection becomes greater, it might be hard to let Pau go. It seems it would be hard to balance finances and team chemistry if it came down to the two. However, this just may be a one-off from Pau to help increase his trade value. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double (344)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:56 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:The results were great and Pau had a great game.

He still frustrates the crap out of me with his pass first mentality when deep in the paint or post because he has the skill to make the shot himself... and at a much higher percentage than Meeks and MWP can make 3 pointers... while the assists get pointed to as a positive for him I tend to disagree. You don't want your 7'-1" PF 4 feet away from the hoop leading your team in assists.... The play where he was being guarded by Harden in transition 3 feet from the hoop and passed cross court to MWP for a fade away corner 3 was maddening....

He rose to the occasion and deserves credit.... good game.

Shades of last year's Game 4 gaffe against OKC... I wonder if ANYONE ever mentions those types of plays to him? They do have film sessions don't they? Gasol has me muttering to myself...freaking Carlos Delfino on him. Carlos Delfino! I say things like "Sweet Baby Jesus, Blake, Meeks, Dancing Barry, SOMEONE, ANYONE get him the ball!"...


The fans complain when we take too many 3's.... and rightfully so, but do they see where the pass comes from to the so called shooters we have?.... most of the time they are coming from out 7'-1" PF standing 5' from the basket.... that is the maddening part for me.....

If Pau is really feeling better and is even 80% of the player he was 2 years ago right how can anyone here really say they want him passing up a post move 5 feet from the hoop for a MWP or Meeks 3 point shot?....

He got some assists but he also passed out of 5 or 6 easy opportunities for clanks from 3 point land.... and the one late in the game with Harden on him alone on one side of the floor early in the shot clock was one of the worst examples it.

WTS he's looking a little better in the post and seems to be regaining his outside touch a little.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:13 pm

Elle wrote:Sometimes I doubt some understand the meaning of the word "loyalty", anyhoo I'm going to leave this conversation before my brain bursts.


So take Shaq as an example. The man brought 3 rings to this team, 4 appearances to the finals, and yes, like Pau, he's had his fair share of "drama". We trade him...

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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:14 pm

if you dont trade Pau the best you can do is sign another meh player with the mini MLE, all the old guys are just gona be another year older, another year to get slower etc.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:20 pm

khmrP wrote:if you dont trade Pau the best you can do is sign another meh player with the mini MLE, all the old guys are just gona be another year older, another year to get slower etc.


Age also equals injuries....
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:36 pm

To me it feels like the people who would have rather kept Bynum instead of moving on and getting Dwight. In just a one-for-one swap, there were people saying we shouldn't make that move.

In this instance, while Pau is playing some truly fantastic basketball, it's in our best interest to trade him while his stock is high so we can bring back a young stud guard, or at least a guard that can create for himself/others and will work well with Dwight.

It's more important to do that now than ever before.

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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Weezy on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:43 pm

It really isn't being disloyal, it's in the best interest of the franchise to trade him while he still has value. If we keep him and he sucks next season or goes down with a bad injury people will be screaming "why didn't we trade him when we had the chance?". He makes 20 mil, he's a huge expiring contract and he's showing he can still play, that is great for us in the trade market. He is our only piece to get younger and more athletic players, whether it's a promising young guard or an athletic SF plus nice bench pieces. I'll always be thankful for what Pau brought us, but when the time comes he will need to be traded. If he's not we have very, very limited options for getting new players next season. If we do decide to keep him for loyalty, to play out his career here, then he will have to re-sign for a hugely discounted price after next season in order to stay.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby abeer3 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:53 pm

when he's playing like this, it's obviously much harder to consider trading him. assuming he looks solid in the playoffs, the lakers will be back in the driver's seat in any trade negotiations, though. whereas before, they'd be peddling him all over. i could see them sitting back, and if they don't get what they want in an offer, just rolling with the same team next year. he and dwight seem to be developing chemistry and understanding how not to get in each other's way.

for now, i just want to enjoy getting to see the pau we all love back in action again. these may be the last games we have him, and it's been great overall.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:55 pm

abeer3 wrote:when he's playing like this, it's obviously much harder to consider trading him. assuming he looks solid in the playoffs, the lakers will be back in the driver's seat in any trade negotiations, though. whereas before, they'd be peddling him all over. i could see them sitting back, and if they don't get what they want in an offer, just rolling with the same team next year. he and dwight seem to be developing chemistry and understanding how not to get in each other's way.

for now, i just want to enjoy getting to see the pau we all love back in action again. these may be the last games we have him, and it's been great overall.

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Postby The Rock on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:56 pm

Pau is gone unless Kobe is getting amnestied...and thats not happening.

Lakers aren't paying the hefty penalty to carry this roster. His trade value just skyrocketed
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Postby slimjim on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:17 pm

I understand why it makes sense to trade Pau from a financial POV but that's it.

...here's the thing.

If you trade Pau, Kobe isn't getting that 6th ring.

Kobe and Dwight isn't going to get it done in today's league. (Whoever we get in the Pau trade is going to be an up and coming player, not a championship calibur "ready to win now" player.)

I'm confident in the current roster. Sure there are obvious bench pieces that need improvement but a healthy core of kobe/nash/pau/dwight can make 1-2 more runs at the ring. Loving Pau's play as of late. The complete plantar tear was a blessing in disguise, he has a lot of his mobility back.
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Postby last stand on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:20 pm

depends who you get for pau. Dwight is still on the road to recovery, after a full offseason he'll be bigger, faster, stronger, more agile and therefore better

trading pau though it'll hurt from a name perspective if you get a real backup scorer, and some athleticism along with hills return you lessen the blow.
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Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:20 pm

Health, good coaching, and solid and i mean SOLID role players can do wonders for an aging core

source: http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs
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Postby slimjim on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:27 pm

I can't think of a realistic trade target/player that will give us a better chance at one last championship run than keeping Pau and riding with him until kobe retires.

No one in the league (who's available for trade) trumps Pau in the experience/ready to win now category. Not even close to be honest.

If you trade Pau, might as well amnesty Kobe and do a complete rebuild around Dwight alone.
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Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:32 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Health, good coaching, and solid and i mean SOLID role players can do wonders for an aging core

source: http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs


you're not going to get SOLID role players with the measly mini MLE and mgmt has shown they dont even want to spend the entire thing either in addition with how this season has gone how do you expect health to improve given this team would be another year older? Even with this spurs team their original big 3 health is starting to catch up with them with Parker/Manu and Duncan during the season had several scares with his knee's/ankles.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:34 pm

I disagree slim. An idea that came up recently was that Ellis wants out of Milwaukee. Trade Gasol for Ellis/Mbah-a-Moute/Henson/Udoh or something like that.

It gives the Lakers the creator/scorer they need right now, some good defensive young athletes to pair with Dwight. Then you re-sign Clark and Jamison, bring back a healthy Hill. Use the mini-MLE to find some youth at the 2 spot.

None of those contracts are hard to move. You've found a piece we can use to pair with Dwight in the future. In 2014 we can still sign another big contract as well as bring Kobe back if we want to.

Trading Gasol isn't giving away your best chance to win at all. He's our best chance to win RIGHT NOW because Kobe is out. But with Kobe back, Gasol is less of a premium.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Weezy on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:37 pm

slimjim wrote:I understand why it makes sense to trade Pau from a financial POV but that's it.

...here's the thing.

If you trade Pau, Kobe isn't getting that 6th ring.

Kobe and Dwight isn't going to get it done in today's league. (Whoever we get in the Pau trade is going to be an up and coming player, not a championship calibur "ready to win now" player.)

I'm confident in the current roster. Sure there are obvious bench pieces that need improvement but a healthy core of kobe/nash/pau/dwight can make 1-2 more runs at the ring. Loving Pau's play as of late. The complete plantar tear was a blessing in disguise, he has a lot of his mobility back.


One, there is no proof that whoever we get for Pau couldn't contribute to a championship, those players might even be the missing pieces. Two, he's not getting his 6th ring WITH Pau and this bad bench anyway IMO and pretty much the only way to improve the bench is to trade Pau. And lastly, what based on this season makes you think our core will be healthy next season? They will be older, Nash will have injuries, Pau will have injuries (he always has at least some), and we don't even know when Kobe will be back. Even if they were healthy though, we're not getting past OKC and Miami, we're too old and those teams run all over us. We do not have a few more runs in this core for a ring, the league has passed us by. We saw the beginnings of it when we played OKC in 2010 in the first round and they gave us all we could handle, we knew it would come one day, then they took us out last season and they would do it this season too if we faced them again. We need to get deeper, younger, and more athletic to catch up.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Triple-Double...Doubled (346)

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:47 pm

khmrP wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:Health, good coaching, and solid and i mean SOLID role players can do wonders for an aging core

source: http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs


you're not going to get SOLID role players with the measly mini MLE and mgmt has shown they dont even want to spend the entire thing either in addition with how this season has gone how do you expect health to improve given this team would be another year older? Even with this spurs team their original big 3 health is starting to catch up with them with Parker/Manu and Duncan during the season had several scares with his knee's/ankles.


I get that, but the Miami heat say otherwise. They got Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, and Chris Anderson for less than $8M.

$8M

A lot of those dudes are taking pay cuts for the Heat but we just need a couple more guys like Jamison. It's doable, especially with Dwight and Kobe on the roster.

I really think the Steve Nash experiment should be over. We can't acquire anyone if he retires but it will save us tax $$$.

If Pau is retained we can get the return we need by moving Blake and MWP. Blake is playing well and earning his $4M RIGHT NOW, but who knows about another season.
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Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:50 pm

yea and the HEAT top 3 players are still in their prime
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Postby borri on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:52 pm

Pau is good as gone. Too much $$$.

In the meantime, OJ Mayo just opted out. Antoni is having wet dream right now.
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