Player, not coach, is to blame...guess who?

Player, not coach, is to blame...guess who?

Postby lalfan on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:27 pm

Let's play a game of name that person, here are the clues:

1. Mike Brown made a living out of milking his star player without any kind of set offense, so why all of sudden he was so eager to implement the Prince Offense AFTER we traded for the best pick 'n roll combo in the league? who's game is he protecting? clue no. 1

2. Mike Brown is a bad coach, but I don't think he will jeopardizing his job by keep playing MWP heavy minutes and allowing him freedom on the offensive end. Now who on the team claimed MWP is the only player he'll go to war with? clue no. 2

3. Remember when we first traded for Sessions last year and our offense got a jump start, and certain anonymous player claimed he plays too fast, hence reverted back to more minutes for Blake and totally ruined Session's confidence and psychic. Now who could that player be? Gasol? nah, he's too nice to say anything, Bynum? nah, he and Brown barely talk, MWP? nah, he's just a role player. clue no. 3

4. Remember certain player kept his silence for months after Lakers first hired Brown? and all of sudden embraced him with open arms? could there be some kind of deal been struck behind the scene between this player and Brown so they look out for each other down the road? clue no. 4

5. Now, what kind of player keeps taking baits from media by claiming this is his team every chance he gets? even though everyone including their grandmas know that without saying. clue no. 5

now, before i get flamed, please take a deep breath and think about all these, are they all coincidences? Why did the Princeton offense surfaced after we traded for Nash, who's ball dominance is like a breath of fresh air to this staled offense. Now, think about it.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby MambaFromDownUnder on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:30 pm

trade kobe, he is a team cancer.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby LakerFan1235 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:33 pm

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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby NeeJee on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:34 pm

You're seriously blaming Kobe?

Wow.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby JGC on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:35 pm

I was excited to click in to this thread when I read the title in the forum, and then rolled my eyes when I read your post.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:35 pm

Team loses respect for the coach, team doesn't play with passion.
Plays Morris, sits Meeks, uses MWP as a backup SG (sometimes Blake) Uses Jamison at the 3, has trouble communicating the message on both ends of the floor to his team, at one point had a line-up of Morris/Ebanks/Jamison/Hill/Pau in the game, when Nash is here he uses him like Fisher, he's the problem.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 pm

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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby gill on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 pm

As I said in the MB thread already, anyone still want to defend the Potato tonight should just bang their head til it bleeds...

Don't want to sound mean... just had to say it.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby NeeJee on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 pm

The "culprit" is no player. "clue no.1"
The "culprit" looks curiously like a burnt potato. "clue no. 2"
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:39 pm

Kobe is about the last one who isn't to blame. Hill gives effort all the time.... he's not a great or even very good player but he leaves it all out there.... Tonight, only Kobe and Hill played like they cared in the second half..... Pau, Howard and the rest of the bench just went through the motions especially on defense.... There were a couple times where Pau and Howard were looking at each other in disbelief that another Jazz player beat them both to a ball or to the hoop....

What I was from Kobe at the end wasn't good.... he was pissed at everyone's effort..... you could see it. Having an idiot for a coach is one thing but to put out that effort in the 4th game of a new season is another.... It shall be interesting.....
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby thisbjgz on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:40 pm

LOL. This is just comedy.

and fyi i read your whole post and analyzed it. Only to find myself dumbfounded for even thinking twice what you wrote.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Alcindor on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:41 pm

Really expected to see like 1 post count not 1896 after reading that. First time out of the troll closet?

That was a laugher.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:42 pm

gill wrote:As I said in the MB thread already, anyone still want to defend the Potato tonight should just bang their head til it bleeds...

Don't want to sound mean... just had to say it.


I don't disagree.... but the effort tonight by professionals and the body language isn't all Brown's fault either.... there are chemistry issues beyond his control I think.... Changing coaches may snap it back into shape but the body language between Pau and Howard wasn't good at all.....
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby followwind on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:42 pm

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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby gill on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:43 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
gill wrote:As I said in the MB thread already, anyone still want to defend the Potato tonight should just bang their head til it bleeds...

Don't want to sound mean... just had to say it.


I don't disagree.... but the effort tonight by professionals and the body language isn't all Brown's fault either.... there are chemistry issues beyond his control I think.... Changing coaches may snap it back into shape but the body language between Pau and Howard wasn't good at all.....


Howard is ok with me, still trying to get into game shape. He's actually trying out there and talking to the guys on the bench.

Pau on the other hand... dude's done.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby followwind on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:46 pm

gill wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
gill wrote:As I said in the MB thread already, anyone still want to defend the Potato tonight should just bang their head til it bleeds...

Don't want to sound mean... just had to say it.


I don't disagree.... but the effort tonight by professionals and the body language isn't all Brown's fault either.... there are chemistry issues beyond his control I think.... Changing coaches may snap it back into shape but the body language between Pau and Howard wasn't good at all.....


Howard is ok with me, still trying to get into game shape. He's actually trying out there and talking to the guys on the bench.

Pau on the other hand... dude's done.

Howard, still recovering from the injury, had 19 and 9 tonight.

Meanwhile, Pau Gasol went 2-9, 5 points 7 rebounds 2 assists. If that's not "done" I am not sure what is.
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Postby The Original 81 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:46 pm

What is this? I don't even...Wow.

To add to the Howard/Gasol dynamic, I just don't think this "twin towers" frontcourt is an advantage anymore. More specifically, I think Howard would be better off playing alongside an athletic PF.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby TIME on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:46 pm

I'm gonna say Col. Mustard with the candlestick in the kitchen.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:48 pm

The main culprit is Pau (if not Brown)....At least on the defense end....

I saw the same hands in the air that Bynum used to give Pau, by D12 tonight. The only difference this time is people will side with D12 now because he's a DPOY and Bynum wasn't last year.

Pau completely effs up the secondary rotations and whenever D12/Bynum contests, Pau is standing and watching.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Finwë on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:50 pm

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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Finwë on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:50 pm

Doc Brown wrote:The main culprit is Pau (if not Brown)....At least on the defense end....

I saw the same hands in the air that Bynum used to give Pau, by D12 tonight. The only difference this time is people will side with D12 now because he's a DPOY and Bynum wasn't last year.

Pau completely effs up the secondary rotations and whenever D12/Bynum contests, Pau is standing and watching.

This. Pau's P&R D and help D is so bad he just Fs up the entire team's ability to get stops.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:55 pm

gill wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
gill wrote:As I said in the MB thread already, anyone still want to defend the Potato tonight should just bang their head til it bleeds...

Don't want to sound mean... just had to say it.


I don't disagree.... but the effort tonight by professionals and the body language isn't all Brown's fault either.... there are chemistry issues beyond his control I think.... Changing coaches may snap it back into shape but the body language between Pau and Howard wasn't good at all.....


Howard is ok with me, still trying to get into game shape. He's actually trying out there and talking to the guys on the bench.

Pau on the other hand... dude's done.


:man3: Where did I say Howard wasn't ok?.... I just noted that the dynamic between the two on both ends of the floor wasn't good at all.... It has nothing to do what what kind of shape Howard is in either.... it was body language and lack of effort by both of them in the 4th that was really obvious. Kobe glared at them both toward the very end of the game.....

While Brown is obviously an idiot of the first degree.... not sure this is directly related... maybe it's just working things out but it was not a good interaction and they both seemed to give up while a couple others were playing hard.

The more I think about it.... I'd like to see us try Jeff Van Gundy.... he can fix the defense or die trying and the offense can take care of it's self if you let Nash be Nash..... He also has the swag and respect to smooth over the cracks.....
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Re: Player, not coach, is to blame...guess who?

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:57 pm

I had to change the title cause I was getting it confused with the Mike Brown thread.

Also, the OP is entitled to his opinion. I'm respectfully asking that members refrain from attacking the OP...but by all means destroy the material in his post. Sorry, but I have to disagree completely with the idea that Kobe is to blame. We know this guy wants a 6th ring. He doesn't care about the offense catering to him or being the man...he wants the ring.

One thing I will say is that Pau really looks "broken" out there. Great great dude, but he reminds me of a another very talented big man that slowed waaaaay down at the end of his career...Arvydas Sabonis.

Artest has his moments, but the ball sticks way too much when it gets to him and the only person I want to see that happen with are Kobe, Nash, Dwight and ironically Pau.

Aside from a Brown departure, I could see Pau and Artest being put on the block. But first, I would like to see what another coach could do with this veteran team first.
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Re: Mike Brown is horrible, but he's NOT the main culprit

Postby dj vitus on Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:10 pm

TIME wrote:I'm gonna say Col. Mustard with the candlestick in the kitchen.

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Re: Player, not coach, is to blame...guess who?

Postby Balance&Options24 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:14 pm

i blame Kobe too, for actually trying, if it wasn't for him we would be 0-5.
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