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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 279 to pass Kareem

Postby Finwë on Mon May 14, 2012 5:34 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:An early exit last season kind of messed up my prediction but he should still end his career as the all-time leading post-season scorer. I think just barely though, it really depends on if the Lakers can stay competitive after this season. A lot of question marks there.

If he does become the playoffs all-time leading scorer, don't you think that's a better argument for greatness than being the regular season all-time leading scorer?
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 279 to pass Kareem

Postby Rooscooter on Mon May 14, 2012 6:02 pm

Finwë wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:An early exit last season kind of messed up my prediction but he should still end his career as the all-time leading post-season scorer. I think just barely though, it really depends on if the Lakers can stay competitive after this season. A lot of question marks there.

If he does become the playoffs all-time leading scorer, don't you think that's a better argument for greatness than being the regular season all-time leading scorer?


One thing you have to look at is the number of AVAILABLE playoff games. Because of format changes, numbers of teams and length of series changes Kareem didn't have the same number of AVAILABLE games each year that Kobe has. If Kareem had played under the current formats he would be quite a bit in front of Kobe.....

Kareem played 237 playoff games...... Kobe 215 so far. Kareem averaged 24.3 in those games. Kobe is averaging 25.5. Kareem's last two year lowered his post season average quite a bit...
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 279 to pass Kareem

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon May 14, 2012 6:18 pm

Yes, Roo, but we don't penalize Russell for playing many less playoff games than the modern era en route to his 11 titles.

Number three in playoff points scored is impressive, considering that Kob has only been to the finals 7 times, so far.
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 279 to pass Kareem

Postby Rooscooter on Mon May 14, 2012 6:33 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Yes, Roo, but we don't penalize Russell for playing many less playoff games than the modern era en route to his 11 titles.

Number three in playoff points scored is impressive, considering that Kob has only been to the finals 7 times, so far.


I'm just pointing out that Kareem didn't have the opportunities to play as many games. The competition was a little stronger because of fewer teams as well. It's impossible to compare era's and say one is greater than the other IMO. If Kareem has played in the current format he'd have significantly more points IMO at the end.

It would seem to me that points per game is a better measure given a minimum number of games. In that case Kobe and Kareem are among a list of players that seemed to score well in the playoffs. AI, Jordan, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, George Gervin, Dirk and Hakeem all have higher averages than either of those two.....
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 203 to pass Kareem

Postby trodgers on Sat May 19, 2012 7:22 am

Updated. Some notes on other LA players in the Playoffs:

Pau Gasol
Tonight will be his 100th career playoff game, making him one of 121 players to do that.
Rebounds: 47th 947
Blocks: 18th 187
Points: 71st 172

Andrew Bynum
Rebounds: 150th 484
Blocks: 52nd-t 107
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 203 to pass Kareem

Postby trodgers on Sat May 19, 2012 7:34 am

By the by, Bynum is building a fascinating playoff resume.

Bynum's Playoff Performance by Year
2k5/2k6: 2.0 mpg, 0.0 pts, 0.0 ast, 0.0 reb, 0.0 blk
2k6/2k7: 11.0 mpg, 4.0 pts, 0.0 ast, 4.6 reb, 0.4 blk
2k7/2k8: 17.4 mpg, 6.3 pts, 0.4 ast, 3.7 reb, 0.9 blk
2k8/2k9: 24.4 mpg, 8.6 pts, 0.5 ast, 6.9 reb, 1.6 blk
2k9/2k10: 32.0 mpg, 14.4 pts, 0.8 ast, 9.6 reb, 1.4 blk
2k10/2k11: 37.3 mpg, 17.2 pts, 1.4 ast, 12.0 reb, 3.4 blk

Career: 23.8 mpg, 9.4 pts, 0.6 ast, 6.7 reb, 1.5 blk

22 times a player has gone through the playoffs averaging 17/12/3, most recently Dwight Howard (2007/2008). Bynum is currently on pace. BTW, multiple appearances: Kareem (4), Duncan (2), Admiral (5)
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Re: Finals Points: Kobe 10th All-Time; 36 to pass Magic

Postby JUST-MING on Sat May 19, 2012 11:36 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:We don’t penalize Russell for playing many less playoff games than the modern era en route to his 11 titles. Number three in playoff points scored is impressive, considering that Kob has only been to the finals 7 times, so far.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is No. 2 on the finals scoring list (10 Finals) while Russell is No. 5 (12 Finals).

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                                            Games if averaging:
                                            20ppg   25ppg   30ppg
1.  Jerry West           1,679 (+  742)     38      30      25
2.  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  1,317 (+  380)     19      16      13
3.  Michael Jordan       1,176 (+  239)     12      10       8
4.  Elgin Baylor         1,161 (+  224)     12       9       8
5.  Bill Russell         1,151 (+  214)     11       9       8
6.  Sam Jones            1,139 (+  202)     11       9       7
7.  Tom Heinsohn         1,035 (+   98)      5       4       4
8.  John Havlicek        1,018 (+   81)      5       4       3
9.  Magic Johnson          972 (+   35)      2       2       2
10. Kobe Bryant            937
11. Julius Erving *        928 (-    9)
12. Shaquille O’Neal       865 (-   72)
13. James Worthy           754 (-  183)
14. George Mikan           741 (-  196)
15. Larry Bird             716 (-  221)

* - Points are combined ABA + NBA

I looked it up a few years ago. What got me interested was a game note from the 2009 NBA Finals.

ESPN wrote:Bryant (707) passed Dennis Johnson (676) for 16th on the finals scoring list. Next is Bob Pettit (709).

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I wanted to know who were in the Top 15 and compiled a list. Remove Erving for an NBA only’ list.
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 203 to pass Kareem

Postby Finwë on Sat May 19, 2012 12:08 pm

^^ nice find.
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 203 to pass Kareem

Postby odom1year on Thu May 24, 2012 7:44 am

In game 5, Kobe set the NBA playoffs record:

Most FGA (33) without an assist !
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Re: Playoff Points: Kobe 3rd All-Time; 203 to pass Kareem

Postby trodgers on Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:41 pm

Bump. Not yet updated...
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:00 pm

Hope he gets his 30,000 quick so we can get back to playing team basketball
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby odom1year on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:40 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:Hope he gets his 30,000 quick so we can get back to playing team basketball


It's sad that nothing is changed till now. Hope he can wake up after Pau and Nash coming back. Actually I dont think he will.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:00 am

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GoldenKnight wrote:Hope he gets his 30,000 quick so we can get back to playing team basketball


It's sad that nothing is changed till now. Hope he can wake up after Pau and Nash coming back. Actually I dont think he will.


I'd honestly like to know what % of your almost 2,700 posts has included a Kobe bash. Whether he deserved it or not. 80%? 90%? 95%? :bang: One trick pony.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby odom1year on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:42 pm

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odom1year wrote:
GoldenKnight wrote:Hope he gets his 30,000 quick so we can get back to playing team basketball


It's sad that nothing is changed till now. Hope he can wake up after Pau and Nash coming back. Actually I dont think he will.


I'd honestly like to know what % of your almost 2,700 posts has included a Kobe bash. Whether he deserved it or not. 80%? 90%? 95%? :bang: One trick pony.


If you really watched Kobe's offense and defense in recent games, you should understand.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:53 pm

I don't either.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby trodgers on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:12 am

Updated.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby John3:16 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:14 am

trodgers wrote:Updated.


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About 40 games to pass Wilt.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby therealdeal on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:21 am

He only needs 347 playoff points to pass Jordan... If they make a deep run and he averages something like 28 points per game, that's 13 games. Who knows if they make it this season, but damn...

As for this season, if he were to keep up this pace (I think he'll drop a bit) he'll pass Wilt on March 13th in Atlanta. Crazy...
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby trodgers on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:53 am

^ He's shooting 45-40-86 during that span. That's none too shabby.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby therealdeal on Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:00 am

Wow you're right, I didn't even think of that. Just crazy numbers. I think the shot attempts in the last 7 games (24.86) drops closer to his average of 20.7, but I also think his efficiency rises to about 47-48% once Nash is back at the helm.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 Tonight

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:02 am

therealdeal wrote:Wow you're right, I didn't even think of that. Just crazy numbers. I think the shot attempts in the last 7 games (24.86) drops closer to his average of 20.7, but I also think his efficiency rises to about 47-48% once Nash is back at the helm.


This. Despite popular hater opinion, Kobe has been happy in the past to scale back and become more efficient. The problem is, if tthe rest of the team is playing poorly he only has one solution, and its to save the team himself with scoring.

Sometimes it works and he's the hero, and sometimes.... well...
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 / next up; Wilt

Postby John3:16 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:10 am

About 15 games away from passing Wilt. :bow: :bow:
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 / next up; Wilt

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:57 am

By my count it's 18 games :man1:

But definitely he's close. It should happen by the end of the season at the latest... Wow. Then he's in the rarified air of the top 4. Next up Jordan. If he scores 26.6 points per game the rest of this season and into next season, he'll pass Jordan about 24 games into the 2013-2014 season.

And that's where he'll probably land. :man10: because I doubt he plays enough to catch up to Karl, let alone Kareem. Those guys are just way out in front.
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Re: Points: Kobe 5th All-Time; 30,000 / next up; Wilt

Postby 100%effort on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:58 am

What's his current total?
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