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Postby thkthebest on Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:46 pm

What the. I don't see that at all. To me, Pierce is a guy who will never truly be awful defensively. He's not as quick as he used to be, but he's still an extremely smart player (and he always has been smart). I think people are overreacting to a few plays where Pierce gets beat because he's old. Overall, he's done a decent job.
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Postby karacha on Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:54 pm

thkthebest wrote:I think Pierce might still be a better overall defender than Gay.


With all due respect, that's just wrong.
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Postby Armani on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:00 pm

Pierce doesn't fit here anyway. We don't want more old guys. I have had enough of athletic guys killing us.

Rudy Gay isn't worth 16 mil and isn't a franchise changer, but at least he brings some much needed athleticism to the lineup. His 3PT shooting concerns me. 31% won't cut it.
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Postby last stand on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:03 pm

Well there really isn't anyone to draw doubles in Memphis. Rudy pretty much creates for himself, as does everyone else on that roster

Here he'd be open, and career wise he's a decent shooter despite always having to create for himself. Here he'd be getting those Ron artest shots
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Postby karacha on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:07 pm

He's not a 3-point specialist. He likes to shoot mid-range shots in front of the basket or from the right wing. And those he can hit most of the time.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:15 pm

thkthebest wrote:What the. I don't see that at all. To me, Pierce is a guy who will never truly be awful defensively. He's not as quick as he used to be, but he's still an extremely smart player (and he always has been smart). I think people are overreacting to a few plays where Pierce gets beat because he's old. Overall, he's done a decent job.

Maybe you're thinking of Paul Pierce from a year or two ago. This year's Paul Pierce is a terrible defender.
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Postby Armani on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:23 pm

karacha wrote:He's not a 3-point specialist. He likes to shoot mid-range shots in front of the basket or from the right wing. And those he can hit most of the time.


That's cool, but everyone takes 3's in this new offense... like it or not. :man10:
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:45 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:There would have to be more players involved. Pau's trade number is around 21 million I believe. Pierces is at 15 million and Gay is around that as well I believe. There is a delta of about 5 or 6 million that we would have to get back as well to make this work..... maybe that is in the form of a serviceable big man or two....

Anyway this is what I've advocated for a long time. Gay is a consistent performer and can get 20 points a night on his own.... something we've lacked on this team for a long time.


Pau doesn't have the trade kicker added to his contract. The way, I think it was Eric Pincus maybe?, explained it was that since Pau is already making max, the trade kicker becomes moot.


I remember that too.... but I thought a portion still stuck to him and it was 20.8 M or something like that if he were traded before the end of the season...
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:03 pm

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Rudy Gay to L.A. is interesting. When the Gay trade rumors first surfaced, he was open to ORL because he wanted to play with Dwight Howard.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:05 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I remember that too.... but I thought a portion still stuck to him and it was 20.8 M or something like that if he were traded before the end of the season...


I find this, written in November 2012....

The straight math suggests that Gasol, who is under contract through 2013-14 for $38.3 million, would get a bonus of 15% of that amount, or $5.7 million, but the complicated rules of the league's collective bargaining agreement say otherwise.

If a player's trade kicker would put him over the maximum salary, a different formula comes into play. In Gasol's case, his $19 million for the current season is just $136,000 short of the league maximum for a player with at least 10 years of experience, triggering the alternative computation.

But a provision in the collective bargaining agreement complicates matters even further.

The maximum for Gasol is actually 105% of his 2011-12 salary, which was $18.7 million. According to salary cap expert Larry Coon, the most Gasol can receive in bonus, per year, is the difference between what he currently makes, $19 million, and 105% of last year's $18.7 million, or $19.6 million, even though that exceeds the 10-year maximum.

All that makes Gasol's available bonus about $650,000. Since Gasol has two years in total left on his contract, his total potential bonus would be double that figure, or $1.3 million.

So instead of the 15% bonus written in his contract, Gasol is eligible for a bonus of only 3.4% should the Lakers trade him by the deadline.
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Postby SublimeAnarky on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:40 pm

If we're moving Pau I'd like to get more than 1 player back. We need good depth. Athletic wings help, but active bigs would be better.

Gay is owed more money than the role with our team demands. And for a longer period than we should care to entertain. I call smokescreen. Pau is moving but hopefully not just for Gay.
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Postby SublimeAnarky on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:44 pm

And while I'm at it - I shamelessly plug my earlier Pau/Gay proposal that lands us Love :man1:

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Postby dj vitus on Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:40 pm

I'm not sure Gay would put us over the top other than his athleticism, especially on the perimeter. He would need to focus harder on D and pick up his shooting slack.
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Postby last stand on Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:46 pm

Well for the first time in his career gay would be playing with guys who command double teams in Dwight an kobe
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Postby sina on Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:35 am

Guy is young and athletic. But he isn't in the same league as Pau and Pierce in. He is, at best, a 3rd man in a champion team. But Pau n Pierce are 2nd man. And Guy has a huge n long contract...
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Postby khmrP on Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:47 am

last stand wrote:Well there really isn't anyone to draw doubles in Memphis. Rudy pretty much creates for himself, as does everyone else on that roster

Here he'd be open, and career wise he's a decent shooter despite always having to create for himself. Here he'd be getting those Ron artest shots


what bout Marc/Zbo they create alot of problems in the paint, wouldn't they draw doubles?
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Postby ElginTheGreat on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:38 am

phoenixrisingla wrote:I really like Gay. But seeing Pau kill it these last couple games off the bench is making me second guess everything...

Is it possible he can stay motivated?


That is the question. If Pau can adjust to coming in with the second unit, then who knows. I think I would still pull the trigger to bring in another athletic guy who can score, but I would like to see this line-up redeem itself.
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Postby 432J on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:54 am

pierce is never leaving boston
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Postby BigDan24 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:46 am

I like the trade for us, but i thought Memphis was moving on with Gay after they cleared cap space with the Speights/Ellington deal.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:48 am

BigDan24 wrote:I like the trade for us, but i thought Memphis was moving on with Gay after they cleared cap space with the Speights/Ellington deal.


They are still paying big bucks next season and than the season after that if Randolph and Gay pick up their options.
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Postby PurpleNGold1 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:15 am

why not do this trade!? it works and its not lopsided josh smith to memphis-gasol to boston-rudy to la-zbo atl- pierce to memphis- good move if you ask me http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6216462
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:27 am

I think they are saying it makes some sense, not that they think it will happen. I don't ever see it happening. The Grizz are in no hurry to trade their second best player to a Western Conference rival that has the potential to be a sleeping giant. Injecting Gay into the lineup would be the type of thing that could catapult the Lakers out of their malaise.

And the Celtics are in no hurry to help the Lakers out of their funk while its more fun to watch them twist in the wind. Don't see it happening.
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Postby King of Clutch on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:39 am

thkthebest wrote:
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karacha wrote:No, you have not watched him recently. Celtics fans are really upset with his speed, total lack of athleticism and weak defense.

^ This! Pierce looks like he's done - at least on defense. On offense, still capable of big shots, but does benefit from a good number of "respect" calls every came.

I think Pierce might still be a better overall defender than Gay.

No. Just........no.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:41 am

^ Yeah probably not.

I'd guess this came out because it was discussed either briefly or recently or both. But I doubt the talks went too far.
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Re: Rival Execs Speculate About Rudy Gay Ending Up With Lakers

Postby King of Clutch on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:41 am

Rudy Gay has been slightly better paul pierce this season. Have you guys been living under a rock? Also, rudy gay is a pretty decent playmaker as well.
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