Pringles To Save The Day?

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:31 am

therealdeal wrote:I really don't know if there's a solution that wouldn't be a band-aid at this point... Even Jackson would be that at this point.

This whole team is a "band-aid"...... it's together for this year and maybe next (i'm not convinced Pau will be here next year regardless of what we do this year). We don't have a contract that extends beyond that (Howard will resign but he's not under contract now).... Any fix that appears temporary to this team is going to be around longer as the team is....

lakersyunowin · by **lakersyunowin** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:31 am

would prefer sloan, but anything is better than mike brown. mike d'antoni would be fine to me as long as we brought in a solid defensive assistant

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:31 am

Doc Brown wrote:^^^ Roo, you know why it's Bynum's fault.

Who's Bynum?.....

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:33 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:^^^ Roo, you know why it's Bynum's fault.

Who's Bynum?.....

The Don King looking fool, who got blamed for our perimeter defense being horrendous.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:08 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:^^^ Roo, you know why it's Bynum's fault.

Who's Bynum?.....

The Don King looking fool, who got blamed for our perimeter defense being horrendous.

Well..... I think the ones that thought he was the root of our defensive problems are seeing a new light.... He was a different kind of deterrent in the middle than Howard but neither are effective when everyone (including a lot of fans) believe that there is such a thing as a defensive anchor outside a ESPN round table or a newspaper column.... Either can change shots or block them.... either can step out on a pick and roll and either can rotation to a penetrating guard..... what neither of them can do is cover the other 4 players in that situation....... or block out all 5.....

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:11 am

Rooscooter wrote:
The defensive end is a bigger concern of mine actually..... WTH has happened there?.... I'll bet 80% of the shots we given up are with no Laker within 3 feet of the shooter....

^^ I agree although I think we look lost on the other end as well. Yeah, I haven't been a big fan of Brown's D thus far as Lakers head coach, with one exception. I thought he did a good job figuring out OKC last year on that end. Unfortunately his lack of leadership on the offense didn't help in those two fourth quarters that we had the lead and still lost the game.

Another good reason I can see to stick with what we have and just make Jordan head coach is that we have Chuck Person here. I mentioned elsewhere, but I think he's an underrated but very good defensive coach. He did well in that department under Phil. We've actually taken a significant dip in defense since that time as Vash has pointed out several times with numbers to back it up. Letting Jordan run the offense with Bernie behind him, and Chuck at D is solid enough for me. I don't want to start over with Pringles. I don't think he has what it takes.

borri · by **borri** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:19 am

Well, I can't STAND Pringles. One thing is certain....if there's a coach out there who can maximize the offensive talent we have....it's Pringles.

karacha · by **karacha** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:40 am

Positives: Pringles would be OK with the guys working on the new offense and improving it constantly in practice -- but he would also let Nash create with Kobe scoring efficiently on the wing. We know Dwight does not have anything against playing faster and he would certainly benefit from D'Antoni's influence. Pau fits in almost any system, even when he's playing lazy basketball.

Another good thing is that D'Antoni would tell Metta to park his a-- in the corner, wait for the ball and shoot it without dribbling. We all know this is absolutely necessary, because right now Metta doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

More positives: Meeks would play a lot. It would not surprise me to see him play Meeks at the 2 and Kobe at the 3 here and there. DJO would probably also get few minutes on athleticism alone.

This, with slightly improved rotation so you don't totally destroy your aging stars would be enough to win almost 70% of the games they play on smarts and talent alone. But no, leave it to Brown to find a way to not win a game in the last... what... 5 months is it?

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:36 pm

Our defense already sucks, so why not.

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:39 pm

karacha wrote:Positives: Pringles would be OK with the guys working on the new offense and improving it constantly in practice -- but he would also let Nash create with Kobe scoring efficiently on the wing. We know Dwight does not have anything against playing faster and he would certainly benefit from D'Antoni's influence. Pau fits in almost any system, even when he's playing lazy basketball.

Another good thing is that D'Antoni would tell Metta to park his a-- in the corner, wait for the ball and shoot it without dribbling. We all know this is absolutely necessary, because right now Metta doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

More positives: Meeks would play a lot. It would not surprise me to see him play Meeks at the 2 and Kobe at the 3 here and there. DJO would probably also get few minutes on athleticism alone.

This, with slightly improved rotation so you don't totally destroy your aging stars would be enough to win almost 70% of the games they play on smarts and talent alone. But no, leave it to Brown to find a way to not win a game in the last... what... 5 months is it?

This

KB24 · by **KB24** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:48 pm

I would take Sloan or JVG over either.

But right now I'm fed up with Brown....11 straight losses with this roster is unacceptable, no matter if pre-season or not.

lakersStan24 · by **lakersStan24** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:48 pm

well he did a phenominal job with the suns with Nash & Amare and did a decent job with New York So I'd Love Him here either that or Jerry Sloan

davriver290 · by **davriver290** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:53 pm

Wanna know Mikes biggest problem? Failure to utilize substitution patterns effectivley. WTF is up with Meeks getting pt in one game, and a np the next? This is horrible. Jamison at the 3!? We brought him here for back up stretch 4!

Tragic · by **Tragic** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:53 pm

KB24 wrote:I would take Sloan or JVG over either.

But right now I'm fed up with Brown....11 straight losses with this roster is unacceptable, no matter if pre-season or not.

+1

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:28 pm

My first two choices are Sloan/JVG, after that I don't care as long as we get rid of Brown.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:44 pm

karacha wrote:Positives: Pringles ............

I was thinking about this post and couldn't get past this....... 2 years ago he was laughed out of NY... and the slimmest possibility based on a unsubstantiated rumor of him coming here is a "Positive".... Ugh....

Center Court · by **Center Court** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:55 pm

I actually think MDA would be the better choice than Sloan... Sloan is the type of coach who needs an off season and training camp to get his team in order, MDA would be able to step in right now and get us easy wins based off offense alone. Given how familiar he is with Nash it should be no issue. He's also got experience with Kobe and Dwight though the Olympics. Even has a very deep relationship with Kobe.

The roster is tailor made for him too. As others have said, Meeks and Jamison would def find more open looks and Ebanks would really benefit with his ability to slash. He'd actually turn this into a respectable bench.

I see zero chance in Brown being fired... all the drama that surrounds it would be a huge distraction. Plus, he's built a whole staff around him that MDA would probably dismantle except for Persons and Ham. (Which seem to be the 2 strong points and the bridge between players and coaches- can't lost those 2).

As much as I want MDA to happen, it won't. We're stuck with this dummy. Hopefully, Kobe and Nash will take over and do what they know they need too.

karacha · by **karacha** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:03 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
karacha wrote:Positives: Pringles ............

I was thinking about this post and couldn't get past this....... 2 years ago he was laughed out of NY... and the slimmest possibility based on a unsubstantiated rumor of him coming here is a "Positive".... Ugh....

MDA wasn't that bad in NY. In any case, he's a much better coach then Brown. He can sort of... you know.. rotate players properly.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:32 pm

karacha wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
karacha wrote:Positives: Pringles ............

I was thinking about this post and couldn't get past this....... 2 years ago he was laughed out of NY... and the slimmest possibility based on a unsubstantiated rumor of him coming here is a "Positive".... Ugh....

MDA wasn't that bad in NY. In any case, he's a much better coach then Brown. He can sort of... you know.. rotate players properly.

Oh...I don't disagree that he's a decent coach if given the right weapons on offense but considering his lack of success in the playoffs that we'd be even discussing him for the Lakers is telling at just how bad Brown is....

OX1947 · by **OX1947** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:34 pm

jerry sloan, otherwise, might as well keep this schmuck.

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:53 pm

Have there been similar reports from other sources?

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:54 pm

Finwë wrote:Have there been similar reports from other sources?

Not that I know of, I don't even know if that one source is even considered to be reliable.

purp n gold · by **purp n gold** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:05 pm

D'Antoni would have this team scoring 110 ppg, but his brand of run-n-gun can be countered by coaching and adjustments - which it always is in the playoffs. Popovich, Brooks, Carlisle, Karl are all in our conference.

And we all know some of those Phoenix teams were loaded. From a style & player personnel standpoint, those teams were better fit to play run-n-gun than our current roster. Don't get me wrong, we'd still be devastating offensively, but for this team - if defense isn't properly addressed, then we don't make that jump to being contenders. We're not even close right now.

And this answered most of my suspicions about D'Antoni's coaching philosophy. Jalen Rose's account on playing for Pringles:

I played for the Phoenix Suns. 2007. My last season. As were playing against the San Antonio Spurs. And I remember us coming to our first practice before Game 1. And we brought it in. And we were excited about our playoffs getting started. And Coach D'Antoni put in some film. It was Steve behind the back. Amare slam dunk. Shawn Marion with the block. Raja Bell with the charge. It was a highlight film of our team. They have showed me making a shot on there, and I was barely even playing.

So after that he as like all right, we're going to run and down, go through our set plays and whatnot, and we're going to get out of here.

And I looked at Kurt Thomas. I hit him with an elbow. I'm like hold on. I gotta say something.

So I did my Arnold Horshack from "Welcome Back, Kotter."

I'm like "ooh, ooh, ooh, hey coach. I gotta ask a question. Are we going to talk about how we're going to defend Tim Duncan on the post? Are we going to talk about Manu Ginobili in pick and roll? Keeping Tony Parker out of the paint?"

He looked at me in front of the entire team and coaching staff and said: "We're not worried about what they do. If we play to the best of our abilities, and do what we're supposed to do, there is no way they can beat us. We don't mind if Tim goes off. If Tim goes off, that means everybody else is quiet."

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... ah-a-moute

If we make a coaching change, I want McMillan or Sloan. Each can organize a defense, and manage to score 100 ppg with KOBE, NASH, HOWARD and PAU.

ElginTheGreat · by **ElginTheGreat** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:06 pm

Tobias Funke wrote:Id take Pringles over Brown, but that says alot more about how terrible I think Brown is than me viewing Pringles positively.

Basically.

Just don't see him fairing any better than Brown in the playoffs.

CarFlagChris · by **CarFlagChris** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:20 pm

XXIV wrote:Our defense already sucks, so why not.

There would be less turnovers, as people would know the offense.
And I doubt the defense could be worse.
Has anyone noticed Steve Nash's stats? The offense nullifies his skills.

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