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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:29 pm

Hoopshype is pretty bad with the numbers...more accurate ones can be found at storytellerscontracts.info

Also, I have to hunt it down, but cap holds are for potential 1st round draft picks, which we don't have. Holding someone's bird rights doesn't necessarily place a hold against your cap. So technically you can work out a loop hole where a S&T can be executed and then concurrently a new contract given to Dwight.

I have to look it up, but I know I read somewhere that there are a ton of loopholes like this in the new CBA. If you remember, the Clips did something similar with DeAndre when he was a restricted FA. They brought in Caron since they were under the cap and then used their non tax paying exemption to bid on Billups off the amnesty wire and still were able to match DeAndre's offer sheet. Technically, they would not be able to bring in Caron in that way, however Oshley worked a loophole.

Don't take it as gospel..I'm going to do some research to confirm this when I get time. So I apologize if I have potentially misled people with this post...and those that definitively know, please correct me.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby DHL on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:32 pm

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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:37 pm

ok, alot of IF for that to happen but still the wrong fit IMO, it might be a lil easier to defend the PnR with both Non Shooters in Howard & Smith. I'd would like to still take a shot with Hou, they are close to being really competitive, they have several pieces that I like i.e. the Donut guy (dont know spelling of his name). He's not getting much PT but he looks to be a solid floor spacer and I'd ask for Patterson/Delfino and we throw in Blake from our side :man10: .....this could happent his year as oppose to Smith situation and our salary situation wouldn't be in jepordy either for the 2014 FA class.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:39 pm



whats the deal with all those old names still having contract value?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby karacha on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:47 pm

Jordan-esque wrote:Can Smith hit them 15 footers?


Sure.

I mean, he can hit them in the same way that you and I could. Anything's possible, but I would not not exactly count on him to hit them consistently. :man12:
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:50 pm

Pho Sun reunion, Pau for Novak/Amare :man1: ...........................


j/k but maybe :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:52 pm

khmrP: Here is the source from Larry Coon's CBA FAQ:
They use a slightly different calculation for determining the team salary in relation to the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 25), and for Sign-and-Trade transactions (see question number 88). For these purposes (i.e., for determining whether the team salary is above or below the apron2) they use the team salary as defined above, with the following modifications:

All unlikely bonuses are included for contracts and extensions signed under the current CBA.
Amounts that could be included in team salary as the result of certain grievances are included.
For rookies and players with one year of experience whose salary is less than the two-year minimum salary, the two-year minimum salary is used in place of their actual salary.
For the team's restricted free agents, the amount of any outstanding qualifying offer or first refusal exercise notice (both including unlikely bonuses), whichever is greater, are included.
The amount of any required tenders for the team's draft picks is included.
Cap holds for free agents are excluded.
Cap holds for first round draft picks are excluded.
Cap holds for the team's outstanding exceptions are excluded.


So technically, Dwight's potential salary would not count in a S&T for Smith, since it would not count against the cap apron aka 4M over the luxury tax threshold. LA would first pull off that S&T and then offer Howard his new max deal.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:56 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:khmrP: Here is the source from Larry Coon's CBA FAQ:
They use a slightly different calculation for determining the team salary in relation to the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 25), and for Sign-and-Trade transactions (see question number 88). For these purposes (i.e., for determining whether the team salary is above or below the apron2) they use the team salary as defined above, with the following modifications:

All unlikely bonuses are included for contracts and extensions signed under the current CBA.
Amounts that could be included in team salary as the result of certain grievances are included.
For rookies and players with one year of experience whose salary is less than the two-year minimum salary, the two-year minimum salary is used in place of their actual salary.
For the team's restricted free agents, the amount of any outstanding qualifying offer or first refusal exercise notice (both including unlikely bonuses), whichever is greater, are included.
The amount of any required tenders for the team's draft picks is included.
Cap holds for free agents are excluded.
Cap holds for first round draft picks are excluded.
Cap holds for the team's outstanding exceptions are excluded.


So technically, Dwight's potential salary would not count in a S&T for Smith, since it would not count against the cap apron aka 4M over the luxury tax threshold. LA would first pull off that S&T and then offer Howard his new max deal.


ok whatever works, but I'm part of the nay sayer that doesn't think Smith lack of shooting will be a good fit next to Howard, regardless of the type of offense we're running and especially this offense, where spacing is crucial for PnR to be effective.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:58 pm

^^^I actually agree. Smith's shooting is really bad. He's a good weak-side/ help defender...but playing straight man isn't his strength.

However I like that he's young and athletic and if a guard can create for him, like Nash, that would work as well. Most importantly, if he somehow locks up Dwight for us (since they are besties), then all of a sudden it becomes a no brainer.

I think Millsap/Mo Williams would be the way to go for Pau. Both have expiring Ks and definitely bring a need for this team in terms of motor and scoring.

Also another possibility would be to the Wolves for DWill/AK47. Adelman would love a player like Pau and you pair him up with Rubio and Love and that team is dangerous.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:16 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:I think Millsap/Mo Williams would be the way to go for Pau. Both have expiring Ks and definitely bring a need for this team in terms of motor and scoring.

Also another possibility would be to the Wolves for DWill/AK47. Adelman would love a player like Pau and you pair him up with Rubio and Love and that team is dangerous.


nice idea on both fronts, although I'm not sure Minn would give up Ak47, he's been alot better then they had hoped for. Mo/Milsap I could see working but I dont see any reason for Utah to want to do it and Mo wanted out of the clipps too because he wanted to start, he'd be in same situation here as he was with the clips, unless we go crazy and start him with Nash :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:23 pm

^^^I'm telling you...before its all said and done, Kobe will move to the 3 and we'll probably have a dual PG set backcourt.

If I may bring my pipe back out for a second...imagine Pau for CP3 again? :pipe:

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Postby OX1947 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:13 pm

Minnesota would be the only team that would trade for Pau because of his salary, in my opinion. However, D-will and ak47 for Paul, yaaaaaa, no. Gonna need a little more then that.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:36 pm

I know that most people are focusing on shooters for the perimeter, but to me the big issue is going to be getting a good defensive pf. Since Nash is such a liability on defense, the other starting four must be able to cover for him. Pau is not that guy.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Balance&Options24 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:01 pm

It's undeniably true that the Lakers, if they're missing anything to make Mike D'Antoni's offense flow, could use an extra shooter or two to float to the corners. It's likewise true, sources said, that the Lakers have had internal discussions for months about pursuing Smith, not only for his athletic gifts but also knowing that J-Smoove is one of free agent-to-be Dwight Howard's closest friends in the game. But if that's really who L.A. wants, there will have to be another team or two recruited into the deal to satisfy Atlanta's demands. ESPN.com
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:02 pm

great....just what we need...another season of trade rumors to mess with Pau's mind
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Postby Ariza3 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:07 pm

idk why we didnt keep barnes? especially if we were getting Nash...theyd fit perfectly. hes doing very well with the clippers in the type of game he could have been playing here
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:22 pm

Pau for Deng...
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Postby dj vitus on Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:27 pm

According to NBA Hotspots and Basketball Reference, Smith shot 81/292 on jump shots a couple years ago. Good for 27.7%. :hurl: :hurl: :hurl: We scared yet?
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:03 am

No to Smith, if only Chicago didn't trade Korver. Pau for Deng/Korver
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:20 am

Agree. Don't want Smith.

Just want Gasol to be in shoot first mode for a while. and play super aggressive when he has a small on him.

Or, if trade, 3 team trade involving Minny -- D. Williams as the piece going to another team. But I just don't see anyone taking on his contract.

I wish we would dump a scrub and sign Redd or Pietrus for added depth.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:53 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=af2rvpv

I don't like Smith but I can live with this trade.

Pau to Wolves
Smith/Korver (both expiring) to Lakers
Pek Barea Williams to Hawks.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Aonex on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:16 am

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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Punk-101 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:40 am

Pau+Ebanks+Morris+Duhon

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A starting quality nice young SF, but certainly not an allstar. Someone like Batum. Not him per say, but that type.
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A young athletic sharpshooting backup SG or combo PG. Like a younger Barbosa.

-Start Jamison as the stretch 4.
-Hill is the backup 4 and also slides to backup 5. Maybe Sacre gets a few minutes.

Nash/Young scoring combo guard/Blake
Kobe/Meeks
Batum-esque SF/Metta
Jamison/Hill
Howard/Hill/Sacre

That's a very balanced team, but there is still a big problem of starting PF defense, which is my main gripe about Pau. Maybe we start Hill at PF and also some time at backup C.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Aonex on Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:23 am

Punk-101 wrote:Pau+Ebanks+Morris+Duhon

for

A starting quality nice young SF, but certainly not an allstar. Someone like Batum. Not him per say, but that type.
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A young athletic sharpshooting backup SG or combo PG. Like a younger Barbosa.

-Start Jamison as the stretch 4.
-Hill is the backup 4 and also slides to backup 5. Maybe Sacre gets a few minutes.

Nash/Young scoring combo guard/Blake
Kobe/Meeks
Batum-esque SF/Metta
Jamison/Hill
Howard/Hill/Sacre

That's a very balanced team, but there is still a big problem of starting PF defense, which is my main gripe about Pau. Maybe we start Hill at PF and also some time at backup C.


That make a combined $19m? Hmm, I think that'll be hard to find since they'll either be making too little (rookie contracts) or the guys around the $10m range are probably budding superstars that teams aren't willing to trade. Worth checking out salaries though to see if it's possible.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:06 pm

Ariza3 wrote:great....just what we need...another season of trade rumors to mess with Pau's mind

Well, atleast this season he has been playing like trash before the rumors start.. So they can't be blamed for his performance.
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