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Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 22, 2013 8:24 pm

^^This time?.... or the time before?.....
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 22, 2013 9:43 pm

^ I think it is going to breaking news the next time it comes up
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed May 22, 2013 9:48 pm

karacha wrote:But mostly Rambis. Phil did not do much on D. Per Kobe, of course.

Kobe ain't the only one who said Phil doesn't coach defense. GP said it as well and also Rick or Rob Horry said it too.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed May 22, 2013 10:05 pm

Well, I love Rambis, but he left his post in 2009 to go to Minny. Defensively we did just as well with the Rambis departure.

Here is an article that states that the coaching staff had to re-teach the defense.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/01/phil-jackson-reveals-coaching-shift-with-change-in-practices.html

Whether you want to call it blind coincidence or zen magic, the fact of the matter remains that Phil's teams played good D.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Tobias Funke on Wed May 22, 2013 10:09 pm

Yep, one way or another, his teams were pretty good defensively.

Someone played me a soundbite of Phil today, reacting to being asked about the possibility of joining the Clippers.

Phil laughed and said "Thanks but no thanks". :man10: :man10:
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby scheven on Thu May 23, 2013 12:38 pm

http://nba.si.com/2013/05/23/phil-jacks ... franchise/

Halfway through the video he talks about Kobe's rape case in 2003-2004. Never saw Phil like that before.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 23, 2013 10:38 pm

Rambis took a page of Thibodeau book after the 2008 Finals and we started to funnel the other team ballhandler baseline where our bigs were waiting to help and we overloaded the strong side ... forcing the other team to move the ball side to side and beat us with outside shots ...

Then Mike Brown the so called defensive genius wanted slow Pau and Drew to hedge the PNR which of course didn't work .

MDA ? No defensive principles .

There are definetely roster weaknesses to D at a high level but establishing defensive schemes would still help
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Center Court on Thu May 23, 2013 11:19 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Rambis took a page of Thibodeau book after the 2008 Finals and we started to funnel the other team ballhandler baseline where our bigs were waiting to help and we overloaded the strong side ... forcing the other team to move the ball side to side and beat us with outside shots ...

Then Mike Brown the so called defensive genius wanted slow Pau and Drew to hedge the PNR which of course didn't work .

MDA ? No defensive principles .

There are definetely roster weaknesses to D at a high level but establishing defensive schemes would still help



Nice analysis and very spot on. What is the best defensive scheme for us in your opinion? Given how slow we are on the perimeter and how reliant we are on our bigs.

Seems like you know your bball in game stuff... just curious.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri May 24, 2013 12:33 am

Well our defensive problems are due to 3 main factors imo :

1) lack of speed and athleticism on the perimeter and at the PF position , our guards/wings are taken off the dribble way too easily , can't chase opponents through screens , help/ rotate-recover , things of this nature... Pau is flat out terrible in every aspect of D except post D

Only D12 was able to defend at a good enough level ( even if his back is still a huge pb when it comes to defend the PNR ... backed off way too much , defended more with his hands , reaching at the ball instead of moving laterally and staying with the opposite ballhander like he used to ) ....

2) the total lack of effort and interest in defending which makes the point number 1 a bigger pb ... read mainly Kobe and Pau ... ball watching ,rookie type of gambles, no interest in guarding and following/chasing their men on the court

which leads to number 3) : a coach with a clear defensive system who keeps each player accountable for his defensive error and laziness .

As for a defensive strategy , nothing groundbreaking ... pretty much what every good defensive team is doing and wants to do ... not giving up penetration in the middle of the floor ( we were a horrible paint defensive team , that can't happen) by icing the PNR and orienting the ballhandler towards D12 ... but then you have to rotate , something we never did this season .

Defense is all about playing the percentages , if you take away shots at the rim and the corner 3 as much as possible , you will be in good shape in today's NBA .

We need both a change of coach and starting players ( PG , SF, PF positions ) to perform well enough on D ( and Kobe needs to be called out for his defensive laziness so he hopefully will play honest and sound D ) .

It's not realistic to believe all these necessary changes are going to happen during this off-season though ( best case scenario may be new starting SF and PF and I don't even buy this).

2013-2014 : another season of mediocrity because of defensive inabilities ... I'm still positive the talk in Lakersland will still remain about the players different roles in the offense though :man10:
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:01 am

LOS ANGELES -- Phil Jackson has no intention to coach next season, but that may not prevent him from being a part of the Los Angeles Lakers in the near future.

Jackson said Wednesday that he has had conversations with Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak recently about the team and expects to have more moving forward.

Jeanie Buss, left, admitted she was upset when the Lakers chose to not bring back her boyfriend, Phil Jackson, right, to coach the team last season. "We discussed some things, me and Mitch in the past couple of weeks, bouncing things around," Jackson said. "That's been something that has happened. It's not something I expect them to rely on me for information, but I'm there to offer it. Not so much advice. Explaining the program that they're headed toward down the road and resolutions they had in the past and trying to clean that up and talk about some of the things in the future that are different ways in which they can resolve the issues. They asked if I can be of assistance. I said, 'Yeah, I'll help in whatever area you need to have help.'"

Jackson was careful not get into specifics of his conversation with Kupchak about the Lakers, but Kupchak said he does talk to Jackson about basketball and the Lakers since Jackson is at the Lakers' facility often to see his fiance, Jeanie Buss, the Lakers' governor and executive vice president of business operations.

"He's over at the facility every now and then for obvious reasons," Kupchak said. "I'll see him then. We have reason to talk by phone every now and then. … Obviously his accomplishments here, and relationship with Jeanie, create an environment that we're susceptible to dialogue with a basketball person like Phil. If he was working for another team, it wouldn't be the same."

Kupchak did not rule out the possibility of Jackson's having a more official role with the team moving forward after Jackson has passed up several opportunities with other teams.

"I'm not sure why somebody like Phil isn't working for an NBA club right now," Kupchak said. "He has so much to offer to any franchise. Even though he doesn't have an official role with us, he's a consultant of sorts. Jeanie, I'm sure, talks to him every night about basketball. It may not be official, but there is an existing relationship."

Jackson, Kupchak and Buss spoke at a Time Warner Cable media event in downtown Los Angeles honoring former Lakers owner Dr. Jerry Buss, who died in February.

Jeanie Buss wanted Jackson to replace Mike Brown as the coach of the Lakers last season, but her brother, Jim, and Kupchak went with Mike D'Antoni instead. Despite not getting the head coaching job, Jeanie Buss says she wants everyone to know Jackson is still an integral part of the team.

"Phil is a part of the organization because of me," she said. "Really the best way to look at it is the night of the Shaq jersey retirement, and Phil spoke on behalf of the Lakers fans and team. I want Lakers fans to know he is part of it. He's part of my life and part of my family. He's always in the Laker world no matter if he has an official position or not."

Jackson's relationship with Jeanie is his only connection with the team at the moment, which is no small connection. Despite not having an official role with the team, he walked the red carpet with Jeanie on Wednesday night and took pictures with Kupchak and current Lakers players, such as Steve Blake, Robert Sacre and Darius Morris. For what it's worth, D'Antoni wasn't in attendance, and when Jackson spoke about the team it sounded as if he were a member of the front office.

"I'm backing her and trying to find a way to bring the team back to prominence through getting a contract resolution going and signing the people they have to sign and find ways where they're mobile enough to have the talent that they have to have soon," Jackson said. "That's a tall order for anybody. She has a basketball management group with Mitch and her brother working on one end. She balances that out by bouncing it on my head once in a while."

Jim Buss and Kupchak handle the basketball decisions of the Lakers, which was the wish of Dr. Jerry Buss before he died. There had been some feeling that it would be hard for Jackson to work with Jim Buss, but Jackson said that's not the case and he has no issues with Buss but admitted he doesn't have much of a relationship with his future brother-in-law.

"We've always had a casual relationship," Jackson said. "He traveled with the team in 2001 or 2002. Sometimes I'd leave him behind if he didn't make the plane on time. But I'd do that to anybody who didn't make the plane on time. He's always wanted to come to Montana and join me. I've always had an open door for him to come and join me. When I came back with the second resolution, we had a relationship and talked a lot about the team. The last year, we didn't have a conversation and I mentioned that one time and it got some press. I didn't really talk to Jim. We just weren't in each other's company and he didn't seek mine. He rarely comes to games. He went on the road a couple of times, but we just didn't have a conversation about the future of the basketball club. Outside of seeing him in November, I haven't seen Jim since then."

Jeanie admitted she was upset Jim and Kupchak decided to hire D'Antoni instead of Jackson, and Kupchak informed Jackson of the decision in the middle of the night when all indications were he would accept the position to come back and coach the team. She still says she wonders how far the Lakers could have gone if Jackson were the coach.

"I was not happy with how things happened," Jeanie said. "I just think it was a difficult process to go through. I was disappointed, but I'm biased. I don't think anybody would judge me to say [Phil] is the best coach in the entire world. That's my prerogative to feel that way. They had their reasons for doing what they did, but I kind of have that what-if feeling. What if he had coached?"

Jeanie says she reminds Jim about not hiring Jackson whenever the family gets together.

"I think it's something I can always tease him about," Jeanie said. "I think that's what families do. You always bring up things. Everyone always has family issues, and maybe that was something I can tease him about. It's fine. What happened happened."

Although Jeanie is the team's governor and is more visible and vocal than Jim, she said she has no intention to take over the basketball operations of the team, wishing to honor her father's wishes.

"We've been working together since we were little and with the Lakers for a long time," Jeanie said. "I know my dad set things up for us going forward in a system that he felt confident in, and I have complete confidence in his will."

Jackson once again said he has "no intention of coaching" but smiled when he was reminded that intentions can quickly change.

"I know," he said with a wry smile. "Don't they?"

Jackson admitted the rigors of travel and an 82-game season might be too much for him at 67 years old but that he is feeling better after being diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2011.

"The physical nature of coaching has kind of passed me by on some level," Jackson said. "I'm getting stronger and healthier all the time as I recover from some things that have gone on the last couple of years. The desire to coach is always going to be there. The knowledge of what you like to see happen on the floor and little things that go on in the game that would be different but that's natural."

Jeanie wasn't sure what Jackson's official role with the team could be, but said Jim and Kupchak know how to contact him if they ever wanted him back.

"My brother, Jim, and Mitch know Phil is a phone call away," Buss said. "He's always available. He would always do anything to help, support or listen. It's like we're all family."


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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby kenzo on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:11 am

Hire the man :man2: It's more than obvious that Phil wants the job :jam2:
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:48 am

It is really cool that Phil is basically part of the whole family now! I love that :jam2: :bow: :jam2:
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:25 am

It was good to read some of that. A lot of it is PR spin, but something that jumped out to me...

"I'm backing her and trying to find a way to bring the team back to prominence through getting a contract resolution going and signing the people they have to sign and find ways where they're mobile enough to have the talent that they have to have soon," Jackson said. "That's a tall order for anybody. She has a basketball management group with Mitch and her brother working on one end. She balances that out by bouncing it on my head once in a while."


Sounds to me like Phil is on the recruiting of Dwight. Whatever that might mean.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:32 am

Phil is slowly creeping through the door. MDA will be his puppet in no time.

This could appease King Dwight into staying if he sees Phil getting back into the Lakers decision making.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:38 am

The more I think of it, the more I think this is Phil just basically... forcing his way in. :man10:

What has been the major obstacle? The Jim/Phil relationship that seems to freeze any progress and keeps Phil from being part of the team officially for fear of their s***ty relationship... How do you defeat that? Two steps:

1. Show that Phil is already part of this. Sorry Jim, but you can't keep him out because he's already in the family. He's already part of the organization. You might as well not fight it because he's just always going to be there anyway. No point in trying to exclude him, Jim, he's already in the office.

This way you kind of already defeat the idea that the Lakers are separate from Phil. Might as well embrace it.

2. Downplay the rivalry and show that you've always been at least on okay terms. Non-combative at least. That way it doesn't seem like there's so much tension around Jim and Phil. Everyone seems to be placated... Especially Jim.

Now Jim looks at this and he can't really say "we're trying to move on from the Phil era" because guess what? The Phil era is still happening. He's still a part of the team. And if he wanted to say "okay, but it's not official because he's always been mean to me!" the answer is "well you guys weren't friends, but you weren't enemies either... right? I mean you guys are pretty much cool, right? So why keep fighting this?"
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Postby revgen on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:06 am

Phil is married to Jeanie, so basically he's getting paid by the Lakers anyway. He has a vested personal and financial interest is how the team is doing regardless of whether he's "officially" part of the organization or not.
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Postby Center Court on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:19 am

I have a question: Once Phil marries Jeanie, doesn't he officially become an owner with the Lakers anyway? What is his is half her's and what is her's is half his?

And yes, that does VERY much sound like Phil is recruiting Dwight. IMO, he's doing a major favor for Jeanie and Jerry.
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Postby revgen on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:26 am

^The "ownership" isn't in his name. It's in Jeanie's name. But he receives the full financial benefit of being an owner due to shared income.
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Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:29 am

therealdeal wrote:The more I think of it, the more I think this is Phil just basically... forcing his way in. :man10:

What has been the major obstacle? The Jim/Phil relationship that seems to freeze any progress and keeps Phil from being part of the team officially for fear of their s***ty relationship... How do you defeat that? Two steps:

1. Show that Phil is already part of this. Sorry Jim, but you can't keep him out because he's already in the family. He's already part of the organization. You might as well not fight it because he's just always going to be there anyway. No point in trying to exclude him, Jim, he's already in the office.

This way you kind of already defeat the idea that the Lakers are separate from Phil. Might as well embrace it.

2. Downplay the rivalry and show that you've always been at least on okay terms. Non-combative at least. That way it doesn't seem like there's so much tension around Jim and Phil. Everyone seems to be placated... Especially Jim.

Now Jim looks at this and he can't really say "we're trying to move on from the Phil era" because guess what? The Phil era is still happening. He's still a part of the team. And if he wanted to say "okay, but it's not official because he's always been mean to me!" the answer is "well you guys weren't friends, but you weren't enemies either... right? I mean you guys are pretty much cool, right? So why keep fighting this?"


^^ Very good stuff. One thing that I noted in there was the talking between Kupchak and Phil. I always felt that those two got along and worked well together. Sounds like they are continuing their relationship.

At some point, and I hope it's sooner than later, they'll officially put Jackson into the position he seems to have unofficially, as a guy who's opinion they go to and ideas they bounce off of. He doesn't need to be absolutely in charge, per se. Just bring him in as VP under Jim and let him work officially with Kupchak. He can help recruit, he could help pick out an appropriate coach, and he lends credibility and weight to the Lakers going forth when everyone seems to be saying that their draw is a thing of the past and now current. There's nothing to lose for the Lakers in doing this.

If they want to a better chance to keep Dwight here they would do well to make this official.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 am

Agreed. Phil is helping to stabilize this organization and I think that should be rewarded.

I think he's pretty much unofficially gotten himself a job, now the only thing left would be to give him an official paycheck. :man10:

But Phil's name carries weight and I think that's where most of his value is really. Guys like Howard respect him and they know that if Phil is attaching his name to something, that thing is worth respecting as well.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:58 am

therealdeal wrote:Agreed. Phil is helping to stabilize this organization and I think that should be rewarded.

I think he's pretty much unofficially gotten himself a job, now the only thing left would be to give him an official paycheck. :man10:

But Phil's name carries weight and I think that's where most of his value is really. Guys like Howard respect him and they know that if Phil is attaching his name to something, that thing is worth respecting as well.


The weight and credibility are worth the price of admission for the Lakers who are in danger of losing some of the fan base and I would imagine some of their TV incentives if they don't improve in their "PR department." Jim Buss already has a very bad rep with the fan base, some of it deserved, some undeserved. The fact that he's struck out with three coaching hires REALLY looks bad. And those were horrid decisions, bottom line. Add to the fact that he skipped over guys like Phil, Sloan, Adelman and younger guys like Shaw and McMillan, and it's clear that he needs to turn over that decision making to someone else pronto.

And yes, in terms of recruiting as well, I think Phil gives them a big plus.

But most of all, as you and I and some others have said, it's just the right thing to do. Get him in an official position and make him part of the three headed decision making party. Jerry Buss respected Phil a great deal and I think he would have wanted him to be involved in that kind of capacity. Not as a threat to Jim Buss' authority, but as a brilliant strategical mind to help the Lakers continue to be the top franchise of the league. They've got Phil right here at their fingertips and as part of the family. He doesn't even have to coach any more. Just be a part of the decision making in an official capacity and it'll be win win for everyone - for the fans, for the FO, for the family.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:18 am

Agreed. If Dr. Buss had anything it was business sense ( or maybe luck, but I'll stick with business sense). He would have recognized an asset when he saw it and used it by now.

But it's hard for me continue being critical of what's clearly becoming a "family" issue. God knows MY family is a mess. I'm finding it harder and harder to judge the situation fairly.

Even with the obvious answers being in front of everybody, so many times those answers are overlooked in these situations. All I can hope is that Phil's sneaky way of just moving in the office without having an actual position pays off. :man10:
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:23 pm

I couldn't agree more with what Lakerjones and therealdeal just said. I'm glad we're all talking as if Phil just needs to be part of the decision making team. I totally agree with the the both of you that he doesn't need to coach because frankly I don't see that happening because of all the traveling and late nights.

Phil whether or not he has the "title" of being in the decision making process will always be close to whats happening with the Lakers and as fans of this team this should bring us peace of mind and more stability going forward.
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Re: REITERATING: Phil Jackson says he's done coaching (Pg. 7)

Postby Weezy on Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:23 pm

Not about coaching, but I believe Lazenby when it comes to this stuff for some reason

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Pat Riley's success in Miami has stirred Phil's competitive fire. He wants back in. Jim won't let him. Just gave away another big piece.

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When teams win as the Lakers have, it's easy for ownership to decide enough is enough. We don't need to go all out. We've won enough.

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If you really want to win a title. I mean really win. Then you want DH12 on your team and you want @PhilJackson11 involved big time. #simple
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