unpossibl1 wrote: I can't wait for this season to be over so I can start supporting the Lakers properly again and cheer for wins.
This is one of the more pathetic things I've read in awhile. You do realize you cheering for wins or losses has no impact on the actual outcome of the game? The group that wants us to win has cheered us to 21-39 and those rooting for losses has cheered us to 21-39.
I'd rather be the person cheering for wins, even when they are few and far between, over the person cheering for losses and then will be "A proper Laker fan", when they start winning again. You enjoy the team and the game and the players decides who wins and who loses. Selling out when the times are tough is bad enough, saying, "it's best for the team", is just a cop out .
But keeping rooting for us to lose, it's making such a big difference on the outcomes of games.
angrypuppy wrote:Some of you act like draft position doesn't matter, and then focus on the correlation of the first overall pick under a previous CBA. That's a poor test as it ignores how this CBA influences the shape of team rosters, and that test ignores the value of high picks. Our last championship teams were led by Shaq, Kobe (1st overall, 13th though that's aberrant as Kobe wouldn't work out with other teams and feinted that he'd play in Europe), and Kobe, Pau and Lamar (13th, 3rd, 4th though Lamar would have been the 2nd pick had he not acted erratic). In other words, the correlation between draft position and key influence on winning a championship seems pretty high based on Laker anecdotal experience.
If you are going to knock me for referencing the old CBA, why is your whole first paragraph referencing the old CBA?
Shaq - Was drafted by a different team and this new CBA restricts player movement, especially players in their 4-5th year (when Shaq left to come here). In the new CBA, Shaq would never had a chance to come here.
Kobe - I think it supports my point of not needing a top 5 pick to win a ring.
Pau/Lamar - Under the new CBA, do we even have a chance at keeping Kobe/Pau/Lamar/Bynum/Fisher and Ariza/MWP?
You are correlating draft position and Lakers success in the old CBA, something that contradicts your very 1st statement. 4 out the 4 players above weren't drafted by the Lakers and the new CBA restricts player movement to make those teams. Barring a ridiculous turn of events, we are 4-5 years from winning another ring, regardless of drafting 1-5 or 5-10. Regardless of where we draft that player isn't going to come out of the gates gunning.
This is exactly right.
I find it funny how Doc Brown keeps referencing other teams and Top 10 picks not panning out. This is a stacked draft that wont come around very often. We have a chance to get a player that COULD help us win a championship and not become a statistic like those other teams.
My point still stands. Some of us are more worried about winning championships and not meaningless regular season games.
Yea, I'm the comedian that's using actual facts to back the claim that drafting 1-5 doesn't bring us any closer to a ring, than drafting 6-10.
This COULD be a stacked draft, we COULD get a nice player, but recent history shows that we are more likely to become a statistic like those other teams.
OKC needed 3 straight nice picks to get to 1 Finals and what do they have to show for it?
You guys are putting way too much stock in this pick being the next best thing. Teams are still trying to build around lottery picks with no luck, teams have gotten a handful of lottery picks with no luck, drafting 3rd or drafting 6th, we are still 4-5 years from contending and that will come from stealing already established players from other teams.
Helljumper wrote:I think his point is that losing games and ending up with a higher draft pick increases our chances of picking a player that can help us win a championship, .
In theory, yes it should. In reality, looking at past drafts, drafting 1-10 is still a crap shoot in getting that player with the difference in percentage of getting that player being minimal at best.
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