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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:26 pm

I honestly don't remember that tweet at all, Doc. :man10:

If the Bobcats want Pau, then I'm all for a deal that makes us better. I'm not that high on Gilchrist, but he would give the team something it doesn't have at the SF spot: youth, talent, and athleticism.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby khmrP on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:14 pm

if anybody watch MKG shooting they would realize why Cha is trying to unload him....he sucks at it, he makes MWP look good from distance, in fact he makes MWP look like Steve Nash. He better fix or work on that issue or he's gona get no PT and you guys gona hate him through out the season.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby slimjim on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:19 pm

In regards to Pau, I just don't see a rush in trading him.

1) They have to wait until Howard resigns or not (If he doesn't Pau becomes crucial to the roster)
2) Kobe won't be back until probably Nov/Dec
3) Pau for a draft pick(s)? This draft class is weak and Kobe isn't down for a rebuild.
4) This is Pau's first summer off from basketball activity in a LONG time. His knees and health will thank him. If he can return to 80% of 08 Pau, we have a legitimate shot. (assuming Howard resigns)
5) Pau's trade value (aka his expiring K) will be MOST valuable during the trade deadline.

I think point 4 and 5 are SUPER crucial.

It's low risk, big reward.

- He returns to 08 form (even if it's 80%)? The lakers can make that last run.
- He sucks? His value is highest during the trade deadline anyway. Perfect time to trade him. His value is in his contract. Not his play.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:23 pm

Pau returning to 08 form? :man3:
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:40 pm

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We almost traded for him once, maybe this time we find a deal to do it. Maybe not the one I proposed, but interesting that he's available and we wanted him before.

MKG + #4 for Pau? All day every day. Is that the rumor? Or is it just MKG & not the pick? MKG, Biyombo, & Sessions would be enough for me.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby slimjim on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:26 pm

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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Weezy on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:30 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Remember this....


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Separetely, Lakers interested in Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, would be open to trading Pau for Top-5 pick and right package o' players
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We almost traded for him once, maybe this time we find a deal to do it. Maybe not the one I proposed, but interesting that he's available and we wanted him before.

MKG + #4 for Pau? All day every day. Is that the rumor? Or is it just MKG & not the pick? MKG, Biyombo, & Sessions would be enough for me.


No, this tweet was from before last year's draft, as in the Lakers wanted to trade Pau for a top 5 pick and players in order to draft MKG. It's not that we are looking to trade now for MKG and the 4th pick.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:47 pm

^^ yeah, I was wondering when that tweet came out.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:54 pm

Well at the very least we know Mitch was willing to give up Pau for a shot at MKG + pieces.. So him attempting to get a package built around MKG isn't far fetched. The main problem I see is that they'd want to move some salary in that deal, & that means Ben Gordon or Tyrus Thomas. If the package was MKG, Biyombo, Gordon.. I'd take it.. If you put TT in Gordon's place I pass unless they give up the 5 too.. We can't sacrifice our chance at a star FA, but getting the #5 would give us a chance to draft a young cheap star, which is even better.. Would be an absolute no brainer if we could get Sessions instead of BG or TT.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Aonex on Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:36 am

So with Dwight out the door, looks like Pau is staying. He better be training his a$$ off since he'll be our lone presence down low. Hey, what's Lamar up to these days, maybe we can pair them up together just like old times.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby JLaker17 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:42 am

Dwight leaves still trade Pau. We aren't going to win with Pau on the team with no other upgrades, especially with D'Antoni here. Time to get younger.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Aonex on Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:45 am

True, I'm thinking trade Pau, promote half of the D-Fenders team to the Lakers, Kobe sits out season, and we put our selves in best position to get #1 overall pick for Andrew Wiggins. :man10:
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby marcelo on Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:03 am

Do the Cavs use nearly all their cap room by trading for Pau?
But they have some young guys, picks.. same with the Bobcats...

It's either that or trying to get on the Aldridge to Bulls scenario... Probably would have to take on Boozer, but maybe you get Deng. I don't know.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:13 pm

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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:17 pm

So.... our choices are...

Howard leaves.... we get nothing. Pau is the starting center and he expires next offseason and we get nothing for his contract. We go below the cap and will only have about 65 Million to spend.

Howard leaves..... we get nothing. Pau is traded for youth and picks.... We need to find a Center, a PF and a back up center.... We go below the cap next year but we have picks and some younger players.

Howard's done a head fake and he stays..... we keep Pau and we maybe make it to the second round. Next year we go below the cap and get nothing for Pau's contract. We will have less to spend because of Howard's Max deal and a total of about 65 M to build with and 8 open roster spots.

Howard's done a head fake and he stays..... we trade Pau for picks and youth. We trade Nash for picks and a TPE to a contender.... We trade MWP to a contender for a TPE and a second rounder....we go below the cap next year and sign a very good SF and we will have some decent youth and a few picks to round out the roster......
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby NoisyBook on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:20 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Howard's done a head fake and he stays..... we keep Pau and we maybe make it to the second round. Next year we go below the cap and get nothing for Pau's contract. We will have less to spend because of Howard's Max deal and a total of about 65 M to build with and 8 open roster spots.


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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:25 pm

NoisyBook wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Howard's done a head fake and he stays..... we keep Pau and we maybe make it to the second round. Next year we go below the cap and get nothing for Pau's contract. We will have less to spend because of Howard's Max deal and a total of about 65 M to build with and 8 open roster spots.


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Of the options I presented I like this one the least. Not getting any value for Pau AND signing Howard for Max puts us in a situation where we precious little money to spend and 8 open roster slots to fill.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby NoisyBook on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:38 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Of the options I presented I like this one the least. Not getting any value for Pau AND signing Howard for Max puts us in a situation where we precious little money to spend and 8 open roster slots to fill.


I guess, that's what FO wanted. They begged Dwight to stay. No team wants to get Pau for a quality value.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:42 pm

I want no part of D12 leaving and then keeping Pau because we would HAVE to at that point. Pau isn't leading us anywhere with or without D12 on the team.

He needs to be traded before this season starts. Get what you can for him and move on. The FO is waiting on some superstar player for Pau, while the reality is Pau has gotten worse every year and only worth role players at this point.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Mr. Bryant on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:47 pm

@ KevinDing
Here is the Lakers' plan if Dwight leaves: Keep Pau for final year of his deal. Use amnesty provision to ...
cut Metta and save $30 million in luxury-tax payments. Re-sign Earl Clark if reasonable, sign someone else on the cheap and/or plug in Meeks or Blake to the starting lineup that will have two vacancies without Dwight and Metta but still Pau. Jordan Hill is the only other frontcourt player under contract right now.

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The Lakers' plan if Dwight stays? Much different. Pau is all but a goner, most likely via amnesty provision to ...
save more than $60 million in luxury-tax payments. The oft-traveled path of trying to trade Pau remains in play if Dwight stays -- though a scenario that brings back some talent and doesn't cause payroll risks for the future is so far unknown. Metta, not Pau, gets to stay for the final season on his Lakers' contract. Earl Clark remains a candidate to return because Pau's power-forward spot would be open (though Metta playing more PF makes sense to me). 27 minutes ago


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Postby NoisyBook on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:52 pm

Nash with Meeks(or Blake) in the starting lineup? Nooooooooooooooooooo
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:54 pm

Mr. Bryant wrote:
@ KevinDing
Here is the Lakers' plan if Dwight leaves: Keep Pau for final year of his deal. Use amnesty provision to ...
cut Metta and save $30 million in luxury-tax payments. Re-sign Earl Clark if reasonable, sign someone else on the cheap and/or plug in Meeks or Blake to the starting lineup that will have two vacancies without Dwight and Metta but still Pau. Jordan Hill is the only other frontcourt player under contract right now.

@KevinDing
The Lakers' plan if Dwight stays? Much different. Pau is all but a goner, most likely via amnesty provision to ...
save more than $60 million in luxury-tax payments. The oft-traveled path of trying to trade Pau remains in play if Dwight stays -- though a scenario that brings back some talent and doesn't cause payroll risks for the future is so far unknown. Metta, not Pau, gets to stay for the final season on his Lakers' contract. Earl Clark remains a candidate to return because Pau's power-forward spot would be open (though Metta playing more PF makes sense to me). 27 minutes ago


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Good stuff although I HAVE to believe that the Lakers would be able to flip Pau for not much in return. It would be better to trade him for a few role players than to amnesty him and be stuck with Artest.

I'd think they could trade Gasol away to somewhere like Atlanta or something and then use the amnesty on Artest anyway.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:56 pm

Those scenarios that Ding presented are wreak of poor decision making......

If Dwight leaves....

Why keep Pau? Why not trade him for youth/role players/picks and build. We are going to suck with Pau at center no matter what. Get what you can for him and not just let him expire.

Plug Meeks or Blake into the starting lineup? So we are admitting that we are going to suck by doing this, but we aren't going to trade Pau to get a headstart at rebuilding?

Just letting Pau expire is stupid. But it seems the asylum is being run by idiots, so it's not surprising.

If D12 stays.....

Why would you amnesty Pau's expiring deal? Why not trade him? You've been holding out trading him for all these good deals that we've passed on only to amnesty him. That's a joke and that's very poor management of personnel.

So if D12 stays you put him back in an offense with MWP? If D12 stays we have a chance to win now, why not trade Pau for those role players we need and amnesty MWP?

Both scenarios are just terrible decision making due to the reluctance of the FO to make moves when they were necessary. Now we are left with the bag full of s*** no one wants.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Weezy on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:56 pm

Please god tell me neither of those scenarios is true. Blake or Meeks as starter with Pau if Dwight leaves? Amnesty Pau and get nothing for him if Dwight stays? I guess we're not doing jack before Dwight decides, certainly noting tonight, if this stuff is true our season is over before it starts. The 2014 plan is nice and all, but how much they are invested in it seems crazy to me, you swing and miss there you're screwed.

You see that as "good stuff" real? I see that as nightmare worst case scenario as plan A and plan B
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:09 pm

Good stuff as in "actual news".

Not rumors that get debunked in the next few hours and things that don't make much sense.

Obviously those scenarios don't take into account any players we might be adding and we're far from a full roster right now. I don't think there's much traction to the idea of Meeks or Blake starting.
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