Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:35 pm

Nuggets are still decent, but they lost Iggy (and Corey Brewer). They really only have Lawson, Gallinari, Miller, Faried, Chandler, McGee, Foye and they added Hickson and Darrell Arthur, still no real franchise player. If Kobe, Nash, and Pau are healthy I would call us better than them. They also fired Karl and hired Shaw, jury is still out on how that affects them.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby jadej2 on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:39 pm

Weezy wrote:Nuggets are still decent, but they lost Iggy (and Corey Brewer). They really only have Lawson, Gallinari, Miller, Faried, Chandler, McGee, Foye and they added Hickson and Darrell Arthur, still no real franchise player. If Kobe, Nash, and Pau are healthy I would call us better than them. They also fired Karl and hired Shaw, jury is still out on how that affects them.


Yeah expect we still can't them in Denver I mean like it would had mattered because we were bad on the road last season everywhere.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Weezy wrote:Yeah, I feel like optimistically with this all offense, no defense team we have assembled we will be more fun to watch than last season, and I'm glad we have guys here that really want to be here, but I feel like we'll be fighting for the 7th/8th seed again. Thunder, Spurs, Clippers, Grizzlies, Warriors, Rockets all probably better than us IMO, only the Nuggets got worse, and the Pelicans got better too.

I'm still not sold the Rockets are better than us as a team. I think Howard makes them better, but going will be tough at first for their guards because they'll be out of rhythm a bit. And I'm not sold on their bench at all either.

I think if our health luck turns around, we're actually on even footing with that team.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:24 pm

I'm not sold Houston is better than us either, it's why I put them last and said probably. I don't know that their bench is that great with the loss of Delfino and Brooks, with Asik wanting out, and IMO you can't say Beverly is suddenly a consistent quality backup PG based on one playoff series. We might be better than them when healthy, or at least not worse.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:38 pm

Weezy wrote:I'm not sold Houston is better than us either, it's why I put them last and said probably. I don't know that their bench is that great with the loss of Delfino and Brooks, with Asik wanting out, and IMO you can't say Beverly is suddenly a consistent quality backup PG based on one playoff series. We might be better than them when healthy, or at least not worse.

Yeah I mean how effective is Asik going to be in a severely reduced role? Beverley? I'm not sold on him in the slightest. Not to mention Lin, Casspi, and whoever their PFs are now.

I think given a little luck and health this season we could compete with them again for the last few spots in the West.
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Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:04 pm

JSM wrote:
Snakell Beast wrote:Honestly, that team is definitely playoffs...maybe even (depending on Wes and Young improving and working hard and Odom resurging) can get to the WCF...

I like the off-season additions, I like the optimism, but...

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LOL I am serious (great pic btw) definitely optimistic but not out of the realm of possibility. Basically, we'd have the same team we had in '09, except that Steve Nash replaces Fisher, Kaman replaces a Bynum that played sparingly in the playoffs that season.

Farmar and Vujacic are better players now than they were then, Nick Young is at least as good a scorer as Ariza (though not the defender, but since Antoni isn't going to play D anyway we might as well try to outscore teams) Kobe, Pau and ESPECIALLY Lamar are older and can't give as much as they did before, but our bench is deeper in the right places...again IF Wes Johnson becomes, say,a 10-12ppg 6th man type guy, Ryan Kelly can give us Vlad Rad like minutes/role, Hill can be Josh Powell, Sacre can be MBenga, Meeks and Blake can give us Shannon Brown's scoring. I just really like our mix of savvy vets, young athletes and shooting/scoring.

Honestly, there isn't a team in the West right now that I don't feel we could beat in a 7 game series. Kobe has more scoring around him this year, potentially, than he has ever had...and since we still have guys that can score efficiently and rebound well, we can strike a good balance between high scoring and timely defensive stops (since most of the time we will not be good on d) ala the Suns in the early 2000's.

Remember that a lot of people were predicting that Dwight might cause us problems because of the amount of effort and attention it takes to get him scoring opportunities. The guys we have now can all shoot, and don't need many touches to get into a rhythm...so they only need space and Kobe/Pau/Nash create a LOT of space. As long as we are healthy and everyone plays their hearts out, I like our team A LOT right now.

EVERYONE on our team has a decent or even good jump shot. Dwight KILLED floor spacing...Pau and Kaman both create extra space at the center because of their ability to shoot jumpers. Xs and Os wise, if we sign Lamar/Sasha like I said, we are as good as we've been in the last 6 years or so.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:25 pm

Man talk about a 180, you went from "maybe over .500? This season is going to suck!" to "there isn't a team in the West right now that I don't feel confident against in a 7 game series". :man10: I like what we've done, but we haven't become a championship or even WCF team IMO by adding Kaman, Young, Farmar, Johnson, and Kelly and losing Dwight, Jamison, Clark, and some junk. Yeah, we're similar to the '09 team, but this isn't '09, this playoffs will be 2014, that's quite a few years difference. Pau isn't the same, Kaman is not Bynum, we don't even know what Kobe will look like after this injury, and the league is not the same. The West has changed, Thunder, Clippers, Grizzlies, and Warriors have either caught up or gotten better than us, and then there's that superteam in Miami. I like our team better than last season already, but I don't see greatness, one big reason being defense. Our interior defense is almost non-existent if not entirely, and our PG defense being as bad or worse doesn't help that situation, clear path from PG to the rim.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:43 pm

take it easy. best team in the last 6 years?

pau is nowhere what he used to be. we haven't seen farmar or sasha play in a couple years against nba competition. we have no legitimate SF on this team. even if we get lamar, he's not the same player he was 3 years ago. those title teams at least were able to get stops at stretches at a time. i don't know that we have a top 5 defensive player at any of our starting positions on this team.

at best right now, we're a 2nd round team.
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Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:51 pm

Pig Miller wrote:take it easy. best team in the last 6 years?

pau is nowhere what he used to be. we haven't seen farmar or sasha play in a couple years against nba competition. we have no legitimate SF on this team. even if we get lamar, he's not the same player he was 3 years ago. those title teams at least were able to get stops at stretches at a time. i don't know that we have a top 5 defensive player at any of our starting positions on this team.

at best right now, we're a 2nd round team.


I see all those points (except I disagree that my premise is false based solely on the year we are in since my comparison is one of depth and chemistry) , but you're exaggerating Pau's decline by quite a bit. You are also wrong about not having legit SFs. Wes Johnson and Nick Young have the size and athleticism to play the 3, especially in Antoni's system. Successful basketball is much more about rhythm and chemistry than it is about copying current era physical characteristics.

We don't have a young team, but you seriously underestimate how much Kobe and Gasol have left in the tank if you think they are not comparable to themselves 4 years ago. I'm not "predicting" we will be a championship team, I am "confident" against any team in the WEST.

I still think we need an extra move or two for far less than market value (not likely but possible) to EXPECT or anticipate playoff series wins, but my main point is that with a few more better than average additions, we will be a team that no one will be comfortable playing come playoff time., That doesn't mean we'll win anything, just that we are good enough to at least warrant respect from any opponent...The same wasn't true before Kaman, Young and Johnson signed on for less years and less money than they could have gotten.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:08 pm

Weezy wrote:Man talk about a 180, you went from "maybe over .500? This season is going to suck!" to "there isn't a team in the West right now that I don't feel confident against in a 7 game series". :man10: I like what we've done, but we haven't become a championship or even WCF team IMO by adding Kaman, Young, Farmar, Johnson, and Kelly and losing Dwight, Jamison, Clark, and some junk. Yeah, we're similar to the '09 team, but this isn't '09, this playoffs will be 2014, that's quite a few years difference. Pau isn't the same, Kaman is not Bynum, we don't even know what Kobe will look like after this injury, and the league is not the same. The West has changed, Thunder, Clippers, Grizzlies, and Warriors have either caught up or gotten better than us, and then there's that superteam in Miami. I like our team better than last season already, but I don't see greatness, one big reason being defense. Our interior defense is almost non-existent if not entirely, and our PG defense being as bad or worse doesn't help that situation, clear path from PG to the rim.

Yeah I'm with this...

Similar team to the one in 09 in some ways, but in a lot of way it's much different.

First of all you have to remember we are playing the D'Antoni style which means very little defense and hopefully transcendent offense. In 09 we had Phil and the Triangle which worked well with our team and gave us a chance in games where we weren't perfect. When the offense is clicking we're going to lose games BADLY. I'd compare this roster much more to the Spurs 2013 with more offense a LOT less defense.

Our defense in 09 wasn't great either, but we worked hard on that end. If we added Elton Brand or Lamar Odom at the PF, then I'd have more faith in our team as a whole, but we don't have either right now and our defense is going to be real crap because of it.

Defensively we're going to be a sieve. I think if we have a very fortunate year we'll see the #6-#8 seed and hope for an upset in the first round.
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Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:28 am

therealdeal wrote:I think if we have a very fortunate year we'll see the #6-#8 seed and hope for an upset in the first round.


Yeah, I agree with that, except that I think we are a 6-8 seed unless we have an unfortunate season. Kobe, Pau and Nash are old and banged up, but I like that combo better than most other combos in the league, save for the top 4 or 5 seeds in the west and the top 3 or 4 in the east...We probably won't win more than 1 or 2 playoff games, but that is a WHOLE lot better than we were looking just after the Dwight decision.

As far as my overly optimistic posts, I just felt like #1. I needed to balance out the pessimistic people saying we are a bottom 5 team (of which I was never quite a member, even though I did feel before our recent signings that we might be looking at Kobe, Pau and Nash with 10 d-leaguers and Hill) and #2. This team genuinely does have potential, obviously barring a few more steals at the minimum in free agency or some unexpected developments (Wes Johnson and Nick Young blossoming and Ryan Kelly becoming Ryan Anderson right away) but nonetheless people on this forum are seriously undervaluing Kobe and if the people on here really feel that way about him now (that he is pretty much washed up) then I should have seen more advocating for his amnesty.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:30 am

Snakell Beast wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I think if we have a very fortunate year we'll see the #6-#8 seed and hope for an upset in the first round.


Yeah, I agree with that, except that I think we are a 6-8 seed unless we have an unfortunate season. Kobe, Pau and Nash are old and banged up, but I like that combo better than most other combos in the league, save for the top 4 or 5 seeds in the west and the top 3 or 4 in the east...We probably won't win more than 1 or 2 playoff games, but that is a WHOLE lot better than we were looking just after the Dwight decision.

Oh I definitely agree with that. Right after the Indecision I felt like our team looked like a 10-12 seed team in the West. We're much improved now and with a little luck and health we'll turn in a better year that that. Hopefully while watching some entertaining basketball.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:45 am

This upcoming season is reminding me a lot of the 2007-08 season when nobody really thought we were gonna do damage and then we really hit our stride in December/January when Bynum and Ariza really broke out. That team was FUN to watch....Fisher, Kobe, Ariza, Odom, Bynum....I can't wait to see Nash, Kobe, Young, Wes Johnson and Gasol out there....we could see a very similar type of feel from this squad....nobody was talking about us in 07/08 and we ended up in the Finals (and really should have won had Bynum/Ariza been healthy).
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Postby The Rock on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:22 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--raptors-to-amnesty-linas-kleiza-084703294.html

The Toronto Raptors plan to amnesty forward Linas Kleiza on Tuesday, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

Kleiza had previously exercised a player option in his Raptors contract to make $4.6 million next season. The Raptors, however, decided Monday to use the amnesty clause on Kleiza, a source said. The move will save Toronto from a luxury-tax hit, although the franchise still has to pay Kleiza's salary.

If no team under the salary cap makes a waiver bid for Kleiza, he will become an unrestricted free agent.

Kleiza played for Olympiakos of the Greek League during the 2009-10 season, and a source said his preference is to return to play overseas again. Kleiza averaged 7.4 points and 2.6 rebounds in 20 games last season while being slowed by a knee injury.

Kleiza, 28, last played in an NBA game on Dec. 28, 2012.
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Postby abeer3 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:51 am

^^ was just about to post that. if he cleared waivers, he's got "dantoni pf" written all over him.
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby bayarealakersfan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:12 pm

Mike Miller was just released by the heat. Wonder how much he would take to come play for us? Or would he be able too?! :freak2:
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Re: Realistic Free Agents: A Sad, Sorry List

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:31 pm

bayarealakersfan wrote:Mike Miller was just released by the heat. Wonder how much he would take to come play for us? Or would he be able too?! :freak2:

He would have to clear waivers first, but even if he did that I'm not so sure that I want him. Sure he can still shoot, but on D he's a huge liability.
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