Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:36 pm

Lakerjones wrote:Don't want. I just don't see the necessity. My first choice would still be a solid backup swing 2/3. I want them to develop Ebanks but just in case of emergency I would like to shore that position up. It's the one real question mark. Duhon or Blake? Those guys are about the same level to me - we have two backup PGs already. Meeks is a great pickup and should get his run. If he gets hurt we also have GLOCK who has promise and DJO who has promise. At the three we don't have a legit third option. It would be someone playing out of position behind Ebanks. I don't know about Clark but his game looks more like PF.

This is/was why I wouldn't mind picking up McGrady. I think if he has anything in the tank, he'd be the ideal backup behind Ebanks. The problem is everyone is passing on him already... that might mean he's got nothing left. I'd like for them to be rid of some of the younger guys and shore things up a little better, but I understand cost is an issue. After reading up on Morris and his dedication, I'm willing to give him one more shot. So that means I'd cut ties with Goudelock because Odom shows more promise as an athlete and a defender. Ideally (but realistically of course) this is my team on opening day:

Nash/Blake/Duhon/Morris
Bryant/Meeks/Odom
Peace/Ebanks/McGrady
Gasol/Jamison/Clark
Howard/Hill

I like Sacre, but because we had to take on Duhon I think McGrady is bigger need than a 3rd big. The more likely lineup though would be McGrady out and Sacre in since we likely pass on McGrady.

Either way, I'm passing on Arenas.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 31886
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:00 pm

i dunno. maybe arenas would be a good pickup. i mean hes good enough to play when other teams go small with their bench or lets say someone like Blake or Meeks is injured. he can come in and be an offensive threat or spot up shooter.

i say bring him into training camp and see how he fairs against DJO and Glock and see who earns the 3rd string SG spot or something.

User avatar
Ariza3

 
Posts: 4179
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:28 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:17 am

With the Arenas "rumor" posted above, the fact that he's wanted to come here for a couple years, the fact that he wanted to sign on wherever Dwight went, and the fact that he's in our gym today scrimmaging...makes me think the front office is at least giving him a(nother) look.
User avatar
JSM
ClubLakers.com Administrator
 
Posts: 92492
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:40 pm
Location: Atlanta

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:48 am

Yep. Gil said he wanted to sign where ever Dwight went, his former coach is here and he knows the Princeton offense. Good chance he might end up here.
User avatar
Kobe8Fan

 
Posts: 9535
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:49 am
Location: Covina, CA

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby last stand on Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:32 am

So are Derek fisher and Gilbert arenas going to end up in a fist fight over being the teams pity signing
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 6552
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby nthydro on Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:57 am

I'm pretty sure if we sign him it's to play backup PG. It doesn't make sense to sign Meeks then bring in Arenas to take minutes away from him. With Blake's recent injury, it's not a bad insurance plan.
nthydro

 
Posts: 1326
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:55 am

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:48 am

therealdeal wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:Don't want. I just don't see the necessity. My first choice would still be a solid backup swing 2/3. I want them to develop Ebanks but just in case of emergency I would like to shore that position up. It's the one real question mark. Duhon or Blake? Those guys are about the same level to me - we have two backup PGs already. Meeks is a great pickup and should get his run. If he gets hurt we also have GLOCK who has promise and DJO who has promise. At the three we don't have a legit third option. It would be someone playing out of position behind Ebanks. I don't know about Clark but his game looks more like PF.

This is/was why I wouldn't mind picking up McGrady. I think if he has anything in the tank, he'd be the ideal backup behind Ebanks. The problem is everyone is passing on him already... that might mean he's got nothing left. I'd like for them to be rid of some of the younger guys and shore things up a little better, but I understand cost is an issue. After reading up on Morris and his dedication, I'm willing to give him one more shot. So that means I'd cut ties with Goudelock because Odom shows more promise as an athlete and a defender. Ideally (but realistically of course) this is my team on opening day:

Nash/Blake/Duhon/Morris
Bryant/Meeks/Odom
Peace/Ebanks/McGrady
Gasol/Jamison/Clark
Howard/Hill

I like Sacre, but because we had to take on Duhon I think McGrady is bigger need than a 3rd big. The more likely lineup though would be McGrady out and Sacre in since we likely pass on McGrady.

Either way, I'm passing on Arenas.


I'm with you realdeal. I'd probably do that as well. That is if McGrady has anything left in the tank. Personally I see Arenas as too much of a distraction. While he's a brilliant scorer at times, we brought in Meeks and Jamison to fill the scoring off the bench roles. And we have a ton of guards - DJO, GLOCK, Morris, Duhon, Blake, Meeks. Our hole is at the 3.
Lakerjones

 
Posts: 12899
Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:37 am

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:29 am

Marc Stein of ESPN wrote:L.A. native Gilbert Arenas was playing pickup ball in the Lakers' practice facility as recently as Thursday, but Arenas has yet to secure a training camp invite for the coming season.

Not from the Lakers or the Clippers, his two preferred destinations, or anyone else.

So ...

Sources with knowledge of Arenas' thinking told ESPN.com that the former All-Star is giving strong consideration to starting the season in China.

Arenas has spent the bulk of the offseason working out under the care of the trusted Joe Abunassar while dropping in on the occasional open gym at the Lakers' or Clippers' practice facilities and, by all accounts, looking good in those pickup games.

The reality, though, is that Arenas -- who turned 30 in January -- knows he's unlikely to command more than a veteran minimum deal at this point after appearing in just 17 games with Memphis last season. So word is that Arenas, while still holding out hope that the Lakers or Clippers decide they need him, has began to assess his non-NBA options.

And China is said to be at the top of the list, given the fact that former NBA All-Stars who go there tend to be well-compensated ... and the helpful knowledge that the short Chinese season allows for a return to the NBA in March or April if he impresses.

He has some time to decide, though, with Chinese teams still filling out rosters before their league opens play in November.

Non guaranteed camp invite and see what happens.
User avatar
JSM
ClubLakers.com Administrator
 
Posts: 92492
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:40 pm
Location: Atlanta

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:54 am

Lakerjones wrote:[
I'm with you realdeal. I'd probably do that as well. That is if McGrady has anything left in the tank. Personally I see Arenas as too much of a distraction. While he's a brilliant scorer at times, we brought in Meeks and Jamison to fill the scoring off the bench roles. And we have a ton of guards - DJO, GLOCK, Morris, Duhon, Blake, Meeks. Our hole is at the 3.

Agreed. We've got a glutton of guards right now, most of them undersized. I don't think Arenas fits anywhere here. What could he give us honestly that Odom or Goudelock can't at twice the price of those guys? He won't get much playing time, he won't give us a great locker room presence, he won't give us youth and athleticism.

All he gives is proven inefficiency and age without proven maturity.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 31886
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby gradymac on Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:40 am

having my two favorite players in the nba Kobe & T-mac on the same team would be like a dream! do it mitch! :jam2: :jam2:
Image
User avatar
gradymac

 
Posts: 334
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:54 am
Location: cali

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:42 pm

I'd prefer T-Mac to Arenas as well.. Another ballhandler that can shoot? He's still a good playmaker, especially good for being a roleplayer. I think T-Mac could still have a breakout season in the right situation.
lakersin4

 
Posts: 1682
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:02 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby JSM on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:20 am

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard

While it's possible TMac ends up n China, his 1st priority is signing w/an NBA contender, source says. TMac will b patient b4 making move
User avatar
JSM
ClubLakers.com Administrator
 
Posts: 92492
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:40 pm
Location: Atlanta

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:50 pm

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon
Delonte West has been suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. Will get story on @ESPNDallas soon.
Expand Reply Retweet Favorite


Should have come to LA when you had the chance......

We should try to pull another trade with Mr. Cubes. :man1:
Rule of Thumb at ClubLakers - Never encourage people to check your post history.
User avatar
Doc Brown

 
Posts: 14787
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:11 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby revgen on Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:12 pm

^Only if they take Morris, Glock, or Duhon.

I know Blake is a lesser talent, but at least he has his head on straight. If West ever goes coo-coo, we can always bench him and put Blake back in.
"Every time he’s hurt, he always plays, he always comes through."

- Metta World Peace on teammate Kobe Bryant
User avatar
revgen
HDTV/Multimedia Guru
 
Posts: 20221
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:53 pm
Location: Southern California

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby last stand on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:51 am

revgen wrote:^Only if they take Morris, Glock, or Duhon.

I know Blake is a lesser talent, but at least he has his head on straight. If West ever goes coo-coo, we can always bench him and put Blake back in.


West is always off the rails, he has to become sane
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 6552
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby XXIV on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:14 am

last stand wrote:
revgen wrote:^Only if they take Morris, Glock, or Duhon.

I know Blake is a lesser talent, but at least he has his head on straight. If West ever goes coo-coo, we can always bench him and put Blake back in.


West is always off the rails, he has to become sane


An insane West > Morris, Glock, Duhon combined.
XXIV

 
Posts: 5396
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:20 am
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:31 am

^

That goes without saying. With him on the team, we'd be absolutely amazing. Combo guard, can pass, can score. Sure, he can go crazy, but I think Nash, Kobe and Pau could help "stabilize" him. Just keep him away from Metta. Anyway, that's not going to happen, so...

...I'd actually take Mac. He probably still has something left in the tank to play limited minutes and he's an intelligent player. Play behind Metta/Ebanks, maybe few garbage minutes at the 2.... he would not hurt the team in any way.
Image

"It's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents." :mhihi:

-Mitch Kupchak
User avatar
karacha
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 34357
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:36 am

Also, Gilbert is still better then any of our young guards. I'm not saying he's actually good now, you understand, just trying to put things in perspective. And he would probably only play the 1 for us. There's no reason to take away Meeks's minutes. But we have to get rid of some dead weight. It almost irritates me that we have all these guys on the roster and they can't really do anything.
Image

"It's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents." :mhihi:

-Mitch Kupchak
User avatar
karacha
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 34357
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:33 am

Looking at our bench, we really don't have a creator whether it be a distributor or a player who can create their own shot.

Jamison and Meeks are players who thrive in the open court, but need someone to get the ball to them.

Ebanks and Hill are hustle type players who provide energy off the bench, but primarily are not scorers.

Blake and Duhon are far from good PG's. Blake can handle the ball and hit the occasional 3, but that's it. Duhon and Morris are useless.

Sacre is a big body who can dispel minutes when needed, but again, won't get you much.

I was an opponent to getting Barbosa before, but it looks like we may need a guy like him off the bench. He did well for Brazil scoring and creating, and it'd be loads better than Duhon and Blake.
"we just want to win now...and that's our only goal, is to win. everything else comes second" - d. howard
User avatar
lakerfan2

 
Posts: 7836
Joined: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:30 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:I was an opponent to getting Barbosa before, but it looks like we may need a guy like him off the bench. He did well for Brazil scoring and creating, and it'd be loads better than Duhon and Blake.

I'm kind of with you on this one. I hate that he can't pass but... our bench needs someone who can create for himself and while I think Jamison can a little, he's not great at it. Meeks isn't either. Blake is a FAR better passer, but if we can get out on the break then it doesn't matter as much.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 31886
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:01 pm

therealdeal wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:I was an opponent to getting Barbosa before, but it looks like we may need a guy like him off the bench. He did well for Brazil scoring and creating, and it'd be loads better than Duhon and Blake.

I'm kind of with you on this one. I hate that he can't pass but... our bench needs someone who can create for himself and while I think Jamison can a little, he's not great at it. Meeks isn't either. Blake is a FAR better passer, but if we can get out on the break then it doesn't matter as much.


And he wouldn't be a bad 1/2 option behind Kobe if Meeks doesn't perform. Better than throwing Blake or Morris in there.
"we just want to win now...and that's our only goal, is to win. everything else comes second" - d. howard
User avatar
lakerfan2

 
Posts: 7836
Joined: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:13 pm

I've been pretty okay with Blake so far. I want him to be more aggressive of course, but he already looks a lot better than last season. I'd still be more than happy with a replacement though and while I don't think Barbosa is anywhere near an equal PG, we may not need one. We may need two SGs out there since we don't have anyone that can create for themselves consistently.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 31886
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Center Court on Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:39 pm

As I was saying in other threads... our bench in improved, but still nothing better than average.

Jamison is a great bench player. Hill is a very good bench player. Meeks is a good bench player. After that, this bench is truly and utterly crap. I like Sacre as an extra body/final roster spot. Ebanks has decent potential, but this is not the time to wait/hope on someone's development. Blake is for whatever reason not effective as a Laker. Shooting is off, he rushes things on offense, can't play sound defense. All were things he did the opposite of before he got here. I like DJO's unique skill set. That's where it ends.

I won't cry about not keeping Barnes but clearly this bench has some holes. Once Dwight and J Hill return, I think our bench will see a much much much better output/production as Hill get's 4/5 mins and Jamison gets 3/4 mins, but I still think we could improve the bench even more.

In my perfect world, we'd sign Barbosa and Fish while we dump Blake/Morris/Duhon/Glock (via trade, release, D League, whatever).

Howard/Hill/Sacre
Pau/Jamison/Clark
MWP/Ebanks
Kobe/Meeks/DJO
Nash/Barbosa/Fish
Image
User avatar
Center Court

 
Posts: 2433
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:45 pm
Location: @ CL since '04

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:15 am

Thoughts on the Cavs roster
9:27
AM ET
Cleveland Cavaliers
RECOMMEND0COMMENTS0EMAIL

The NBA regular season begins in less than two weeks and Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon-Journal has some in-depth thoughts on the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Lloyd believes the Cavs are being honest when they say Luke Walton and his $6 million salary will make the roster.

Donald Sloan and Jeremy Pargo are in competition for the backup point guard position, but they have not impressed so far during the preseason and Lloyd doesn't think the team should keep both players at the expense of center Micheal Eric. The rookie could spend time in the D-League developing his skills this season.

Finally, C.J. Miles has done a good job as the starting small forward, with Alonzo Gee as the backup and that seems to be the right roles for each player going into the regular season.

-- Nick Borges


Blake and Duhon are probably better than the two mentioned above, call Comic Sans up Mitch, they need a backup PG.
Rule of Thumb at ClubLakers - Never encourage people to check your post history.
User avatar
Doc Brown

 
Posts: 14787
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:11 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Offseason Overhaul Discussion (who to keep / who to get?)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:28 am

^ You know we could send both of them over there without taking anyone back according to the ESPN Trade Machine.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 31886
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Lakers Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], WASP, Weezy and 20 guests

cron
Advertise Here | Privacy Policy | ©2008 Sculu Sports. Come Strong.