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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:28 am

lakerswiz wrote:There's something to prove. And I will have fun doing it.


Not really, no. You're simply going to make people like you less. Which is not a good thing. Not to mention one can't really prove anything. Maybe try a different approach: make your point, state you disagree with someone and let it go.
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:32 am

lakerswiz wrote:
There is right. There is wrong. There's something to prove. And I will have fun doing it.




now i get it....
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:32 am

lakerswiz wrote:
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lakerswiz wrote:Mob mentality hated is what make the discussion interesting and stimulating?! There is no interesting and stimulating discussion. You have a message board filled with people that have never even played basketball outside of taking a few half-a**** jumpers in middle school and they're on here trying to tell me that an NBA coach is bad? And that another is good? And when asked they give you no actual reason? Oh he doesn't pick and roll right.


and how much organized bball experience do you have to be in a position that we should all agree with you?

Who said you should agree with me?

I want to be challenged. I want someone to come at me with something substantial. Tell me something that wasn't picked up and spread by everyone else. Don't be so overly emotional in your wanting to fire the guy.

Realize what I am saying, comprehend my points and respond in a decent and thoughtful way.

I get that from a few posters. I don't get that from a majority.


fair points, I'll admit I dont recognize a specific set plays even going back to how Triangle works but this offense looks good at times but I fail to see how the D can be this bad-medicore given that Brown is a defensive specialist. To me that either tells me the team isn't prepared and that is result of coaching. I also admit I'm biased because I hated the hiring since day 1 just like I hated the Kwame trade from day 1.
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Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:36 am

I don't think that's the best way to do it. On an Internet forum or in life in general. It's one of the options, sure, but not the best one. Try not to tell people here there are "ignorant and stupid". It's against the rules.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:09 pm

^^^again thats "coaching" to me, we had the same PG problems since last year and all the way back to Phil days, nothing has changed. So its not exactly a problem we haven't dealt with or should be dealing with better with a "defensive specialist" in Brown.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:25 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Or do you mean he needs to come up with a way as a team to shut down the quicker point guards?


this but not shut down, slow down is more realistic. This is a guards league now and there no way of shutting fast PG down but you can't give them everything, i.e. all the PGs we face get to where they want and they get to make the passes they want. As a defensive minded coach, I expect Brown to improve on this aspect instead it has looked far worse then any other season thus far.
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Postby Finwë on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:37 pm

karacha wrote:Most of us know that he's not going to get fired just like that. We still think he's not the right coach for the group and should be fired eventually. We still think his rotations are awful and he doesn't know how to maximize the talents of his players.

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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby kray28 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:58 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:Too much pride to admit they made a mistake.


It's not just the pride, it's also the money. They are saving a ton by not having to pay a real coach. Phil cost an arm and a leg, and Adelman probably wanted six or seven million.

20 games in, let's see where we are. The bad news is...that far in, it might be too late to fix the coaching situation.
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Postby dj vitus on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:01 pm

khmrP wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Or do you mean he needs to come up with a way as a team to shut down the quicker point guards?


this but not shut down, slow down is more realistic. This is a guards league now and there no way of shutting fast PG down but you can't give them everything, i.e. all the PGs we face get to where they want and they get to make the passes they want. As a defensive minded coach, I expect Brown to improve on this aspect instead it has looked far worse then any other season thus far.

This. Seems like every PG we face has the choice between a wide open 18-footer, or to get creative with a drive and dish. Heck, almost every screen put on us ends up being a wide-open 3-pointer. We're just "hoping" they don't go in. That's not defense.
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby dj vitus on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:03 pm

kray28 wrote:
GoldenKnight wrote:Too much pride to admit they made a mistake.


It's not just the pride, it's also the money. They are saving a ton by not having to pay a real coach. Phil cost an arm and a leg, and Adelman probably wanted six or seven million.

20 games in, let's see where we are. The bad news is...that far in, it might be too late to fix the coaching situation.

One can hope it's just... "smokescreen." :man11:
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Postby kray28 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:04 pm

My son, (he's six), today at the lunch table told me that he wished the Lakers had their old coach back. He can't believe it took them four games to win their first.
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:22 pm

lakerswiz wrote:
khmrP wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Mob mentality hated is what make the discussion interesting and stimulating?! There is no interesting and stimulating discussion. You have a message board filled with people that have never even played basketball outside of taking a few half-a**** jumpers in middle school and they're on here trying to tell me that an NBA coach is bad? And that another is good? And when asked they give you no actual reason? Oh he doesn't pick and roll right.


and how much organized bball experience do you have to be in a position that we should all agree with you?

Who said you should agree with me?

I want to be challenged. I want someone to come at me with something substantial. Tell me something that wasn't picked up and spread by everyone else. Don't be so overly emotional in your wanting to fire the guy.

Realize what I am saying, comprehend my points and respond in a decent and thoughtful way.

I get that from a few posters. I don't get that from a majority.

And what's funny about all of this - no one has once asked me my opinion. I've argued against many of the points brought up by posters here. Just because I don't think that the reason we're struggling right now can be attributed to the offense that we run or that playing the starters the last 8 minutes of the 4th the other night doesn't mean I love Mike Brown. I've never even really said I like him at all. :man10:


This guys really knows nothing, his job in this forum is to protect brown, doesn't ever really explain why he's not a bad coach or why he is a good coach, just likes to tell people we should keep him to keep a convo going. Throughout all of his posts, you will never find a reason to why Brown is not a bad coach or why he is a good coach. Dude thinks it's ok we put in the starters with a 24 point lead vs Detroit, and that Brown uses the starters like crazy & missuses the bench.
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Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:23 pm

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karacha wrote:Most of us know that he's not going to get fired just like that. We still think he's not the right coach for the group and should be fired eventually. We still think his rotations are awful and he doesn't know how to maximize the talents of his players.

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Postby havoc33 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:45 pm

I think Gasol said it best:

"Mike (Brown) gets a little nervous at times."

Now how can this ever work out? You have a team loaded with champions and allstars, yet their head coach is the type who gets nervous during regular season games. :bang:

If the players can sense this, how can they ever buy into and trust that he will make the right decision down to stretch? No wonder we played isoKobe all of last year.
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:54 pm

RE: the article, it is from 2 1/2 weeks ago after they were suffering those huge preseason blowouts. On the one hand I think it's good that Jim Buss stands behind his guy and supports him. But he can't be excited about this start for his championship caliber team either. What he says out loud and what he ends up doing, though might be two different things after all is said and done. I wouldn't take this article as an absolute that Brown and the Lakers can continue to lose most of their games and he'll keep his job. It doesn't work like that on this level. It seems like he'll have his shot here, but if there isn't a lot of improvement and we're losing a bunch of games into this month I don't think anyone's job will be safe. It wouldn't be acceptable.

So we'll see.
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:44 pm

I'm sure the F.O. is thrilled with the money they are paying Meeks to see Potato bury him at the end of the bench and put the 3 point specialists, Ebanks and Artest there instead. This cannot go all season. He will be fired. We will struggle to win against all good teams, and waaay too often against crappy teams.
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Postby XXIV on Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:15 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:I'm sure the F.O. is thrilled with the money they are paying Meeks to see Potato bury him at the end of the bench and put the 3 point specialists, Ebanks and Artest there instead. This cannot go all season. He will be fired. We will struggle to win against all good teams, and waaay too often against crappy teams.


I hope you're right, but I have a feeling management will give him more time and by then it will be too late to hire a new coach. We can't replace him too late into the season because it will greatly change the dynamic of the team. He needs to be gone soon or else he'll likely be the coach for the rest of the season.
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