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Postby lakersin4 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:34 am

Vasashi17 wrote:^^^Very true that we had to waive someone to even make room...but it does appear that we have shown interest in Raja and his camp has reciprocated. How we're trying to get him (via trade or free agency through buyout) is still a mystery...another thing that is a mystery is that LA chooses to get older while trying to install an uptempo offense: Raja 36 vs Pietrus 30...
If it's a trade, I hope we're giving up Pau for Millsap with Raja as one of the throw in's.
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Postby lakersin4 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:52 am

Dominic McGuire will be waived by the Raptors to make room on the roster, agent Mark Bartelstein told RealGM.


If we open a roster spot in a potential trade, hope we sign this guy. Really wanted him in the offseason. High flyer that plays some of the best defense in the league.
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Postby GoldenKnight on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:03 pm

King of Clutch wrote:On troy murphy, other thread is locked...

I immediately thought no thanks. But after really thinking about it, he's a nice rebounder, big body, and DEADEYE 3pt shooter. He may be the PERFECT fit for this system. If we decide to bench pau, which we should, then we'd either have to bring in hill, which would kill our spacing, or antawn, which could effect our rebounding and D. Troy murphy on the other hand doesn't give up size, AND he's a better 3pt shooter than Antawn. So he could start alogside dwight, space the floor, and rebound. And the bench could stay in tact with pau added: Blake, meeks, antawn, hill, and gasol. Plus he's dirt cheap. I hope lakers management gives this some thought...


no....he isn't the murphy of old, he's total garbage.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:11 pm

Anderson Varejao...........that is all.
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Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:00 am

After the December 15th deadline we'll see a lot of action in NBA. Hopefully, we see this scenario play out ...

The Lakers trade:

Pau Gasol - $19,000,000
DJO or Sacre (does it matter?) - $473,604

Total $19,473,604

Minny trades:

Derrick Williams $4,809,840
Andrei Kirilenko $9,779,349
Luke Ridnour $4,000,000

Total $18,589,189

This works since a team over the cap such as Minnesota cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. This trade would be in the acceptable range.

Why Minny does this:

They get a legit post presence player who would thrive under Adelman. Adelman's offense would be a perfect fit for Gasol. With Kevin Love manning the PF position, Gasol will have plenty of room to operate. I think Adelman would be salivating at the prospect.

Plus, in Gasol, the T-puppies gets a guy who is great friends with Rubio.

In regards to the salary cap, since Minny is over the cap already it is still a wash for them as they will still be over the cap with a little more salary (about $1MM added to their approximate $8MM overage)

Why Minny wouldn't do this:

Kirilenko is having a great year. The other two in the deal not so much. Gasol is owed $19MM this season (although prorated) and next season. Minny takes on more salary. Is Gasol done or can he help Minny improve this season?

Why LA does this:

Gasol is not really a fit for this offense. Plus, he is 32 and is owed a lot of money. Gasol, as the season progresses, will be relegated to backing up Dwight. Jamison is just such a better fit with Dwight and the starters.

Kirilenko is the type of player who could be a great energy guy off of the bench. He stretches the floor with his shooting (37.5% 3pt percentage) and is a good defender.

Derrick Williams is a young PF who is athletic and helps the Lakers get some young talent. He could blossom into a good player.

Ridnour would give us another PG who would give the Lakers outside shooting. He is two seasons removed from shooting 44% behind the arc. His contract isn't too bad either with 2 years remaining.

Why the Lakers don't do this:

Lakers brass and MDA want to see if the Pau Gasol experiment works.

The Lakers would also have to create a spot on the roster either by flipping someone such as Devin Ebanks - $1,054,389 to some team for a draft pick or by cutting someone such as Sacre or DJO, whichever is not traded. Also, if the Lakers got Ridnour I would suspect they'd try to trade Blake.

The only weakness would be the SG position depth. I guess Ridnour could play there or Morris. MDA could go with a smaller lineup. However, the bench would be all energy!

EDIT: tigerjeterkobe just reminded me that I forgot all about Meeks! How could I forget that guy especially after the game he had last night.

Proposed Lineup:

PG: Nash, Ridnour, Duhon
SG: Kobe, Meeks
SF: MWP, AK47
PF: Jamison, Williams, AK47
C: D12, Hill
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:35 am

Doc Brown wrote:Anderson Varejao...........that is all.

With Dwight? Seems like an odd fit.
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Postby tigerjeterkobe on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:55 am

Big Mamma Jamma wrote:After the December 15th deadline we'll see a lot of action in NBA. Hopefully, we see this scenario play out ...

The Lakers trade:

Pau Gasol - $19,000,000
DJO or Sacre (does it matter?) - $473,604

Total $19,473,604

Minny trades:

Derrick Williams $4,809,840
Andrei Kirilenko $9,779,349
Luke Ridnour $4,000,000

Total $18,589,189

This works since a team over the cap such as Minnesota cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. This trade would be in the acceptable range.

Why Minny does this:

They get a legit post presence player who would thrive under Adelman. Adelman's offense would be a perfect fit for Gasol. With Kevin Love manning the PF position, Gasol will have plenty of room to operate. I think Adelman would be salivating at the prospect.

Plus, in Gasol, the T-puppies gets a guy who is great friends with Rubio.

In regards to the salary cap, since Minny is over the cap already it is still a wash for them as they will still be over the cap with a little more salary (about $1MM added to their approximate $8MM overage)

Why Minny wouldn't do this:

Kirilenko is having a great year. The other two in the deal not so much. Gasol is owed $19MM this season (although prorated) and next season. Minny takes on more salary. Is Gasol done or can he help Minny improve this season?

Why LA does this:

Gasol is not really a fit for this offense. Plus, he is 32 and is owed a lot of money. Gasol, as the season progresses, will be relegated to backing up Dwight. Jamison is just such a better fit with Dwight and the starters.

Kirilenko is the type of player who could be a great energy guy off of the bench. He stretches the floor with his shooting (37.5% 3pt percentage) and is a good defender.

Derrick Williams is a young PF who is athletic and helps the Lakers get some young talent. He could blossom into a good player.

Ridnour would give us another PG who would give the Lakers outside shooting. He is two seasons removed from shooting 44% behind the arc. His contract isn't too bad either with 2 years remaining.

Why the Lakers don't do this:

Lakers brass and MDA want to see if the Pau Gasol experiment works.

The Lakers would also have to create a spot on the roster either by flipping someone such as Devin Ebanks - $1,054,389 to some team for a draft pick or by cutting someone such as Sacre or DJO, whichever is not traded. Also, if the Lakers got Ridnour I would suspect they'd try to trade Blake.

The only weakness would be the SG position depth. I guess Ridnour could play there or Morris. MDA could go with a smaller lineup. However, the bench would be all energy!

Proposed Lineup:

PG: Nash, Ridnour, Duhon
SG: Kobe, Morris
SF: MWP, AK47
PF: Jamison, Williams, AK47
C: D12, Hill




What happened to Meeks? Luke would be great. Blake would likely be the 3rd SG. I like a rotation of Jamison and Williams, but would prefer to dump Sacre for Kenyon just for added big who can play.
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Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:08 am

tigerjeterkobe wrote:What happened to Meeks? Luke would be great. Blake would likely be the 3rd SG. I like a rotation of Jamison and Williams, but would prefer to dump Sacre for Kenyon just for added big who can play.


What the heck was I thinking?! I forgot Meeks! SG depth solved!

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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:41 pm

The name that keeps coming up for the Lakers is Ryan Anderson, the Hornets’ long-distance shooter who was once a Net and later played for three seasons with Howard in Orlando. He’d be perfect. But first, they want to see if Nash can jump-start Gasol.
And Mike D’Antoni’s offense, on the whole.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z2DqXPXaKR


I don't know if there is legit interest, as this is the only thing that is said about Pau/Anderson, but I'd pull the trigger on this deal, probably would have to find a 3rd team though.
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Postby The Rock on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:04 pm

I think its just a rumor...maybe Nola is interested? Lakers are usually tight lipped (Ex: Nash trade and Brown firing we only knew after it had happened).

Honestly Id rather keep Gasol if its just Anderson we're getting back in return

I prefer we keep Pau mainly for continuity purposes, we cant keep making changes to the core of our team but if we do trade him, we need to get someone back that improves our championship chances immediately I dont think Anderson does that
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:21 pm

Ryan Anderson is a better fit than Pau for this team as constructed, considering the coach and offensive system.
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Postby The Rock on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:27 pm

^ I think his 3 point shooting helps but what about the other facets of the game? We dont have many perimeter playmakers so we have to use Pau's playmaking with the 2nd unit when Kobe and (in the future) Nash out of the game. I think thats a huge plus in having Pau

Also in 2011 playoffs he shot 30% from 3s spacing the floor for Dwight

Last year in playoffs he played 34 mins a game and grabbed less than 5 rebs. If he were to bring other things to the table other than just 3 point shooting Id be down but we have Jamison to take care of that.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:29 pm

Big Mamma Jamma wrote:After the December 15th deadline we'll see a lot of action in NBA. Hopefully, we see this scenario play out ...

The Lakers trade:

Pau Gasol - $19,000,000
DJO or Sacre (does it matter?) - $473,604

Total $19,473,604

Minny trades:

Derrick Williams $4,809,840
Andrei Kirilenko $9,779,349
Luke Ridnour $4,000,000

Total $18,589,189

This works since a team over the cap such as Minnesota cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. This trade would be in the acceptable range.

Why Minny does this:

They get a legit post presence player who would thrive under Adelman. Adelman's offense would be a perfect fit for Gasol. With Kevin Love manning the PF position, Gasol will have plenty of room to operate. I think Adelman would be salivating at the prospect.

Plus, in Gasol, the T-puppies gets a guy who is great friends with Rubio.

In regards to the salary cap, since Minny is over the cap already it is still a wash for them as they will still be over the cap with a little more salary (about $1MM added to their approximate $8MM overage)

Why Minny wouldn't do this:

Kirilenko is having a great year. The other two in the deal not so much. Gasol is owed $19MM this season (although prorated) and next season. Minny takes on more salary. Is Gasol done or can he help Minny improve this season?

Why LA does this:

Gasol is not really a fit for this offense. Plus, he is 32 and is owed a lot of money. Gasol, as the season progresses, will be relegated to backing up Dwight. Jamison is just such a better fit with Dwight and the starters.

Kirilenko is the type of player who could be a great energy guy off of the bench. He stretches the floor with his shooting (37.5% 3pt percentage) and is a good defender.

Derrick Williams is a young PF who is athletic and helps the Lakers get some young talent. He could blossom into a good player.

Ridnour would give us another PG who would give the Lakers outside shooting. He is two seasons removed from shooting 44% behind the arc. His contract isn't too bad either with 2 years remaining.

Why the Lakers don't do this:

Lakers brass and MDA want to see if the Pau Gasol experiment works.

The Lakers would also have to create a spot on the roster either by flipping someone such as Devin Ebanks - $1,054,389 to some team for a draft pick or by cutting someone such as Sacre or DJO, whichever is not traded. Also, if the Lakers got Ridnour I would suspect they'd try to trade Blake.

The only weakness would be the SG position depth. I guess Ridnour could play there or Morris. MDA could go with a smaller lineup. However, the bench would be all energy!

EDIT: tigerjeterkobe just reminded me that I forgot all about Meeks! How could I forget that guy especially after the game he had last night.

Proposed Lineup:

PG: Nash, Ridnour, Duhon
SG: Kobe, Meeks
SF: MWP, AK47
PF: Jamison, Williams, AK47
C: D12, Hill


Nice write up but you kind of lost me Minny's reasons for doing this.... Do you think anyone in the league that has access to video thinks Pau is still a "legit Post Presence"?

I'm not sure we could get rid of Pau unless we take back a big ugly contract and a decent player and a pick or two at this point.... he's 7 million dollars in value in a 19 million dollar wrapper right now. Next year he will be a lot more valuable but I'm not so sure this year.....
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Postby JGC on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:40 pm

^ You'll notice that the way in which a write up on a player is written when we want to trade him away, never matches the tone of said player's discussion thread. :man10:
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Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:23 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Nice write up but you kind of lost me Minny's reasons for doing this.... Do you think anyone in the league that has access to video thinks Pau is still a "legit Post Presence"?

I'm not sure we could get rid of Pau unless we take back a big ugly contract and a decent player and a pick or two at this point.... he's 7 million dollars in value in a 19 million dollar wrapper right now. Next year he will be a lot more valuable but I'm not so sure this year.....


Minny wanted Gasol and tried to trade Derrick Williams to the Bobcats for the 2nd pick to entice the Lakers. I know many on this board are not high on Gasol but the guy still performs and under Adelman, whose system is a better fit, Gasol could really do well.

Here's an article talking about Minny's interest over the summer. This is pure speculation on my part but I don't think anything has changed. I would imagine that they, meaning the T-Wolves brass, think that Gasol is in the wrong system and could do quite well in Adelman's system.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) – The Minnesota Timberwolves are trying hard to land Pau Gasol.

If they have to part with the highest draft choice in franchise history after just one season, the Wolves appear ready to do it.

That much became clear leading up to the NBA draft on Thursday, when Minnesota offered Derrick Williams in hope of landing the second pick from the Charlotte Bobcats to help get Gasol from the Los Angeles Lakers, two people with knowledge of the discussions told the Associated Press.

The people requested anonymity because the talks were meant to remain private. The deal never came together, and the Bobcats stayed at No. 2 in the draft and took Kentucky forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
The Timberwolves are expected to continue their pursuit of Gasol in hope of putting him with fellow Spaniard Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love on a revamped roster aimed at getting the team to the playoffs for the first time since 2004.

The Wolves' interest in Gasol long has been rumored, with the highly skilled big man considered an ideal fit for coach Rick Adelman's corner offense and the kind of playoff-tested veteran needed on one of the youngest rosters in the NBA. He's close friends with Rubio, the Wolves' superb young point guard who is recovering from a torn anterior cruciate ligament and hopes to be ready early next season.

Gasol has teamed with Kobe Bryant to win two titles in Los Angeles but always seemed to catch the brunt of the criticism when things went wrong.

That happened again this year when he averaged just 12.5 points and 9.5 rebounds during the playoffs and the Lakers were eliminated in the second round by the younger, quicker Oklahoma City Thunder. Gasol often appeared to get lost in the shuffle while Bryant and Andrew Bynum got most of the touches on offense.

Gasol was the subject of trade rumors all season, starting before it began when NBA Commissioner David Stern, operating as owner of the New Orleans Hornets, nixed a deal that would have sent Gasol to Houston as part of a package that would have sent Chris Paul to the Lakers.

"It has been a crazy year and a lot to deal with. … Unfortunately, we had tough losses and things didn't really go our way for the most part," Gasol, a four-time All-Star, said at the end of the season. "You just have to regroup and digest this loss and this season, and learn from it and move on."

Gasol is due to make more than $38 million over the next two seasons, an enormous sum the salary cap-strapped Lakers might have difficulty footing under the harsher luxury tax penalties scheduled to kick in in 2013.

Love's contract extension kicks in next season, making him the only Timberwolves player expected to be on the roster next season making more than $4.6 million. If the Wolves buy out Martell Webster and decline to tender qualifying offers to Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph, as expected, they should have plenty of cap room for Gasol.

But if they want to bring him in to play alongside Love in the frontcourt, it probably would come at a hefty price. Offering Williams, the second overall pick in last year's draft who showed promise and inconsistency in his rookie year, means the Wolves would be giving up on him after just one season. The 21-year-old Williams has potential to grow into the star many projected he'd be when he entered the draft after his sophomore season at Arizona.

Gasol will turn 32 next week and has played nearly 39,000 minutes in his career, raising the question whether he has enough gas in the tank to help turn the Timberwolves into legitimate contenders.
Williams knows the Wolves tried to deal him, but it's unclear how he will respond if he's still on the team at the start of training camp.

He averaged 8.8 points and 4.7 rebounds and was the only Timberwolves player to play in all 66 games last season. Williams had several big games during an inconsistent season that included participating in the slam-dunk contest during All-Star weekend. He scored 27 points in 27 minutes in a win over the Clippers in Los Angeles on Feb. 28 and had 27 points and eight boards in a loss at Denver on April 11.

But the 66-year-old Adelman has been pushing for the franchise to add more veterans, and he grew impatient with Williams at times last season.

Williams did most of his damage while playing power forward, which is the same position played by Love, who last season blossomed into an MVP contender. With Love playing so many minutes at power forward, the Timberwolves were hoping Williams could drop some weight this summer to help him become quick enough to play at small forward the majority of the time.

This week, Timberwolves president David Kahn said Williams already was down to 233 pounds, with a personal goal of 225.

"I think the most important fact about Derrick to me is that he turned 21 last month. He's still very, very young," Kahn said Wednesday. "This is a very important summer for him to demonstrate if he's serious about his craft, his occupation, that he's serious about himself. This is the offseason. I challenged him in his exit interview, and I'm eager to see the results of this summer."

Kahn declined to list Williams with Rubio and Love as "untouchable" players when the team considers trades this summer.

"We have two untouchables," Kahn said. "That doesn't mean everyone else will be traded this summer. We just don't know."


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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:52 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Nice write up but you kind of lost me Minny's reasons for doing this.... Do you think anyone in the league that has access to video thinks Pau is still a "legit Post Presence"?

I'm not sure we could get rid of Pau unless we take back a big ugly contract and a decent player and a pick or two at this point.... he's 7 million dollars in value in a 19 million dollar wrapper right now. Next year he will be a lot more valuable but I'm not so sure this year.....


Minny wanted Gasol and tried to trade Derrick Williams to the Bobcats for the 2nd pick to entice the Lakers. I know many on this board are not high on Gasol but the guy still performs and under Adelman, whose system is a better fit, Gasol could really do well.

Here's an article talking about Minny's interest over the summer. This is pure speculation on my part but I don't think anything has changed. I would imagine that they, meaning the T-Wolves brass, think that Gasol is in the wrong system and could do quite well in Adelman's system.


You could be right..... I'd love that trade but it seems that ownership changed their minds last year when they couldn't get what they thought was equal value for him. If Lowry, Scola and Martin were not equal what do they think is?

Houston and Minny have shown interest in the past. Anything that could shake loose Chandler Parsons from Houston would be welcome if we're throwing out wish lists.....
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Postby Ariza3 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:26 pm

gotta wait until Nash is back to decide on gasol imo
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Postby Finwë on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:10 pm

Ryan Anderson is a great player. He can reaaally stroke the 3 and he's an underrated rebounder. If Pau keeps sucking even after Nash comes back & we can't find a solid package like that Minny one, then by all means, PULL THE TRIGGER
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Postby King of Clutch on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:23 pm

I can't believe no one has come up with something with Utah yet. They have FOUR talented big men in Enas Kanter (who has a jumper, girth, and length, reminds me of bynum, seriously), Derrick Favors (CRAZY athletic, some range as well, size and long arms), and Al jefferson, and Paul Milsap. I have no reason why kanter and favors are coming off the bench, because their potential is CLEARLY greater than milsap and jefferson. But those two are veterans and also talented as well. So utah is in a bit of a pinch there.

Thats why i'm thinking that there HAS to be some way we can get Jefferson off their hands, even if it might not necessarily be an even trade for them because they have THREE other quality young big men to fall back on, lol. And jeffersons is soooo underrated. I tell people this all the time. Lol, his mid range is top notch, and his post game might only take a back seat to gasol and randolph. If we can get him, i'll jump for joy.
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Postby lakersin4 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:26 pm

I don't think we should go after Anderson if it's just him. Tawn can do a fine job as our stretch 4. Barring someone giving up some better pieces than Anderson, I think Pau is here for the remainder of the season. If he plays really well when Nash returns, they might sell high at the deadline. I would.
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Postby JLaker17 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:26 pm

Ariza3 wrote:gotta wait until Nash is back to decide on gasol imo


This is what I think I think Mitch is doing. Pau can be effective, just limit his minutes as a whole, and keep him and Dwight from playing at the same time for long periods of time. Play Jamison with either of them at C and its a nice unit.

If we were to add another player, I think we should get a small forward.
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Postby Greatest of All Time on Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:47 am

I posted in the Pau Gasol trade about trying to acquire Chandler Parsons. This kid is underrated and he has the potential to be a star. He's an athletic slasher that can also shoot and create plays. It's only his second year but this guy's game is pretty complete. He's not a specialist, he does a lot of things really well. He shoots the 3 at 42%. He can handle the ball and finish at the rim or create plays for others. He's not a bad passer either. At 6'9 230lbs, he's an excellent defender with great fundamentals. Kobe Bryant gave him props.

This guy can recognize when to make the right play and he has the versatility to do it. I can see him picking defenses apart off of Kobe/Nash/Howard kick outs. He has the ability to drain the 3 and while the defense scrambles to close out, he can drive and pull up, finish at the rim, or dish it to an open teammate. This guy is like an Odom/Deng hybrid.

I think the most underrated thing about this guy is his athleticism. He has some impressive dunks on his highlight reel. There was one play where he caught the ball at the 3 point line, recognized an opening, drove right past Kevin Durant, and posterized Ibaka. He also had some impressive putback dunks on Ginger Griffin and Javale McGoo.

His energy and athleticism could really bring that Showtime feeling back. I'd like to see this kid filling the lane on a 3 on 2 with Nash on the break. He can play in the halfcourt, in transition, on the ball, off the ball, catch and shoot, catch and drive, make plays, pullup off the dribble. His versatility and bball IQ would make him a perfect fit in D'Antoni's system. He'd fit in with the starters and he's young enough to be facilitator for the bench as well. Pau Gasol is too old to be playing a starter role and a bench leader role. The Lakers need youth and athleticism, and this kid has it.

A lot of people shot the trade idea down because Houston would have to send the Lakers a million players to make it work and the Lakers would have to somehow send a million out to make room. I did some research on Hoopshype and played around with the trade checker and I found a deal with the Jazz that could be made to work out. I considered the salary/contract situation of all teams and players involved and came up with this trade:

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Why do the Jazz make the trade?

The Utah Jazz have a crowded front court. Derrick Favors, the 3rd pick in the 2011 NBA Draft has seen steady improvement with increased minutes. Meanwhile, Paul Millsap is in the last year of his contract and the Jazz risk letting him walk for nothing. By making this trade, they will acquire Patrick Patterson, who can be a young cheap replacement for Millsap. They can hand the starting power forward spot to Favors while Patterson can be a backup.

Utah also saves a lot of money from this trade. In 2012-2013, they owe $19,658,700.00 to Millsap, Williams, Tinsley, Caroll, and Murphy. If they make the trade for Duhon, Aldrich, Patterson, Jones, Clark, and Smith, they would only owe $11,462,200.00. They would save $8,196,500.00 this year if they make the trade.

In 2013-2014, they owe a guaranteed $8,300,000.00 to Marvin Williams. If they make the trade, they would owe $3,600,000.00 guaranteed to Patterson and Jones. By making, this trade, they would save $12,896,500.00 total. They would have more flexibility to make future deals with the extra cap space they get from this deal.

I'm not sure if saving money and getting some young players, with a decent looking one in Patterson, would be enough. They might want picks. The Lakers have none. I'm not sure how willing Houston would be to give up picks.

Why do the Rockets make the trade?

They get the coveted Pau Gasol without giving up their core of Asik, Lin, and Harden. Kevin McHale, who admires Pau Gasol, will properly utilize his low post skills. They also get rid of Royce White so they won't have to deal with his issues.

Why do the Lakers make the trade?

By trading Pau Gasol's contract, they're projected to save money on this deal. In 2012-2013, the Lakers owe Gasol, Duhon, Clark, Sacre, and DJO $24,647,200.00. If they make the trade, they would owe $23,088,300.00 to Millsap, Williams, White, Douglas, Montejunas, and Parsons. They would save $1,558,900.00 in guaranteed money plus another $1,558,900.00 from the luxury tax.

In 2013-2014, they owe 19,000,000 guaranteed to Pau Gasol. If they made the trade, they would owe $11,500,000.00 to Williams, White and Montejunas. They would save $7,500,000.00 in 2013-2014 in guaranteed deals (if they let Millsap walk) and a projected $11,250,000.00 in repeater tax (I multiplied by 1.5 because I believe those are the new tax rules starting next year). In total, they would save about $12,047,200.00 in guaranteed money, not counting the luxry tax. I didn't count Chandler Parsons because his deal is unguaranteed but he's only making like $800,000 so it's not a big deal.

Not only do they save money on the deal, they would get back a true stretch 4 in Paul Millsap. Even though he's undersized, he has more heart than Pau Gasol does at this point. They'd have to take on Marvin Williams' ridiculous contract but I'd rather his contract + Millsap + Parsons + crap over Pau Gasol's albatross contract. Williams' contract expires in 2 years so it won't interefere with the 2014 plan.

They'd have to decide on re-signing Paul Millsap. If they let him walk, they can shift Ron Artest to the 4 and play Parsons at the 3.

This deal would leave the Lakers with 16 players on the roster so they'd have to cut someone like Ebanks or Morris. If I were Mitch, I'd cut a check to Royce White to make him go away if he has any more outbursts.

In addition to saving money on this deal, the Lakers would also receive Chandler Parsons. This guy has the potential to be a stud, especially in D'Antoni's offense. The Lakers should insist on getting Parsons. Houston would essentially be trading Parsons + Patterson for Pau Gasol.


I just realized the Jazz would have 16 players as well. They'd need to waive someone. The Lakers would have to throw in some cash to pay the waivee.

I found a second deal that would leave the Lakers and Jazz with 15 players this season.

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Instead of getting White and Montejunas, the Lakers get Cook. They save even more than the last deal. In 2012-2013, they'd save $1,658,900.00. In 2013- 2014, they'd save $10,700,000.00. In total, they'd save $13,247,200.00 in guaranteed money, not counting luxury tax.

The Utah Jazz also save more in this deal. In 2012-2013, they'd save $8,958,700.00. In 2013-2014, they'd save $4,700,000.00. In total, they'd save $13,658,700.00.

Nash/Douglas/Blake/Morris
Kobe Bryant/Meeks/Cook/Parsons
Artest/Parsons/Kobe Bryant
Millsap/Jamison/Williams/Parsons
Howard/Hill

Possible lineups:

Nash/Kobe Bryant/Artest/Millsap/Howard

Nash/Kobe Bryant/Parsons/Millsap/Howard

Nash/Kobe Bryant/Artest/Parsons/Howard (great defensive lineup)

Nash/Meeks/Kobe Bryant/Parsons/Howard (run and gun)

Bench:

Douglas/Meeks/Parsons/Jamison/Hill They can have Parsons play the point forward role pick and roll or pick and pop with Jamison.

Blake/Meeks/Parsons/Jamison/Hill

Blake/Meeks/Parsons/Jamison/Howard

This team would have legitimate depth. It would have shooters/slashers/finishers. Kobe Bryant would have legitimate backups. There would be no reason to ply him more than 32 minutes a night. If Meeks isn't cutting it, throw Cook in there. Parsons could actually play some backup 2 also if he needs to. The PG rotation is still kind of iffy, but Parsons can play the point forward role with the bench. Toney Douglas has experience in D'Antoni's offense. The only problem would be that if Dwight gets injured, a guy with a herniated disc in his back, in Hill would have to start and there would be no backup center. I think Paul Millsap could play some 5 if something happened but I don't think Dwight will get injured.

In conclusion, I believe this is a fair deal for all parties involved. Chandler Parsons would be awesome in D'Antoni's offense and Millsap would be a good stopgap for this year and they can still possibly re-sign him to a favorable deal. I love Pau Gasol for helping the Lakers win back to back titles, but he's getting paid way too much to be relied on like he is.
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Groundless Trade Thread?
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Postby Punk-101 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:39 am

King of Clutch wrote:I can't believe no one has come up with something with Utah yet. They have FOUR talented big men in Enas Kanter (who has a jumper, girth, and length.
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^^I was wondering how long that one would "linger" before someone noticed.

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