OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby The Rock on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:10 am

Just to clarify...they called Brown "Weak" for putting starters back into the game in 4th Q

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/brown-376839-lakers-bryant.html

Everyone from the fans to his star players found it unseemly that Mike Brown was so desperate to protect the winless Lakers' big lead against Detroit by sending the star players back into the game.

The idea that Brown would've been on a real hot seat if he had lost that game Sunday night, though, is absurd.

Here's how Lakers executive vice president Jim Buss, just two-plus weeks ago, put his feelings – and those of general manager Mitch Kupchak and Lakers owner Jerry Buss:

"I'm a hundred percent behind Mike Brown. Mitch is. My dad is. We as a collective soul are behind him 100 percent."

Collective soul?

Brown's not getting fired anytime soon, folks.

Criticize his inability to develop the bench or wonder why the Lakers don't have the defensive tenacity he predicted he'd bring, but the guy is still getting his chance here.


Lakers management basically gave him a pass last season because of how little post-lockout time he had to teach and change. This season, he felt secure enough to change the offense – which is the right decision, by the way, for the greater playoff good – and see where it can take him.

Sure, everything would feel a little more solid if Phil Jackson was sitting there with a thin little grin even while these pretty pieces remain unassembled. (Just imagine how steadfast fans would've remained if Jackson had gone winless in the preseason: "Man, that Zen Master's just all about championships! He's just waiting until June. Brilliant!")

The Lakers know that Mike Brown's not Phil Jackson. They actually don't expect Brown to push an array of elaborate buttons here.

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Jim Buss' comments about Brown in our recent chat made clear that ownership's view is that Brown's gift is being "well-prepared." That's not very exciting, and it's certainly not particularly fascinating genius, but it's how Brown was for his Lakers job interview, and it's what he's expected to be now.

"I felt that anybody who works that hard in preparation, if we give him the right players, he'll figure out how to win," Buss said.

Well, it didn't take long for Brown to make the right players after a whirlwind offseason look like the wrong players once this season started.

I asked Buss about Brown being frequently criticized by fans, but Buss said: "Laker fans are pretty intelligent when it comes to waiting and analyzing, and I'm sure they have open arms for him."

Last season, we saw Kobe Bryant backing Brown from the start because he developed quick respect for someone with that kind of work ethic. As the season wore on, questions arose whether Brown – and the staff he had in the office practically around the clock – was working smart or just working long.

Brown's inability to restrain himself from playing Bryant – last season and again through all except the last 22 second-half seconds Friday night even before the Sunday night incident – is a reflection of Brown's basic inclination to do more, not less, to feel well-prepared. The question logically follows when Bryant semi-scoffs at having literally to re-tie his shoes and drag his sore foot back into the game when a lead of 31 points to start the fourth quarter is trimmed to 24 points whether it was weakness or strength that dictated Brown's decision.

About re-entering the game for Brown, Bryant said he "didn't want him to have an ulcer or have a heart attack over there."

Bryant certainly remembers that Jackson built part of his legend on not taking timeouts to bail out his team, forcing guys to come up with answers to prepare them for trying times in the playoffs. That patience, intricately tied to player development, was one of Jackson's great strengths.

Yet Brown did succeed at locking up the victory over Detroit, it should be noted. Bryant, Dwight Howard and shortly after Pau Gasol held the lead. Howard was subbed out with a 25-point lead and 5:33 left, with Bryant and Gasol following a minute later.

No irrevocable damage was done to have tacked 4 ½ minutes on to Bryant's clock, and Brown builds some momentum, no doubt, that helps the Lakers' confidence Wednesday night when Utah will enjoy one of the NBA's most challenging home-court advantages.

But again, was it strength or weakness that drove Brown's decision, which he explained by saying the 0-3 record made winning more essential?

It looked weak. It felt weak. And it was weak.

Being pulled at that moment is not going to help Devin Ebanks trust himself any faster, especially the next time he makes a mistake and needs to push through his adversity. The rush for Bryant and Howard to save the day is not going to make Antawn Jamison come around to the belief that he can produce without being wholly dependent on Bryant or Howard for great looks.


Brown gains the impression of some dominance.

He loses some of the trust that the dominance will certainly come on its own.

This isn't about avoiding losing a first-round playoff series – which, unlike Jackson, Brown has managed to do his entire career.

This is about winning it all.

And even in the one strong effort so far in Mike Brown's one real season, the Lakers didn't act like a team expecting to win it all.
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby OX1947 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:20 am

He is not a leader. He is too unstable and too panicky. His body language and mannerisms says everything that is opposite of a coach that needs to run a team like this.
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Postby revgen on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:28 am

They're paying him 4.5 million dollars a year for 3 years plus a 4th year team option. They're not firing him anytime soon.
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Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:32 am

Too much pride to admit they made a mistake.
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Postby revgen on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:33 am

I don't know if it's pride as much as it's the $$$. If they fire him, they still have to pay him.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:34 am

We'll see how we do against contenders and towards the end of the season. From the looks of things, if the starters keep up with the minutes they are playing, I won't be surprised if we run out of gas before the finish line. And by the time, can we really depend on the bench?
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby Center Court on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:34 am

revgen wrote:They're paying him 4.5 million dollars a year for 3 years plus a 4th year team option. They're not firing him anytime soon.


which means that 4th year is up to lakers and after this season he's already completed 66% of his guranteed K
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Re: OC Register calls Brown "weak" +Jim Buss supports Brown 100%

Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:35 am

lakerswiz wrote:
"I'm a hundred percent behind Mike Brown. Mitch is. My dad is. We as a collective soul are behind him 100 percent."


And just like I said. He ain't going nowhere. How long did Jimmy hold on to Bynum? And y'all think he's going to cut the line on Brown just like that? :man10:


yea its not like we dont have 2-3 years to waste anyways like we did on Bynum :man8:
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Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:46 am

Most of us know that he's not going to get fired just like that. We still think he's not the right coach for the group and should be fired eventually. We still think his rotations are awful and he doesn't know how to maximize the talents of his players.
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Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:49 am

lakerswiz wrote:
"I'm a hundred percent behind Mike Brown. Mitch is. My dad is. We as a collective soul are behind him 100 percent."


And just like I said. He ain't going nowhere. How long did Jimmy hold on to Bynum? And y'all think he's going to cut the line on Brown just like that? :man10:


You are trying to play the "I told you so" game. But the truth is -- we know he's not really going anywhere. We're just disappointed that we're stuck with him because he's not a very good coach. This is what makes the forum active and the discussions interesting and stimulating. That's why we do it, not because we think Brown is going to be fired tomorrow.
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Postby WilliamHaven on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:57 am

To be clear....that quote from Buss about being behind Brown 100% was from "two-plus weeks ago"....before the season started. Not saying that changes perspective, but you never know.
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Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:09 am

4 games into the superteam era, Mike Brown is displaying weakness...against Detroit


i wish we could trade for coaches...Mike Brown and Duhon + picks for Poppovich
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Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:16 am

lakerswiz wrote:Mob mentality hated is what make the discussion interesting and stimulating?! There is no interesting and stimulating discussion. You have a message board filled with people that have never even played basketball outside of taking a few half-a**** jumpers in middle school and they're on here trying to tell me that an NBA coach is bad? And that another is good? And when asked they give you no actual reason? Oh he doesn't pick and roll right.


I have played competitive basketball in Europe. With some success I might add. The discussions are interesting to most people and the forum is active. If we simply said: "well, this guy is an NBA player, and this other guy's a coach; there is no way we can know as much as they do, so we'll just let them work..." -- there would be nothing to ever discuss on the Internet. We don't discuss it because we're basketball experts, but because we like basketball and we have to free time to post on the forum. And most importantly, because we enjoy doing it. There's no ultimate cosmic truth to be reached here. It's just basketball and compared to many things in life it is largely irrelevant. But my question is -- so what? Why not discuss all these things? It's fun. If it's not fun for you, I respect that, but then you should not spend time on an Internet forum. There is nothing to prove here. There is no right and wrong, black and white. It's just us having fun.
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Postby ZenMaster4President on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:17 am

I am willing to say that, regardless of any lip service Jim does now, if we are playing 50% ball or less come ASB - the dude is going to get fired. If you think otherwise - well, as I already said, we'll talk later.

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Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:17 am

lakerswiz wrote:Mob mentality hated is what make the discussion interesting and stimulating?! There is no interesting and stimulating discussion. You have a message board filled with people that have never even played basketball outside of taking a few half-a**** jumpers in middle school and they're on here trying to tell me that an NBA coach is bad? And that another is good? And when asked they give you no actual reason? Oh he doesn't pick and roll right.


and how much organized bball experience do you have to be in a position that we should all agree with you?
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Postby ZenMaster4President on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:19 am

khmrP wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Mob mentality hated is what make the discussion interesting and stimulating?! There is no interesting and stimulating discussion. You have a message board filled with people that have never even played basketball outside of taking a few half-a**** jumpers in middle school and they're on here trying to tell me that an NBA coach is bad? And that another is good? And when asked they give you no actual reason? Oh he doesn't pick and roll right.


and how much organized bball experience do you have to be in a position that we should all agree with you?


And more importantly, how much does that experience actually qualifies anyone for anything basketball related. We've seen NBA players being dumber than a regular street bum and being worse coaches than that same bum would probably be.
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Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:28 am

lakerswiz wrote:There's something to prove. And I will have fun doing it.


Not really, no. You're simply going to make people like you less. Which is not a good thing. Not to mention one can't really prove anything. Maybe try a different approach: make your point, state you disagree with someone and let it go.
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Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:32 am

lakerswiz wrote:
There is right. There is wrong. There's something to prove. And I will have fun doing it.




now i get it....
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Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:32 am

lakerswiz wrote:
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lakerswiz wrote:Mob mentality hated is what make the discussion interesting and stimulating?! There is no interesting and stimulating discussion. You have a message board filled with people that have never even played basketball outside of taking a few half-a**** jumpers in middle school and they're on here trying to tell me that an NBA coach is bad? And that another is good? And when asked they give you no actual reason? Oh he doesn't pick and roll right.


and how much organized bball experience do you have to be in a position that we should all agree with you?

Who said you should agree with me?

I want to be challenged. I want someone to come at me with something substantial. Tell me something that wasn't picked up and spread by everyone else. Don't be so overly emotional in your wanting to fire the guy.

Realize what I am saying, comprehend my points and respond in a decent and thoughtful way.

I get that from a few posters. I don't get that from a majority.


fair points, I'll admit I dont recognize a specific set plays even going back to how Triangle works but this offense looks good at times but I fail to see how the D can be this bad-medicore given that Brown is a defensive specialist. To me that either tells me the team isn't prepared and that is result of coaching. I also admit I'm biased because I hated the hiring since day 1 just like I hated the Kwame trade from day 1.
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Postby karacha on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:36 am

I don't think that's the best way to do it. On an Internet forum or in life in general. It's one of the options, sure, but not the best one. Try not to tell people here there are "ignorant and stupid". It's against the rules.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:09 pm

^^^again thats "coaching" to me, we had the same PG problems since last year and all the way back to Phil days, nothing has changed. So its not exactly a problem we haven't dealt with or should be dealing with better with a "defensive specialist" in Brown.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:25 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Or do you mean he needs to come up with a way as a team to shut down the quicker point guards?


this but not shut down, slow down is more realistic. This is a guards league now and there no way of shutting fast PG down but you can't give them everything, i.e. all the PGs we face get to where they want and they get to make the passes they want. As a defensive minded coach, I expect Brown to improve on this aspect instead it has looked far worse then any other season thus far.
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Postby Finwë on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:37 pm

karacha wrote:Most of us know that he's not going to get fired just like that. We still think he's not the right coach for the group and should be fired eventually. We still think his rotations are awful and he doesn't know how to maximize the talents of his players.

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Postby kray28 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:58 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:Too much pride to admit they made a mistake.


It's not just the pride, it's also the money. They are saving a ton by not having to pay a real coach. Phil cost an arm and a leg, and Adelman probably wanted six or seven million.

20 games in, let's see where we are. The bad news is...that far in, it might be too late to fix the coaching situation.
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Postby dj vitus on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:01 pm

khmrP wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Or do you mean he needs to come up with a way as a team to shut down the quicker point guards?


this but not shut down, slow down is more realistic. This is a guards league now and there no way of shutting fast PG down but you can't give them everything, i.e. all the PGs we face get to where they want and they get to make the passes they want. As a defensive minded coach, I expect Brown to improve on this aspect instead it has looked far worse then any other season thus far.

This. Seems like every PG we face has the choice between a wide open 18-footer, or to get creative with a drive and dish. Heck, almost every screen put on us ends up being a wide-open 3-pointer. We're just "hoping" they don't go in. That's not defense.
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