thkthebest wrote:I think Pierce might still be a better overall defender than Gay.
thkthebest wrote:What the. I don't see that at all. To me, Pierce is a guy who will never truly be awful defensively. He's not as quick as he used to be, but he's still an extremely smart player (and he always has been smart). I think people are overreacting to a few plays where Pierce gets beat because he's old. Overall, he's done a decent job.
karacha wrote:He's not a 3-point specialist. He likes to shoot mid-range shots in front of the basket or from the right wing. And those he can hit most of the time.
Doc Brown wrote:Rooscooter wrote:There would have to be more players involved. Pau's trade number is around 21 million I believe. Pierces is at 15 million and Gay is around that as well I believe. There is a delta of about 5 or 6 million that we would have to get back as well to make this work..... maybe that is in the form of a serviceable big man or two....
Anyway this is what I've advocated for a long time. Gay is a consistent performer and can get 20 points a night on his own.... something we've lacked on this team for a long time.
Pau doesn't have the trade kicker added to his contract. The way, I think it was Eric Pincus maybe?, explained it was that since Pau is already making max, the trade kicker becomes moot.
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Rudy Gay to L.A. is interesting. When the Gay trade rumors first surfaced, he was open to ORL because he wanted to play with Dwight Howard.
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Rooscooter wrote:I remember that too.... but I thought a portion still stuck to him and it was 20.8 M or something like that if he were traded before the end of the season...
The straight math suggests that Gasol, who is under contract through 2013-14 for $38.3 million, would get a bonus of 15% of that amount, or $5.7 million, but the complicated rules of the league's collective bargaining agreement say otherwise.
If a player's trade kicker would put him over the maximum salary, a different formula comes into play. In Gasol's case, his $19 million for the current season is just $136,000 short of the league maximum for a player with at least 10 years of experience, triggering the alternative computation.
But a provision in the collective bargaining agreement complicates matters even further.
The maximum for Gasol is actually 105% of his 2011-12 salary, which was $18.7 million. According to salary cap expert Larry Coon, the most Gasol can receive in bonus, per year, is the difference between what he currently makes, $19 million, and 105% of last year's $18.7 million, or $19.6 million, even though that exceeds the 10-year maximum.
All that makes Gasol's available bonus about $650,000. Since Gasol has two years in total left on his contract, his total potential bonus would be double that figure, or $1.3 million.
So instead of the 15% bonus written in his contract, Gasol is eligible for a bonus of only 3.4% should the Lakers trade him by the deadline.
last stand wrote:Well there really isn't anyone to draw doubles in Memphis. Rudy pretty much creates for himself, as does everyone else on that roster
Here he'd be open, and career wise he's a decent shooter despite always having to create for himself. Here he'd be getting those Ron artest shots
phoenixrisingla wrote:I really like Gay. But seeing Pau kill it these last couple games off the bench is making me second guess everything...
Is it possible he can stay motivated?
BigDan24 wrote:I like the trade for us, but i thought Memphis was moving on with Gay after they cleared cap space with the Speights/Ellington deal.
thkthebest wrote:Savage1 wrote:karacha wrote:No, you have not watched him recently. Celtics fans are really upset with his speed, total lack of athleticism and weak defense.
^ This! Pierce looks like he's done - at least on defense. On offense, still capable of big shots, but does benefit from a good number of "respect" calls every came.
I think Pierce might still be a better overall defender than Gay.