Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Lakerman JSJ wrote:Man, are you guys serious? Our roster is set for now. We aren't picking up crazy Delonte with a full roster and no money to spend.

Our roster is far from set, way too many scrubs wearing purple and gold right now.

Frank Dux wrote:

Lakerman JSJ wrote:Man, are you guys serious? Our roster is set for now. We aren't picking up crazy Delonte with a full roster and no money to spend.

Our roster is far from set, way too many scrubs wearing purple and gold right now.

Who on our roster would you classify as a "scrub" today without a guaranteed contract that could easily be cut and replaced with a "non-scrub"?

davriver290 wrote:Can we waive Duhon and Blake?

You could but you still would be on the hook for their salary and against the cap. So no point in doing that. But you could amnesty Blake I guess and be rid of that salary against the cap.

jjin28 wrote:

davriver290 wrote:Can we waive Duhon and Blake?

You could but you still would be on the hook for their salary and against the cap. So no point in doing that. But you could amnesty Blake I guess and be rid of that salary against the cap.

Amnesty period ended in July.

Lakerman JSJ wrote:

Frank Dux wrote:

Lakerman JSJ wrote:Man, are you guys serious? Our roster is set for now. We aren't picking up crazy Delonte with a full roster and no money to spend.

Our roster is far from set, way too many scrubs wearing purple and gold right now.

Who on our roster would you classify as a "scrub" today without a guaranteed contract that could easily be cut and replaced with a "non-scrub"?

Gotta agree with this. Don't see us making a move. At least not immediately.

Alcindor wrote:

jjin28 wrote:

davriver290 wrote:Can we waive Duhon and Blake?

You could but you still would be on the hook for their salary and against the cap. So no point in doing that. But you could amnesty Blake I guess and be rid of that salary against the cap.

Amnesty period ended in July.

then darn it.

The Lakeshow got 2 billion from TWC, money shouldnt be the issue. Waive the scrubs and bring in WEST!

darkice18 wrote:The Lakeshow got 2 billion from TWC, money shouldnt be the issue. Waive the scrubs and bring in WEST!

Oh yes it is because Lakers don't get crippled anymore in luxury taxes because waiving them will cost money I mean there is a reason why the Lakers never do that.

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Who on our roster would you classify as a "scrub" today without a guaranteed contract that could easily be cut and replaced with a "non-scrub"?

^I would classify Morris, DJO, Clark, Duhon, and Blake as the worst of the bunch. Sacre is a question mark, but he's a center who played relatively well during preseason, so he's a keeper for now. DJO would probably be the easiest to cut ties with, but his athleticism is intriguing. You could describe Duhon and Blake's contracts as "toxic" so I think they're here to stay(Blake's bum [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] should've been amnestied). So that leaves us down to Clark, and Morris. Morris is owed 1.44 million over two year, and Clark is owed 2.4 over the next year years. So I think it's between Morris and DJO.

I'm not a fan of Delonte's antics, but we have absolutely no Steve Nash insurance. He goes down, and it's over. A gritty player like Delonte is just the guy we need for 10-20 minutes a game. Good shooter, good defender, can handle the rock, and isn't afraid. I remember watching him play as a Cav during the Lebron years. A lot of the guys were playing scared in the playoffs(Mo Williams i'm looking at you). But I remember Delonte was one of the only guys who went down fighting. Is it a risk? of coure! But I think it's a bigger risk going into the season with point guard nearing his 40's, and not even having a serviceable player behind him.

Frank Dux wrote:

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Who on our roster would you classify as a "scrub" today without a guaranteed contract that could easily be cut and replaced with a "non-scrub"?

^I would classify Morris, DJO, Clark, Duhon, and Blake as the worst of the bunch. Sacre is a question mark, but he's a center who played relatively well during preseason, so he's a keeper for now. DJO would probably be the easiest to cut ties with, but his athleticism is intriguing. You could describe Duhon and Blake's contracts as "toxic" so I think they're here to stay(Blake's bum [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] should've been amnestied). So that leaves us down to Clark, and Morris. Morris is owed 1.44 million over two year, and Clark is owed 2.4 over the next year years. So I think it's between Morris and DJO.

I'm not a fan of Delonte's antics, but we have absolutely no Steve Nash insurance. He goes down, and it's over. A gritty player like Delonte is just the guy we need for 10-20 minutes a game. Good shooter, good defender, can handle the rock, and isn't afraid. I remember watching him play as a Cav during the Lebron years. A lot of the guys were playing scared in the playoffs(Mo Williams i'm looking at you). But I remember Delonte was one of the only guys who went down fighting. Is it a risk? of coure! But I think it's a bigger risk going into the season with point guard nearing his 40's, and not even having a serviceable player behind him.

I think it's going to be DJO because he is non-guaranteed. Also using the amnesty on Blake is a waste of time and won't save us that much money compare to using it on Metta.

^It wouldn't save us a dime, but it would open up a roster space and help solve the logjam at the point guard position. We can't afford to amnesty Metta, he has larger contract than Blake's, and brings a lot more to the table on the court as well. Not to mention he's our starting small forward, with a big question mark(Ebanks) backing him up.

But yeah, in terms of making a good financial move, cutting ties with DJO is probably what management would do if they go after Delonte.

So is Delonte West going to be this year's official ClubLakers "Back-up Player who is the Key to Everything?" for the entire season?

Trying to remember who the first guy was CL. Marcus Banks maybe?

(...sorry guys. Not trying to troll, but I couldn't resist...)

ElginTheGreat wrote:So is Delonte West going to be this year's official ClubLakers "Back-up Player who is the Key to Everything?" for the entire season?

Trying to remember who was the first guy was CL. Marcus Banks maybe?

(...sorry guys. Not trying to troll, but I couldn't resist...)

Well.... I'm not sure who was the original but last year it was Gilbert Arenas if memory serves.....

Frank Dux wrote:^It wouldn't save us a dime, but it would open up a roster space and help solve the logjam at the point guard position. We can't afford to amnesty Metta, he has larger contract than Blake's, and brings a lot more to the table on the court as well. Not to mention he's our starting small forward, with a big question mark(Ebanks) backing him up.

But yeah, in terms of making a good financial move, cutting ties with DJO is probably what management would do if they go after Delonte.

He won't be for long if he has a lousy season again, and also we need to get younger there as well, but truthfully I don't think the Lakers will use the amnesty clause at all.

Rooscooter wrote:

ElginTheGreat wrote:So is Delonte West going to be this year's official ClubLakers "Back-up Player who is the Key to Everything?" for the entire season?

Trying to remember who was the first guy was CL. Marcus Banks maybe?

(...sorry guys. Not trying to troll, but I couldn't resist...)

Well.... I'm not sure who was the original but last year it was Gilbert Arenas if memory serves.....

Sure was. Is Arenas in the league this year?

ElginTheGreat wrote:So is Delonte West going to be this year's official ClubLakers "Back-up Player who is the Key to Everything?" for the entire season?

Trying to remember who was the first guy was CL. Marcus Banks maybe?

(...sorry guys. Not trying to troll, but I couldn't resist...)

it's just one of those forced perspective things. if things are bad enough, any improvement will look like great improvement. and the backup point guard situation is less-than-rosy right now

personally, i'm not sold on west. not cuz of his basketball skills, but because of his unpredictable mental issues

I like us to get Livingston......Hou just cut him, much more of a true pg and great sz@ 6'6.....just eat the ontract and waive morris. Livingston is what we are hoping Morris could someday be but I doubt that happens.

If Delonte clears waivers we should absolutely sign him. Frank is right we have no one who can come in and step in if Nash goes down. We'd be absolutely nuts to pass him on West.

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:If Delonte clears waivers we should absolutely sign him. Frank is right we have no one who can come in and step in if Nash goes down. We'd be absolutely nuts to pass him on West.

Not really because I think it's going to end badly for us on Isiah Rider badly.

khmrP wrote:I like us to get Livingston......Hou just cut him, much more of a true pg and great sz@ 6'6.....just eat the ontract and waive morris. Livingston is what we are hoping Morris could someday be but I doubt that happens.

And doubt the Lakers are going to eat 3 mil in luxury taxes by cutting Morris. So suck it up he's staying.

ElginTheGreat wrote:So is Delonte West going to be this year's official ClubLakers "Back-up Player who is the Key to Everything?" for the entire season?

Trying to remember who was the first guy was CL. Marcus Banks maybe?

(...sorry guys. Not trying to troll, but I couldn't resist...)

You know Banks has come up in the CDR thread and now one concerning Delonte. Mods, can we add a Marcus Banks banner at the top with the site logo? It could be an homage to the ClubLakers faithful and whatnots

Would be nice to get an upgrade, West or whoever, and even better if we cut get rid of one of our terrible PGs in the process. A guy can dream huh.

I'm going to be highly agitated with the FO if we go into the season with Blake, Duhon, & Morris. It was a mistake to let Glock go instead of taking the hit on Morris' contract, now we have a chance to cut Morris & sign a proven combo guard in D. West. You don't sink 90M into payroll & then throw your bench out the window over a 500k guaranteed contract. Hopefully they make the right call, or we somehow trade one or all of those 3.

lakersin4 wrote:I'm going to be highly agitated with the FO if we go into the season with Blake, Duhon, & Morris. It was a mistake to let Glock go instead of taking the hit on Morris' contract, now we have a chance to cut Morris & sign a proven combo guard in D. West. You don't sink 90M into payroll & then throw your bench out the window over a 500k guaranteed contract. Hopefully they make the right call, or we somehow trade one or all of those 3.

Not really because Glock didn't improve in summer league and Mike Brown doesn't like him. Also he had a non-guaranteed contract so it was going to happen anyways. Also that 500k guaranteed contract is 2 mil in luxury taxes thus why they are better off trying to trade Blake or Duhon than waving anyone. Also Morris can't be traded till December and he has a no-trade aka the Devean George Clause.

jadej2 wrote:

lakersin4 wrote:I'm going to be highly agitated with the FO if we go into the season with Blake, Duhon, & Morris. It was a mistake to let Glock go instead of taking the hit on Morris' contract, now we have a chance to cut Morris & sign a proven combo guard in D. West. You don't sink 90M into payroll & then throw your bench out the window over a 500k guaranteed contract. Hopefully they make the right call, or we somehow trade one or all of those 3.

Not really because Glock didn't improve in summer league and Mike Brown doesn't like him. Also he had a non-guaranteed contract so it was going to happen anyways. Also that 500k guaranteed contract is 2 mil in luxury taxes thus why they are better off trying to trade Blake or Duhon than waving anyone. Also Morris can't be traded till December and he has a no-trade aka the Devean George Clause.

I understand it isn't just 500k, but the point I'm trying to make is why make that an issue when you're already spending so much? It just doesn't add up. I guess as a fan I'm looking for the easy way out to complete our bench. Mitch has the task of dealing one of those 3 bums & getting us a competent backup PG while also shedding salary. I know Mitch is capable of anything. But it wouldn't kill us to make the easy move that's right in front of our faces sometimes.