Pau Appreciation: UnBullievable, no S&T - Thx 4 the Memories

Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

Yes
53
38%
No
71
52%
Maybe (explain)
12
8%
 
Total votes : 136

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:00 pm

^^^^ :man10: Who also is 24 and hasn't played as many basketball seasons, quite like Pau has.

What about his 24 year old twin brother, Robin Lopez? Well that guy plays in a D'Antoni style offense in the desert and doesn't put up points like his brother does. Has the youth to go up and down the floor, but that style doesn't fit for him.

Which is why its an even more terrible fit for an older Pau.
Image
User avatar
Vasashi17
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 13012
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:38 am
Location: Anywhere Purple & Gold

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Roscoe on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:15 pm

I know Jeremy Lin is a valuable asset to the Rockets but I saw the idea of Pau for a Chandler Parsons/Jeremy Lin combo on an ESPN article and it caught my eye. Obviously contracts don't match up, but a trade in that mold would be just what the team needs. A playmaking younger point guard that can split duty with old man Nash and the athletic, stretch 3/4 we've been looking for. Add in a young wild card like Royce White or Terrence Jones and the Lakers would be looking nice.
Image

"Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere." - Martin Luther King Jr.
User avatar
Roscoe
ClubLakers O.G.
 
Posts: 3151
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 8:22 pm
Location: LA

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:17 pm

I don't think it's fair to judge Pau on either end of the spectrum in terms of no heart vs physical breakdown. I honestly don't see Pau playing with 100% heart and passion despite having a physically limited body. His body is obviously limited, but I see a limited fire and desire as well. I'll be fair and call it 50/50.

Remeber Kobe's comments a few years ago about "the guys can't just be satisfied with two rings"? I think a lot of that was aimed at Gasol. I think Kobe still feels that way towards him, and so do I. I'm with borri on this one. I think the guy has lost some of his thirst after those two titles.
Image
“Action has meaning only in relationship; and without understanding relationship, action on any level will only breed conflict. The understanding of relationship is infinitely more important than the search for any plan of action.”
-Jiddu Krishnamurti
User avatar
Punk-101

 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:24 pm
Location: Orange, CA

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Alcindor on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:17 pm

l8kerboi23 wrote:Hope Kobe was looking at the mirror when he made those comments. When Kobe plays Kobe ball, the lakers lose, as kobe likes to say "It's as simple as that".


That is a grossly incorrect statement. The kind expected from the blind Kobe-hating sector of trolls. You don't win 5 championships with a player who causes you to lose simply by playing their game as "Kobe ball" would imply.

The guy is one of those rare players that can take over a game all by himself when he senses his team is flat. Notice Kobe rarely ever starts off a game aggressive like an AI? He tries to involve the team and if they aren't doing anything his will to win takes over. It's not the most desirable type of ball and he'll be the first to tell you that as well. He's said it many times after games in which he's tried to win by himself "I can't wait around for people to do their jobs" He doesn't do it out of some megalomaniacal disorder, he does it when he feels it's the only chance to win. That doesn't mean he doesn't ever make judgement mistakes about when he should be trying to pass more and shoot less but it comes with the territory, he isn't perfect, he just wants to win.
User avatar
Alcindor

 
Posts: 1827
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:22 pm
Location: North Hollywood

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:29 pm

See, but that is what I don't understand. You play for your country to try and win a medal. You do all this philanthropy, because as a human being, you're trying to make a difference in this world. You sacrifice for the team cause you feel that it will lead to more success.

The desire to achieve is still there in Pau, otherwise why partake in other matters that matter... :man3: Okay, let me try that again...he can collect his salary and just call it a day. Instead, he does alot...ALOT...off the court. He still has alot of love for his country and does what he can for them during summer basketball.

If he didn't want to compete and try to win titles, after he won 2, then why take the botched trade so badly? He still gets paid and goes to a team that wants him....but his championship aspirations decrease. A player that cares and wants to win, will not be receptive in getting traded out of that opportunity...which is exactly how Pau reacted.

To question his heart and desire to win is well....questionable!

IMHO, his regression is more coaching incapacity/FO insanity & deteriorating physicality, rather than a quitter's mentality.
Image
User avatar
Vasashi17
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 13012
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:38 am
Location: Anywhere Purple & Gold

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby borri on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:56 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Borri: You need legs to even shoot the ball. Kobe's flu-game as an example...he started really well and then faded. Remember when Bernie first stepped on after Coach B got tossed...Pau started that game making like 5 jumpshots in a row and then just faded as the game progressed.

Yeah, Pau is afraid to let his team down...but I feel that it is perfectly understandable, why he appears to decline in aggression as the game progresses. While Kobe feels his body failing, he still tosses up jumpers cause he has confidence that he can do so...even at the team's own detriment. On the opposite side of the spectrum, you have Pau who knows his body is failing and believes that if I take this jumper, it comes off of the rim and sparks a transition basket heading the other way. He doesn't want to put the team and himself in that position...meanwhile guys like Kobe think that he has the ability to knockdown the shot and is a detriment to the team for not taking that shot. You got 2 players that have all the ability in the world, but with 2 different mentalities.

An aggressive Pau helps this team...no doubt. But an aggressive Pau with no legs, just gets his shot swatted back into his face repeatedly and now instead of admiration for his aggressiveness, he's now a "female" for not going up stronger.....but how can he, if he doesn't have the legs?


Agree with everything except the legs part. He has knee tendinitis. His legs aren't weak or too tired to shoot. It's not like Pau is a jumpshooter like Kobe. Pau is a set shot. Takes minimal effort from his legs to shoot.

I get that he can't get off the ground and all. Knee tendinitis deters that. But he doesn't jump when he shoots the ball. I don't see how knee tendinitis prevents a set shooter from shooting the ball.
User avatar
borri

 
Posts: 8037
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:16 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:19 pm

UNICEF?!..... Hunger in Africa?.... What the hell happened in here today?.... :man10:

There is enough drama around this without conjecture on top of it....
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22732
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby borri on Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:35 pm

last stand wrote:you need legs to shoot the ball, unless you're brook lopez


Well, it's not like Pau is a jump shooter. He's got a set shot too. He just bends at the knees more.

If Pau can run, which he can, bending his knees slightly, which he does on his set shots isn't going to hurt.

If it hurts when bending at the knees to shoot, then he shouldn't be able to run at all. Which he can. So it's pretty safe to assume that it doesn't hurt him to take a set shot.

You can't tell me that his knee issues are forcing him to not shoot his set shot jumpers because of pain. Knees and legs are two different things. Last I heard it's knee tendinitis not lack of condition to the extent that Pau's legs are gone after 12 mins of play.

So are you saying that Pau's knees are bad and that his conditioning stinks so much that his legs are gone that soon? All i see is, Pau being able to transition in our offense to defense, like he usually does. Problem is he can't get any lift so his shot gets blocked when he close to the rim. We agree on this right?
User avatar
borri

 
Posts: 8037
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:16 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Snake Eyes on Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:51 pm

Coach Nick over at BballBreakdown took some major issues with Pau Gasol and he feels that he needs a change of scenery to get his confidence back. He essentially says that he isn't being aggressive enough.

User avatar
Snake Eyes

 
Posts: 9565
Joined: Tue May 27, 2003 6:44 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby last stand on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:01 pm

i was just making a joke about brook lopez. there was no deeper meaning behind it :man10:
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 7502
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:07 pm

Punk-101 wrote:I don't think it's fair to judge Pau on either end of the spectrum in terms of no heart vs physical breakdown. I honestly don't see Pau playing with 100% heart and passion despite having a physically limited body. His body is obviously limited, but I see a limited fire and desire as well. I'll be fair and call it 50/50.

Remeber Kobe's comments a few years ago about "the guys can't just be satisfied with two rings"? I think a lot of that was aimed at Gasol. I think Kobe still feels that way towards him, and so do I. I'm with borri on this one. I think the guy has lost some of his thirst after those two titles.

THIS
"The first time I ever saw my uniform hanging in the locker I put it on right away, and it just felt like I was putting on golden armour. From that day forward, I just called it 'the golden armour', it just felt like there was something mystical and magical about it" - Kobe Bryant.
User avatar
Finwë

 
Posts: 8079
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:32 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:12 pm

Pau for Randolph straight up? No?
"The first time I ever saw my uniform hanging in the locker I put it on right away, and it just felt like I was putting on golden armour. From that day forward, I just called it 'the golden armour', it just felt like there was something mystical and magical about it" - Kobe Bryant.
User avatar
Finwë

 
Posts: 8079
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:32 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:16 pm

Snake Eyes wrote:Coach Nick over at BballBreakdown took some major issues with Pau Gasol and he feels that he needs a change of scenery to get his confidence back. He essentially says that he isn't being aggressive enough.


Glad this guy sees pau as having a between-the-ears problem as well. My post earlier is demonstrated in the video at the 1:30 mark. Pau almost passes the ball out of bounds as he's trying to get it back to Duhon so quickly for no reason what so ever. No re-post, no surveying the floor, no setting a screen then hand-off, nothing. LO-freaking-L!
Punk-101 wrote:Prime example of the frustrations with Pau: About 8min left in the 4th, Pau playing center, single covered by big baby (edit: oops it was vucevic) at the highpost, entry pass by Duhon, pau hot potatos it back to Duhon. No attempt to repost or get better position, duhon passes it back to pau, pau gives it back again without making any move or even surveying the floor. I don't want to say that this dance happened one more time, but i think it did. Anyone else remember this sequence?
Last edited by Punk-101 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
“Action has meaning only in relationship; and without understanding relationship, action on any level will only breed conflict. The understanding of relationship is infinitely more important than the search for any plan of action.”
-Jiddu Krishnamurti
User avatar
Punk-101

 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:24 pm
Location: Orange, CA

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby last stand on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:17 pm

Finwë wrote:Pau for Randolph straight up? No?


i'd do it. doubt memphis would.
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 7502
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:21 pm

last stand wrote:
Finwë wrote:Pau for Randolph straight up? No?


i'd do it. doubt memphis would.

Maybe they'd be intrigued to see how the Gasol brothers playing together would work out? Maybe that rejuvenates Pau?
"The first time I ever saw my uniform hanging in the locker I put it on right away, and it just felt like I was putting on golden armour. From that day forward, I just called it 'the golden armour', it just felt like there was something mystical and magical about it" - Kobe Bryant.
User avatar
Finwë

 
Posts: 8079
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:32 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:23 pm

Finwë wrote:
last stand wrote:
Finwë wrote:Pau for Randolph straight up? No?


i'd do it. doubt memphis would.

Maybe they'd be intrigued to see how the Gasol brothers playing together would work out? Maybe that rejuvenates Pau?


It's marketable as well.....

WTS... I'm not sure Randolph is the kind of 4 we need... he and his defender would continue to clog the paint and he isn't what I would call a really "mobile" big man either.
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22732
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:26 pm

Pau for Hamed Haddadi is more like it.
Rule of Thumb at ClubLakers - Never encourage people to check your post history.
User avatar
Doc Brown

 
Posts: 19453
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:11 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby last stand on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:26 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Finwë wrote:
last stand wrote:
Finwë wrote:Pau for Randolph straight up? No?


i'd do it. doubt memphis would.

Maybe they'd be intrigued to see how the Gasol brothers playing together would work out? Maybe that rejuvenates Pau?


It's marketable as well.....

WTS... I'm not sure Randolph is the kind of 4 we need... he and his defender would continue to clog the paint and he isn't what I would call a really "mobile" big man either.


well randolph can shoot. probably just as well as pau, though i don't have numbers on it. it depends. atleast he'd make people pay.

having said that he's not the ideal fit.
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 7502
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:40 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Finwë wrote:
last stand wrote:
Finwë wrote:Pau for Randolph straight up? No?


i'd do it. doubt memphis would.

Maybe they'd be intrigued to see how the Gasol brothers playing together would work out? Maybe that rejuvenates Pau?


It's marketable as well.....

WTS... I'm not sure Randolph is the kind of 4 we need... he and his defender would continue to clog the paint and he isn't what I would call a really "mobile" big man either.

I thought about that, even though Pau isn't really making them he is still more of an outside "threat" than Randolph and thus a better floor spacer..
Still, Randolph is night and day from Pau in terms of effort, especially on the glass and in the paint. I dunno, if it was on the table I'd take it.. You can always slide Randolph to the 5 from time to time to rest Howard.
"The first time I ever saw my uniform hanging in the locker I put it on right away, and it just felt like I was putting on golden armour. From that day forward, I just called it 'the golden armour', it just felt like there was something mystical and magical about it" - Kobe Bryant.
User avatar
Finwë

 
Posts: 8079
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:32 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby noobiew on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:42 pm

Seriously I am not sure who is lying here, either the injury is not severe or our coaching/medical staffs are stupid, if Pau is injured, then we should sit and rest him, let him heal on his knees, why we still play him if he is hurts, our coaching and medical staffs can't be that dump right ?
Michael Jordan : "My Chicago team are the all-time greatest"
Magic Johnson : "Put me with Kareem, James Worthy, Cooper and Byron Scott, and we'd dominate your Bulls team"
User avatar
noobiew

 
Posts: 5563
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:55 am

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:58 pm

Finwë wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Finwë wrote:
last stand wrote:
Finwë wrote:Pau for Randolph straight up? No?


i'd do it. doubt memphis would.

Maybe they'd be intrigued to see how the Gasol brothers playing together would work out? Maybe that rejuvenates Pau?


It's marketable as well.....

WTS... I'm not sure Randolph is the kind of 4 we need... he and his defender would continue to clog the paint and he isn't what I would call a really "mobile" big man either.

I thought about that, even though Pau isn't really making them he is still more of an outside "threat" than Randolph and thus a better floor spacer..
Still, Randolph is night and day from Pau in terms of effort, especially on the glass and in the paint. I dunno, if it was on the table I'd take it.. You can always slide Randolph to the 5 from time to time to rest Howard.


Yes.... but maybe that's part of our problem now..... forcing a player that has been comfortable doing something the same way for a long time into doing it differently now. Randolph may not thrive here like he is in Memphis.

I"ve always contended we need to push MWP to the bench and get a real SF that can run, shoot and create.... at the same time get a PF that can initiate the Pick and Roll and shoot the face up jumper. Scola or West for example would be perfect in that role.... no one leaves them open from 18 and in....
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22732
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:17 pm

Maybe we don't need a PF back in a Pau deal for a starting SF? Hear me out......and laugh if I'm crazy.

Nash(32)/Blake(16)
Kobe(26)/Meeks(22)
Starting SF(32)/Kobe(10)/Metta(6)
Jamison(20)/Metta(20)/Hill(8)
Howard(36)/Hill(12)

Gotta get rid of Ebanks and Morris somehow. Duhon and Clark on I/R. Of course we'd be taking back multiple players to match Pau's salary, unless there's a $19mil SF out there for Pau straight up. Anyhow, the point was Metta as the backup stretch 4.
Last edited by Punk-101 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
“Action has meaning only in relationship; and without understanding relationship, action on any level will only breed conflict. The understanding of relationship is infinitely more important than the search for any plan of action.”
-Jiddu Krishnamurti
User avatar
Punk-101

 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:24 pm
Location: Orange, CA

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby last stand on Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:26 pm

i actually don't think it's a bad idea. in fact i've loved the idea for sometime though before i thought ron should play the starting 4 before antawn became antawn again

but as you look around the league there aren't many starting SFs that can be had for pau
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 7502
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:56 pm

Punk-101 wrote:Maybe we don't need a PF back in a Pau deal for a starting SF? Hear me out......and laugh if I'm crazy.

Nash(32)/Blake(16)
Kobe(26)/Meeks(22)
Starting SF(32)/Kobe(10)/Metta(6)
Jamison(20)/Metta(20)/Hill(8)
Howard(36)/Hill(12)

Gotta get rid of Ebanks and Morris somehow. Duhon and Clark on I/R. Of course we'd be taking back multiple players to match Pau's salary, unless there's a $19mil SF out there for Pau straight up. Anyhow, the point was Metta as the backup stretch 4.


Not bad at all... probably the quickest lineup we could field and about the best spacing as well.
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22732
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:05 pm

would Brooklyn part with JJ or would NY part with Melo/ No freaking way, right?
Image
“Action has meaning only in relationship; and without understanding relationship, action on any level will only breed conflict. The understanding of relationship is infinitely more important than the search for any plan of action.”
-Jiddu Krishnamurti
User avatar
Punk-101

 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:24 pm
Location: Orange, CA

PreviousNext

Return to NBA Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 15 guests

cron
Advertise Here | Privacy Policy | ©2008 Sculu Sports. Come Strong.