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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby OX1947 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:38 pm

Lakers do not need another shooting guard. Meeks is the back up shooting guard. In a perfect scenario as of now would be a way to trade Blake for draft picks or whatever and picking up Barbosa. Two reasons here that would make sense is that Barbosa can score off the bench regularly and for the vet min. Blake makes too much money for a guy who pitches 0 a lot of the time. Lakers have the best starting lineup in my book. All they need is scoring off the bench. Barbosa has played back up PG before, while not a Nash time PG, he can still handle that ball and score off the bench and would be for the cheap. The Lakers have until the trading deadline to dump Blake if they sign Barbosa for the vet min. Duhon is another guy but he is more manageable with some of his pay being non-guaranteed.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:12 am

Although Barbosa is better than Blake, he's not what we need at the backup PG. He doesn't play defense, and he's a SG in a PG body.

Yes, he'll come cheap, yes, he'll put up points. But, that's why we brought on Jamison and Meeks.

We need a PG that can handle the ball, take care of the ball, make the right decisions, and lead the floor. Being able to hit a 3 would be nice, but we just need a young guard to just be confident and be in control.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:58 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Although Barbosa is better than Blake, he's not what we need at the backup PG. He doesn't play defense, and he's a SG in a PG body.

Yes, he'll come cheap, yes, he'll put up points. But, that's why we brought on Jamison and Meeks.

We need a PG that can handle the ball, take care of the ball, make the right decisions, and lead the floor. Being able to hit a 3 would be nice, but we just need a young guard to just be confident and be in control.

This, sir, is what I've been saying all along and getting such crap for.

The problem for the Lakers is that such a young guard doesn't exist. At least not one that is obtainable by LA. My only reason for bringing in Barbosa would be to shed Blake's 8 million dollars. Barbosa would be a worse PG, but he'd be cheaper and would still give our team a different look.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:27 am

With the Spurs looking at J-Ho now, that appears to be one less option for T-Mac. Just saying.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:32 am

I'd rather have Ebanks play defense, then T-Mac do anything.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:34 am

^ Well McGrady would play behind him. He'd be a mentor/depth kind of guy. Vet, good for the locker room, hungry and wants to help a team win a ring. That'd be his role with this team.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:40 am

lakerfan2 wrote:I'd rather have Ebanks play defense, then T-Mac do anything.

I'm not satisfied with our depth at SF. When Ebanks loses favor with Brown, again, which he will at some point in the season -- whether it's his fault or not -- Brown's option is then to play Kobe as backup SF and increase his minutes. Jamison could see some of that time too, but that's putting too much faith in Brown. I'd gladly take T-Mac for that insurance role for a 1 year, vet min guaranteed deal in a heart beat.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby dj vitus on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:40 am

lakerswiz wrote:I'm not really too sure who I'd take from those available, but damn...

How crazy would it be if T-Mac came on over? I just have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

He used to be so damn good. And then just fell off.

Here we have Kobe, been in the league longer and at their closest point was always a few steps ahead of T-Mac. And T-Mac might come over to spectate from the bench.

I dunno. Just sort of strange to me. T-Mac is like Steve Francis to me at this point. A great player from my childhood. It's weird he's still around.

It's sad to see how he's declined so fast, and to think he's only 32! :man4:
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:51 pm

Nate Robinson's contract is $400k...kinda wish we went after him. Nate and Meeks as the backup guards would have been pretty cool..barring that we got rid of Blake. But oh well, im okay with Blake i guess, if he does what he should, just wish we got Nate. dirt cheap.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Center Court on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:28 pm

JSM wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:I'd rather have Ebanks play defense, then T-Mac do anything.

I'm not satisfied with our depth at SF. When Ebanks loses favor with Brown, again, which he will at some point in the season -- whether it's his fault or not -- Brown's option is then to play Kobe as backup SF and increase his minutes. Jamison could see some of that time too, but that's putting too much faith in Brown. I'd gladly take T-Mac for that insurance role for a 1 year, vet min guaranteed deal in a heart beat.


If Mitch felt like that'd have been the case, I'm guessing Barnes would be a Laker again.

I still think Pietrus can be a huge addition to this bench but not sure that Mitch and co feel like spending even more money.

Artest/Ebanks/Jamison/Kobe/Clark can all play the 3 on some level.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:23 am

Ariza3 wrote:Nate Robinson's contract is $400k...kinda wish we went after him. Nate and Meeks as the backup guards would have been pretty cool..barring that we got rid of Blake. But oh well, im okay with Blake i guess, if he does what he should, just wish we got Nate. dirt cheap.

No it's not, that's impossible. A 400,000 dollar contract is only available to 2nd round picks or undrafted players. Nate has been in the league for multiple years meaning he gets a veteran's minimum contract. Due to the number of years he's played, his contract is worth about 1.15 million.

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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:29 am

^ Only $400k is guaranteed, if he makes it past 1/1 then it becomes fully guaranteed and they're on the hook for the rest.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:36 am

Center Court wrote:
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lakerfan2 wrote:I'd rather have Ebanks play defense, then T-Mac do anything.

I'm not satisfied with our depth at SF. When Ebanks loses favor with Brown, again, which he will at some point in the season -- whether it's his fault or not -- Brown's option is then to play Kobe as backup SF and increase his minutes. Jamison could see some of that time too, but that's putting too much faith in Brown. I'd gladly take T-Mac for that insurance role for a 1 year, vet min guaranteed deal in a heart beat.


If Mitch felt like that'd have been the case, I'm guessing Barnes would be a Laker again.

I still think Pietrus can be a huge addition to this bench but not sure that Mitch and co feel like spending even more money.

Artest/Ebanks/Jamison/Kobe/Clark can all play the 3 on some level.

Barnes would have to play behind Ebanks, demotions are tough to handle for everyone. He was never coming back.

Pietrus want's more than we can really offer him.

McGrady would be a great pickup. Jamison and Clark are a little on the slow/heavy side to play SF consistently. McGrady would give us some solid depth if he's willing to take that position.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:37 am

JSM wrote:^ Only $400k is guaranteed, if he makes it past 1/1 then it becomes fully guaranteed and they're on the hook for the rest.

True, but if he's then dropped, anyone can pick him up again and if he's picked up again he'll have to be picked up for the vet's minimum (i.e. if the Lakers want him).
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:26 pm

oooh got it. thought it sounded too cheap. thanks
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Raja Bell: The Heat Are On Top Of My List, For Sure

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:22 pm

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By Ira Winderman
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MIAMI—

The buyout that was expected to come in July still hasn't arrived for Raja Bell. Because of that, the veteran guard recognizes that even a possible move into free agency might not mean the opportunity to suit up for his hometown Miami Heat.

The defensive-minded swingman with 3-point range said Friday that he remains hopeful of receiving his release from the Utah Jazz in advance of next week's start of training camp and that few teams hold the allure of the Heat.

"They would be on the top of my list, for sure," he said on 640 Sports' Andy Slater Show. "Again, hometown crowd, my kids are in elementary school here. It'd be great for me to get a chance to play here in Miami where I grew up and I know a lot of people, and be a part of this history that they're going to make for the city. But that's not always just up to me."

Facing a diminished role amid an uneasy relationship with the Jazz staff, the native of St. Croix, who attended both Killian High and Florida International University, appeared poised for a buyout early in the free-agency period. He is due $3.48 million this coming season from Utah on the final year of his contract.

"Right now, I'm taking a physical on Monday out in Salt Lake," said Bell, who turned 36 Wednesday. "We had a buyout in place early in the summer. The Jazz never officially presented it to me. But they never really officially told me I was coming back there, either. So I'm really in a limbo situation right now."

Had Bell completed his release in July or even August, he might have been better positioned to approach the Heat. Instead, 18 of the 20 spots for Heat training camp already have been filled, with those sessions opening Sept. 29 at AmericanAirlines Arena.

Bell appreciates the Heat option might be lost, even with a Jazz buyout.

"The Heat, they've done a great job over the last few years," he said. "They've really stacked their roster with some quality players, so I don't know that there's a spot there for me. Obviously, it's my hometown team, so given the opportunity, I'd like to be a part of what they're doing.

"But I understand that they've made strides to improve and really feel like they've got a good nucleus. So if it's not here, then hopefully I'll get a chance to go somewhere else and finish my career."

The two-time member of NBA All-Defensive teams said he appreciates any role would be limited.

"At my age and what I've got in my tank, I feel like a limited role is best," he said. "I don't really like playing 35 minutes a night anymore."

Shane Battier currently stands as the Heat's lone perimeter defensive specialist, although LeBron James often takes the critical perimeter defensive assignment in crucial situations.

"As much as I control what I do, I don't," Bell said. "The Jazz hold my rights, they are the owners of the contract. And so if they tell me I'm coming back to camp, then I have to go back to camp.

"On Monday, when I go out and have my physical, I'm really hoping they'll say to me, 'Look, we either have a trade worked out for you or we're going to waive you,' or something that will allow me to move on."

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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Weezy on Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:25 pm

I would love it if that piece of crap went to the Heat, there's really no playing time for him, and even if there is he's washed up.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:29 am

Marc Berman of the New York Post wrote:The Knicks are no longer considering Tracy McGrady but now are taking a look at retired Rasheed Wallace.

Although the Knicks worked out McGrady last week, the 33-year-old is no longer being considered, according to NBA sources. Training camp opens in one week and the Knicks have 19 invitees.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:33 am

We need to bring him in, put him in an emergency case (Hide it from Amare), and if Ebanks fails to prove he can hang onto the backup SF position........we insert TMac.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:44 am

^ That's what I've been saying. Cut loose some of these projects like Goudelock and Morris and give McGrady the call to provide some depth at SF.

Then again... if everyone else is passing on him there's probably a reason.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Weezy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:29 am

If NY is passing on McGrady for RASHEED WALLACE, I would have to think McGrady is seriously done or something, wow.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby davriver290 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:31 am

therealdeal wrote:^ That's what I've been saying. Cut loose some of these projects like Goudelock and Morris and give McGrady the call to provide some depth at SF.

Then again... if everyone else is passing on him there's probably a reason.



I actually agree. I loved Goudelock, but if he isn't going to get his fair share of time here. Send him to a developing team with SG's needed. Houston, Minny, Charlotte, NO, SAC. I really wanna see that kid flourish.

Morris has the skill. He just has to get stronger, his moves are quick and fancy, but won't do him much good if he can't use his body correctly or give NBA caliber players a slight push to get separation.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby last stand on Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:15 pm

i don't understand subbing mcgrady for wallace. 2 completely different positions
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:08 pm

last stand wrote:i don't understand subbing mcgrady for wallace. 2 completely different positions

If you can't address one need, focus on another.
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Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby last stand on Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:23 pm

isn't their big rotation their strength though
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