Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

lakerfan2 · by **lakerfan2** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:10 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:^It's almost December and they're still winless, I do think a fire sale is on the horizon. I would love to grab Ariza. Unfortunately I tried messing around the it on ESPN's trade machine, and I don't think we have the assets to make it happen.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ckq773z

Are you serious?

That's a horrible trade for the Lakers. HORRIBLE.

Because Pau has been nothing short of consistent for the past 2 years. Hell, give me Ryan Andersen type player for Pau.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:25 am

Blake/Clark/Ebanks should get the job done for Ariza if Wiz want to get out of his contract a lil sooner..........but um what exactly is the love affair again with Ariza? This isn't 2009 anymore, has anyone even been watching him play or even check his shooting % ever since he left LA? Its not much better then peace, actually worse at times.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:27 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Because Pau has been nothing short of consistent for the past 2 years. Hell, give me Ryan Andersen type player for Pau.

umm you make sound like Ryan Anderson is a scrub or something, he is the league leader in 3's made and % points :freak2:

but your trade idea does SUCK, Okafor really? :man3:

, thats like a more expensive version of Jordan Hill

lakerfan2 · by **lakerfan2** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:34 am

Compared to what Pau WAS, Ryan Andersen doesn't come close.

The trade was only to make light of how much Pau has SUCKED the past 2 years. gomn.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:41 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Compared to what Pau WAS, Ryan Andersen doesn't come close.

The trade was only to make light of how much Pau has SUCKED the past 2 years. gomn.

WAS is good word to use here, nobody trade on WAS especially not a WAS thats making 20mill/yr.......something I dont get with the Ariza love :man3:

either and compared to what Anderson IS doing right now, Pau can't even sniff Ryan's value in production and salary.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:42 am

khmrP wrote:Blake/Clark/Ebanks should get the job done for Ariza if Wiz want to get out of his contract a lil sooner..........but um what exactly is the love affair again with Ariza? This isn't 2009 anymore, has anyone even been watching him play or even check his shooting % ever since he left LA? Its not much better then peace, actually worse at times.

With the way MWP has been playing this season you can't even compare Ariza to him. In 25 MPG Ariza is averaging 8 points on 32% FG and 23% 3P. That's horrible, but as a backup I suppose he'll bring a different aspect to the team as someone who can finish on the fast break alongside Nash. Who knows maybe he can regain his shooting touch, but honestly I'd much rather get someone else who can provide similar results but for a lot less.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:47 am

XXIV wrote:
khmrP wrote:Blake/Clark/Ebanks should get the job done for Ariza if Wiz want to get out of his contract a lil sooner..........but um what exactly is the love affair again with Ariza? This isn't 2009 anymore, has anyone even been watching him play or even check his shooting % ever since he left LA? Its not much better then peace, actually worse at times.

With the way MWP has been playing this season you can't even compare Ariza to him. In 25 MPG Ariza is averaging 8 points on 32% FG and 23% 3P. That's horrible, but as a backup I suppose he'll bring a different aspect to the team as someone who can finish on the fast break alongside Nash. Who knows maybe he can regain his shooting touch, but honestly I'd much rather get someone else who can provide similar results but for a lot less.

I still dont understand how anyone can say Ariza has a "shooting touch" :man10:

, he got hot at the right time at very small stretch but since it was during the playoffs everyone thought he was a good shooter. Ariza has never been a good shooter prior to that playoff stretch and its even more apparent now.

purp n gold · by **purp n gold** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:54 am

Colin Cowherd as a trade nerd: Pau for Bargnani/DeRozan/pieces

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:00 am

^^ Which is why I said "regain" as in he once had it, even if it was for a short period of time. Who knows, perhaps if we had kept him he would have continued shooting the ball in a similar fashion, or at the very least be a player defenders could not play off of. I'm not trying to say it's a sure thing he'll become the player he once was, but he thrived here in LA once before so why can't it happen again? He's definitely not my first option for players to go after (I'd much rather have Pietrus), but if we can create some roster spots by getting him I wouldn't be completely opposed to it either. Sometimes a change in scenery can do wonders for a player and maybe that's all he needs.

lakerfan2 · by **lakerfan2** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:01 am

khmrP wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Compared to what Pau WAS, Ryan Andersen doesn't come close.

The trade was only to make light of how much Pau has SUCKED the past 2 years. gomn.

WAS is good word to use here, nobody trade on WAS especially not a WAS thats making 20mill/yr.......something I dont get with the Ariza love either and compared to what Anderson IS doing right now, Pau can't even sniff Ryan's value in production and salary.

of course, but he's still a 7 footer, some teams still value that.

i'm not on ariza's nuts, but only for the fact that he would solidfy our bench. i never said bring him on to be our starter, nor bring him on to do damage, but we don't have a backup SF worth playing. yeah, he's overpaid, but so is pau.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:06 am

XXIV wrote:^^ Which is why I said "regain" as in he once had it, even if it was for a short period of time. Who knows, perhaps if we had kept him he would have continued shooting the ball in a similar fashion, or at the very least be a player defenders could not play off of. I'm not trying to say it's a sure thing he'll become the player he once was, but he thrived here in LA once before so why can't it happen again? He's definitely not my first option for players to go after (I'd much rather have Pietrus), but if we can create some roster spots by getting him I wouldn't be completely opposed to it either. Sometimes a change in scenery can do wonders for a player and maybe that's all he needs.

I dont see it happening AT ALL, there is nothing to regain when there was nothing there to begin with, Ariza has always been a sub 30% shooter from 3's even during his laker tenure and sub 40% fg overall. You cannot expect a player with Ariza history to repeat such a small strtech in his career where he was way above his % shooting wise. But if we can dump Blake then I'm all for it, I dont have the same positive out look as most do here for Ariza.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:09 am

khmrP wrote:
XXIV wrote:^^ Which is why I said "regain" as in he once had it, even if it was for a short period of time. Who knows, perhaps if we had kept him he would have continued shooting the ball in a similar fashion, or at the very least be a player defenders could not play off of. I'm not trying to say it's a sure thing he'll become the player he once was, but he thrived here in LA once before so why can't it happen again? He's definitely not my first option for players to go after (I'd much rather have Pietrus), but if we can create some roster spots by getting him I wouldn't be completely opposed to it either. Sometimes a change in scenery can do wonders for a player and maybe that's all he needs.

I dont see it happening AT ALL, there is nothing to regain when there was nothing there to begin with, Ariza has always been a sub 30% shooter from 3's even during his laker tenure and sub 40% fg overall. You cannot expect a player with Ariza history to repeat such a small strtech in his career where he was way above his % shooting wise. But if we can dump Blake then I'm all for it, I dont have the same positive out look as most do here for Ariza.

Believe me I don't think any of this has much credibility either, most of us are just trying to find ways to improve the team while getting rid of some dead weight. If we could somehow swing 2-3 players for Ariza, that alone would make it worth it as we'd have generated some open roster spots which could be used to sign players such as West/Pietrus. More than anything this would be the bright side if a trade like this happened. :man10:

lakersin4 · by **lakersin4** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:34 am

He may give us more than he gave us before, you never really know. Good PG's work well with certain players & they put up career numbers. Sessions doesn't belong in the same sentence as Nash, but there were games last season where he made Matt Barnes look like the 4th-5th option on the team. I could see Ariza meshing well with Nash. But at the very least, I think we can all agree that Ariza can give us more than Ebanks. If we get him for Blake/Ebanks/Clark. A bench of Morris/Meeks/Ariza/Jamison/Hill.. That's some really solid depth, & 4/5 are young. Who knows, Pau might be taking Jamison's spot at backup PF for the rest of the season.

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:43 am

I wonder if Chicago would part with Noah/Rip/Nate Rob for Pau/Duhon

A bench of NateRob/Meeks/Rip/Jamison/Hill is top of the line IMO.

Noah/D12 would be one hell of a defensive duo.

thisbjgz · by **thisbjgz** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:51 am

Doc Brown wrote:I wonder if Chicago would part with Noah/Rip/Nate Rob for Pau/Duhon

A bench of NateRob/Meeks/Rip/Jamison/Hill is top of the line IMO.

Noah/D12 would be one hell of a defensive duo.

pipe. not a chance. Noah is a young promising big who can anchor the defenses with the best of em. Pau is aging almost out of his prime (if not already is).

thisbjgz · by **thisbjgz** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:54 am

But since we're in this topic of pipe, lol I'd take a Ariza/Okafor/Beal package for Pau anyday. Those boys at DC mind as well blow it up, they're terrible honestly.

GNC · by **GNC** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:54 am

Doc Brown wrote:I wonder if Chicago would part with Noah/Rip/Nate Rob for Pau/Duhon

A bench of NateRob/Meeks/Rip/Jamison/Hill is top of the line IMO.

Noah/D12 would be one hell of a defensive duo.

Interesting--I love Noah's game. And Rip/Nate would be nice additions to our bench; however, I wonder if Chicago would part ways with Noah for Pau considering that they are not contending this year and pau is going to be another year older when Rose gets back to the floor and is back to normal.

I'd be all for it not sure about Chicago though. Even so, neither one can hit a jump shot to save their lives.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:55 am

Doc Brown wrote:I wonder if Chicago would part with Noah/Rip/Nate Rob for Pau/Duhon

A bench of NateRob/Meeks/Rip/Jamison/Hill is top of the line IMO.

Noah/D12 would be one hell of a defensive duo.

lakersin4 · by **lakersin4** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:55 am

lakerfan2 wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:^It's almost December and they're still winless, I do think a fire sale is on the horizon. I would love to grab Ariza. Unfortunately I tried messing around the it on ESPN's trade machine, and I don't think we have the assets to make it happen.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ckq773z

If we're giving up Pau for Ariza, it's in a package containing Seraphin & Crawford. Actually, that wouldn't be too bad. Knowing the Wiz we can get their 1st too.

Don't understand why you guys are suggesting Okafor/Noah.. Gasol being too slow is one of the main reasons he doesn't fit. We don't want other slow bigs in return. Best case scenario, you get a starting SF that can play PF if we go small, which we will if we want to maximize Nash. Jamison can give us more than Pau in that starting role. Dwight + Kobe + shooters that can run, 1 of them being a top 5 PG. That's the recipe.

If we're dealing with Chicago, Deng + Nate would be a great deal.

thisbjgz · by **thisbjgz** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:59 am

lakersin4 wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:^It's almost December and they're still winless, I do think a fire sale is on the horizon. I would love to grab Ariza. Unfortunately I tried messing around the it on ESPN's trade machine, and I don't think we have the assets to make it happen.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ckq773z

If we're giving up Pau for Ariza, it's in a package containing Seraphin & Crawford. Actually, that wouldn't be too bad. Knowing the Wiz we can get their 1st too.

Don't understand why you guys are suggesting Okafor/Noah.. Gasol being too slow is one of the main reasons he doesn't fit. We don't want other slow bigs in return. Best case scenario, you get a starting SF that can play PF if we go small, which we will if we want to maximize Nash. Jamison can give us more than Pau in that starting role. Dwight + Kobe + shooters that can run, 1 of them being a top 5 PG. That's the recipe.

If we're dealing with Chicago, Deng + Nate would be a great deal.

Okafor is not at all really a slow big. He has great size and can run the floor, he's a little injury prone sure, but I think if he does come to LA he would come off the bench to play maybe 12-16 minutes, perfect for this point of his career. Can play PF(his normal position IMO, and can also play the C) He's a mini mini Horford IMO.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:10 am

thisbjgz wrote:Okafor is not at all really a slow big. He has great size and can run the floor, he's a little injury prone sure, but I think if he does come to LA he would come off the bench to play maybe 12-16 minutes, perfect for this point of his career. Can play PF(his normal position IMO, and can also play the C) He's a mini mini Horford IMO.

I dont think you actually watch enough of Okafor game if you think he is similar to Horford, Okafor is as close to Horford as Hill is.

purp n gold · by **purp n gold** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:55 pm

thisbjgz wrote:Okafor is not at all really a slow big. He has great size and can run the floor, he's a little injury prone sure, but I think if he does come to LA he would come off the bench to play maybe 12-16 minutes, perfect for this point of his career. Can play PF(his normal position IMO, and can also play the C) He's a mini mini Horford IMO.

@ Okafor in this system.

He is not at all like Horford. Al Horford is a PF masquerading as a C in the small East. Horford loves to play the David West-style 18-footer game, while Okafor parks himself in the low post.

Trust me... I have been following Okafor since he was drafted. I'm the wise guy who told my friends that the Magic will regret drafting Howard over Okafor back in 2004.

He is a smart, defensive big who can rebound. That's about it. He has heavy feet, he's slow, injury prone and does not have much of an offensive game. When he was drafted, critics projected him to be a better version of Buck Williams. I don't even think he's reached those expectations.

In his 2nd season (2006 I believe?), Okafor worked with Hakeem Olajuwon to try and develop his post game.... yes, long before Stoudemire, LeBron or even Kobe. Okafor could not handle the footwork sequences and apparently would be found on the FLOOR after tripping on his own feet.

He's a great guy, but no thank you. Okafor has Phil-Jackson-Guy written all over him: smart, prides himself in defense/rebounding, and likes to read. But for D'Antoni? He'll be riding the pine. He is FAR less useful than Pau in this system.

And Ariza can't shoot, I hate to break it to ya. Like khmrP said, Ariza never had a shooting touch to begin with, he just got hot at the right time, and he cashed in on it. I'm all for a homecoming, Ariza + MDA is an interesting thought - but if it costs Pau, no thank you. Pau can fetch us far more than that.

Punk-101 · by **Punk-101** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:37 pm

D'Antoni mentioned in his radio interview that he will make pau's skill set work in his offense, but ideally and hypothetically a player like Shawn Marion who can shoot the 3 would be perfect.

Who in the league fits that description? Just curious. Bosh, Durant, Lebron, Love, but he's not athletic enough. Who else? Anyone that would actually be a plausible trade target?

lakersin4 · by **lakersin4** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:15 pm

Punk-101 wrote:D'Antoni mentioned in his radio interview that he will make pau's skill set work in his offense, but ideally and hypothetically a player like Shawn Marion who can shoot the 3 would be perfect.

Who in the league fits that description? Just curious. Bosh, Durant, Lebron, Love, but he's not athletic enough. Who else? Anyone that would actually be a plausible trade target?

Batum & Paul George are the guys I hope we target for Pau to play that Marion role.

lakersyunowin · by **lakersyunowin** on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:41 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Punk-101 wrote:D'Antoni mentioned in his radio interview that he will make pau's skill set work in his offense, but ideally and hypothetically a player like Shawn Marion who can shoot the 3 would be perfect.

Who in the league fits that description? Just curious. Bosh, Durant, Lebron, Love, but he's not athletic enough. Who else? Anyone that would actually be a plausible trade target?

Batum & Paul George are the guys I hope we target for Pau to play that Marion role.

indiana or portland would be idiots to make that trade

Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Who is online