Position Analysis: Small Forward

Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby trodgers on Thu May 02, 2013 9:30 am

POSITION SUMMARY: SMALL FORWARD
Metta World Peace 2530 minutes
Antawn Jamison 1636 minutes
Earl Clark 1363 minutes
Devin Ebanks 197 minutes
-Metta has held down the SF spot for the Lakers for the past four seasons, and barring massive changes he would enter next season as the favorite to maintain that streak. Antawn Jamison split time between the two Forward spots, but he seems better suited toward the 3. Earl Clark came out of nowhere to log 1300 minutes over the last four months of the season. Ebanks was quickly relegated to the bench, and he seldom left that spot.

SCORING EFFICIENCY
Jamison 5.7
MWP 5.3
Clark 5.0
Ebanks 4.9
-Neither Ebanks nor Clark is much of a scorer, and Metta is at best a streaky three-point shooter. Antawn Jamison was clearly the most consistent offensive threat at the SF position. His numbers weren't bad, as he averaged 1.23 points per FGA.

PASSING EFFICIENCY
Ebanks 2.1
Clark 2.1
MWP 2.0
Jamison 1.7
-None of LA's SFs should be thought of as skilled ball handlers or good passers. They're all tightly clustered in what would be fair to call "barely adequate" at taking care of the ball. It is one of several weaknesses of the position.

HUSTLE EFFICIENCY
Clark 3.1
MWP 2.9
Jamison 2.9
Ebanks 2.4
-The worst news here is that Ebanks was supposed to grow into a new role, the hustling slasher. He did neither this season. Earl Clark, on the other hand, showed an adeptness at doing at least some of that. Metta's hard-nosed play and Jamison's opportunistic play on D seem to have paid off for them.

OFFENSIVE RATING (Composite of other three)
Jamsison 76
MWP 64
Clark 61
Ebanks 55
-There is not a player on that list worthy of a spot in a starting lineup based simply off offensive production. Ebanks probably doesn't deserve a spot in the rotation, period. Jamison's play is worthy of a first man off the bench role, and that's roughly what he was. Metta's declining offensive game coincides with Clark's likely growing game, meaning that Metta's number is disappointing going forward despite being higher than Clarks's (which should be encouraging).

CONTRACT SITUATION
World Peace is due $7.7M if he activates a Player Option. He'd be a fool not to do that, as he wouldn't get within $2M of that on the open market. Clark, Jamison, and Ebanks are all Free Agents. All made at or close to the league minimum this season.

FINAL ANALYSIS
Despite there not being much money tied up in the SF position, it's a real problem for the Lakers. World Peace should probably be bought out if he cannot be traded. His defense and offense both fell off this season, and there is no reason to suppose they'll improve. The only caveat is that Metta is obviously one of only two Lakers whose competitive nature can never be questioned. Ebanks found himself riveted to the pine, and he's likely gone. The way Antawn Jamison was treated this season should be a case study in how not to handle a veteran player. There is almost no way he will return to this team, leaving a gaping hole at 6th man. Earl Clark should be brought back. He struggled enough to make him a bargain buy for a couple of seasons, but he showed enough on defense to make him a borderline starter.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby therealdeal on Thu May 02, 2013 9:59 am

This is the position that needs the most work. Honestly moving on from Peace would be the best thing for the team, but I can understand if he's willing to come back cheap.

We need an athlete here. Preferably one that can shoot and/or defend, but definitely an athlete.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby khmrP on Thu May 02, 2013 10:07 am

defintely agree TRDL, this is by far our worse position, starter and backup, not much D not much consistent O. Just absolutely horrible.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu May 02, 2013 10:08 am

I would prefer something from the Tony Allen mold.

Someone who just plays hard every play.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby Rooscooter on Thu May 02, 2013 10:26 am

This position has been our poorest "skill" position for a while. As Pau has had difficulties at the PF it's become even more glaring as a deficiency.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 02, 2013 10:29 am

We need a new starting and backup SF. This isn't 2008 anymore, Ron is declining and it's time for upgrades.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby davriver290 on Thu May 02, 2013 10:46 am

I liked Earl Clark, but I don't know if I want him back. I want a 3 point specialist with some length for defense. Unless Clark just works on it and his ball handling skills. And If Metta comes back cheap, he's gonna have to come off the bench.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby trodgers on Thu May 02, 2013 10:57 am

I don't know if there's a way Metta can come back cheap. I don't know the cap well since the most recent changes; if he declines PO (why would he?), can we re-sign him cheap?
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby thisbjgz on Thu May 02, 2013 12:03 pm

Maybe we can somehow turn Pau into a top 3-10 pick ? and look to get Otto Porter/Victor Oladpo/Ben Mclemore?
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby therealdeal on Thu May 02, 2013 12:16 pm

trodgers wrote:I don't know if there's a way Metta can come back cheap. I don't know the cap well since the most recent changes; if he declines PO (why would he?), can we re-sign him cheap?

If he declined his Player Option, he'd be a free agent and we'd have his bird rights. Then we could sign him for whatever we are willing to offer.

One thing's for certain though, if he accepts that player option he'll be amnestied immediately.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby dj vitus on Thu May 02, 2013 12:44 pm

trodgers wrote:I don't know if there's a way Metta can come back cheap. I don't know the cap well since the most recent changes; if he declines PO (why would he?), can we re-sign him cheap?

From my understanding, yes, it's possible. We can pay him whatever he wants (starting at up to 175% of his previous season's salary) since we have his Bird Rights.

That said, I think he would still make a great backup SF, but that would mean we would need a new starting SF. If only we could get someone like Granger or Iguodala.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu May 02, 2013 1:07 pm

therealdeal wrote:
trodgers wrote:I don't know if there's a way Metta can come back cheap. I don't know the cap well since the most recent changes; if he declines PO (why would he?), can we re-sign him cheap?

If he declined his Player Option, he'd be a free agent and we'd have his bird rights. Then we could sign him for whatever we are willing to offer.

One thing's for certain though, if he accepts that player option he'll be amnestied immediately.



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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby therealdeal on Thu May 02, 2013 1:42 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
trodgers wrote:I don't know if there's a way Metta can come back cheap. I don't know the cap well since the most recent changes; if he declines PO (why would he?), can we re-sign him cheap?

If he declined his Player Option, he'd be a free agent and we'd have his bird rights. Then we could sign him for whatever we are willing to offer.

One thing's for certain though, if he accepts that player option he'll be amnestied immediately.



the business is so cutthroat


MWP: i exercise my player option
FO: ok, see ya later

I mean if we're willing to trade one of the best big men in our franchise's history because of age/monetary constraints then he HAS to know we're not about to pay north of 7 million for him. He HAS to know that.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby karacha on Thu May 02, 2013 1:59 pm

Basically: Jamison is really good as a role-player off the bench. Earl is not a 3, and he should probably come back cheap to play some 4. The rest can go, because our SF position will need a lot of work for us to be competitive. If Metta wants to restructure his contract and be one of our vets off the bench -- fine. If not, he can go do... I don't know... something else.

Ebanks...

Who is Ebanks?
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby Lakerjones on Thu May 02, 2013 3:35 pm

therealdeal wrote:This is the position that needs the most work. Honestly moving on from Peace would be the best thing for the team, but I can understand if he's willing to come back cheap.

We need an athlete here. Preferably one that can shoot and/or defend, but definitely an athlete.


^^ Agreed. Absolutely our weakest roster spot. We definitely need a new starting SF. Maybe we keep MWP as a backup if he restructures his contract, but I don't think he remains here if he picks up that option as is. Too much money. We desperately need help at SF. This is where I'd be trying to improve with a Pau trade or MWP/Blake trade.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby Frank Dux on Thu May 02, 2013 3:55 pm

The small forward position is probably the most athletic position in the league. Metta doesn't get enough flack for how bad he's hurt us over the last couple of years. He can't slash, and he's one of the worst players i've ever seen on a fast break.

I don't like the idea of Metta coming off the bench. We need an athlete in the starting lineup and off the bench as well. Not only is Metta is sluggish, but his decision making is embarrassing for a veteran player in his 30's. His basketball IQ is awful, and then there's the black hole, tunnel vision issue...

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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby karacha on Thu May 02, 2013 4:25 pm

His decision making and shot selection were awful even when he was a star player.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 02, 2013 7:45 pm

Doc Brown wrote:We need a new starting and backup SF. This isn't 2008 anymore, Ron is declining and it's time for upgrades.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri May 03, 2013 7:57 am

This position needs to be upgraded at all costs. We're a liability when it comes to this position. Metta needs to go; Devin is on his way out, hopefully. As somebody pointed out in another thread, the only target I see Pau netting us could be Granger. He is coming off of knee surgery, so do you take the risk? He's an expiring K and could potentially give us what we need at this position.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby thisbjgz on Fri May 03, 2013 12:21 pm

The Truth?! loolololol

ok no..

but...maybe?
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby karacha on Fri May 03, 2013 1:02 pm

The Truth is certainly better than World Piece. :mhihi:
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby lakerland4444 on Sun May 05, 2013 5:15 pm

get andre iguodala!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby The Rock on Sun May 05, 2013 10:14 pm

Kobe should be our SF moving forward. We need a Thabo/Devin Green type guy at the 2. 2008 Sasha would be perfect here
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby karacha on Mon May 06, 2013 6:55 am

^

Well, I think Sasha's contract in Turkey expired this year, so he will be looking for a job. He played well in Europe, on both ends of the floor. He's only 29.
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Re: Position Analysis: Small Forward

Postby JGC on Mon May 06, 2013 7:13 am

therealdeal wrote:
pound4pound1 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
trodgers wrote:I don't know if there's a way Metta can come back cheap. I don't know the cap well since the most recent changes; if he declines PO (why would he?), can we re-sign him cheap?

If he declined his Player Option, he'd be a free agent and we'd have his bird rights. Then we could sign him for whatever we are willing to offer.

One thing's for certain though, if he accepts that player option he'll be amnestied immediately.



the business is so cutthroat


MWP: i exercise my player option
FO: ok, see ya later

I mean if we're willing to trade one of the best big men in our franchise's history because of age/monetary constraints then he HAS to know we're not about to pay north of 7 million for him. He HAS to know that.


Agreed. But I just saw some article saying the Lakers might amnesty Pau. If that's the case, and MWP picks up his option, then, we're stuck with him right? (I am not 100% sure but thought only one player can be amnestied per season or something).
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