Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:32 am

In six starts this year during Kyle Lowry's injury, Calderon racked up 11.9 assists and 38.5 minutes per game. He also dropped an impressive 2.5 threes per game during that stretch as well as one steal.

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:39 am

Now if Toronto wanted to give us Kyle Lowry and Bargnani for Gasol, then count me in. Lowry would be the perfect PG for us...and his defense is great.

KBJelleyBean24 · by **KBJelleyBean24** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:57 am

Why are people considering Pau for Barg and Calderon? Yea Pau isn't that great defensively, but he's miles better than Bargniani, who is about as tough as a marshmallow. We have to deal with Z-bo, David Lee, Biff, Ibaka, Duncan, Faried, Dirk Nowitzki, and potentially Kevin Love out here. If we try to trot Bargniani out there we'll be chewed up and spat out by those guys on the offensive glass and in the paint. Calderon isn't exactly known as a defensive stopper either, that trade makes us worse not better IMO.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:01 am

FabFourLakers wrote:Now if Toronto wanted to give us Kyle Lowry and Bargnani for Gasol, then count me in. Lowry would be the perfect PG for us...and his defense is great.

just asking for more locker room issues, what happens when Nash gets back? Lowry or Nash wont be happy coming off the bench.

LooN3y · by **LooN3y** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:04 am

just keep pau, and magic is right, if pau is traded this team is going to blow up, we're not going to be competing for the finals this year

and people saying pau and dwight cannot coexist is on crack.

themasterphil · by **themasterphil** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:46 am

one Q for everybody......would you change this laker team for clipper team at this moment if you have that possibility??

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:07 am

themasterphil wrote:one Q for everybody......would you change this laker team for clipper team at this moment if you have that possibility??

why dont you just make it simple for yourself and just be a clipper fan?

themasterphil · by **themasterphil** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:35 am

khmrP wrote:
themasterphil wrote:one Q for everybody......would you change this laker team for clipper team at this moment if you have that possibility??

why dont you just make it simple for yourself and just be a clipper fan?

i didnt mean to become stupid clipper fan, i just think if you can switch players would you do that??

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:50 am

themasterphil wrote:
khmrP wrote:
themasterphil wrote:one Q for everybody......would you change this laker team for clipper team at this moment if you have that possibility??

why dont you just make it simple for yourself and just be a clipper fan?

i didnt mean to become stupid clipper fan, i just think if you can switch players would you do that??

rather then come up with unrealistic fantasy scenario it would be easier just to jump ship per my earlier suggestion :man10:

LooN3y · by **LooN3y** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:53 am

screw the clippers, screw them hard. screw them for having better team chemistry and winning.

god, i remember the days when we we're winning championships and the clippers was fun to watch with eric gordon and blake griffin coming along. i had no problem watching the clippers then.

but now i cant stand to see flop city having a better record than us.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:58 am

themasterphil wrote:
khmrP wrote:
themasterphil wrote:one Q for everybody......would you change this laker team for clipper team at this moment if you have that possibility??

why dont you just make it simple for yourself and just be a clipper fan?

i didnt mean to become stupid clipper fan, i just think if you can switch players would you do that??

I don't understand how that is different than being a Clipper fan.

I don't understand this post at all.

LooN3y · by **LooN3y** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:00 am

one question, would we have struggled this much with a kobe, paul, dwight roster? (fill in the blank for the rest)

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:10 am

^ Would one of them have missed basically the entire season up to this point?

themasterphil · by **themasterphil** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:11 am

therealdeal wrote:
themasterphil wrote:
khmrP wrote:
themasterphil wrote:one Q for everybody......would you change this laker team for clipper team at this moment if you have that possibility??

why dont you just make it simple for yourself and just be a clipper fan?

i didnt mean to become stupid clipper fan, i just think if you can switch players would you do that??

I don't understand how that is different than being a Clipper fan.

I don't understand this post at all.

ok forgot you have clippers and lakers.....imagine team A : nash, kobe,MWP, Gasol Howard and team B: Paul,crawford, butler, griffin jordan which team would you choose if you have the possibility to choose, simple as that

tigerjeterkobe · by **tigerjeterkobe** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:13 am

^^^ Not a fair questions, really. We are struggling because our starting PG, back up PG, and starting PF are injured, and several of our role players are d-league fodder.

This was totally avoidable had Jim and Mith done more with vets to prepare for injuries to our older players. Robinson, Pietrus, West, Martin, etc. were out there for the vet min. No need to sign unproven scrubs like Sacre, Ebanks, and Morris.

Anyway, the better question is whether we would take Paul, Dwight, Murphy, McBobs over Nash, Gasol, and Jamison.

Does that assume we would have Hill and Blake too?

Tough call. If Gasol, Blake and Nash were healthy, part of me says that is better than Chris Paul and fillers. But the other part says that CP3 with Dwight would, alone, get us wins since CP3 is better than Nash offensively and defensively, he hates to lose, would take the ball out of Kobe's hands, and would help Kobe and Ron get more defensively out of our team. CP3 has the Kobe-like killer instinct that I love.

On balance, I would love to have CP3, Kobe, Dwight, Ron, and fillers -- like Meeks, Jamison, Hill, West, Pietrus.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:15 am

The one with 4 Hall of Fame players on it. What kind of question is that?

Just because this team is struggling you want to replace them with a team that has ONE bona fide superstar? ONE player that is worth a crap? Take Chris Paul away from that team and they're a bottom feeder. Easily.

Take TWO Hall of Fame players away from our team and surprise, surprise they're having trouble winning games. This team was built top heavy and the top is hurt, it's no surprise we're struggling.

Yet when the going gets tough you want to trade our team for the Clippers? That's asinine. It's ridiculous. This team is underperforming, but we haven't seen more than 6 quarters of our starters together and never have we seen them out from under the thumb of the worst coach in Laker history.

No I don't want that Clipper roster of athletes and pretenders. You can take them if you'd like, but I'll stay with my Laker team.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:17 am

themasterphil wrote:ok forgot you have clippers and lakers.....imagine team A : nash, kobe,MWP, Gasol Howard and team B: Paul,crawford, butler, griffin jordan which team would you choose if you have the possibility to choose, simple as that

we know the bases of your post we just dont care to understand it and besides I want Heat roster anyways :man10:

LooN3y · by **LooN3y** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:19 am

therealdeal wrote:^ Would one of them have missed basically the entire season up to this point?

no completely healthy,

let me rephrase, and i know those games we're taken too seriously, but would we have been undefeated, oh i mean winless in the preseason as well?

i dont know just all ifs and buts, id just like to know your opinion

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:22 am

I have no idea what you're asking.

You want to compare this team to the fantasy team that the Lakers dreamed up with Paul/Kobe/Dwight, but who knows if those guys stay healthy?

The Lakers played ALL of the right cards in doing things the way they did. The onus for this team's problems isn't on the FO in any way shape or form (outside of coaching, but even then their fault is limited).

Who the hell knows if Paul, Howard, Bryant would be better? We havent' even SEEN WHAT WE HAVE YET. We haven't seen our "Big 4" on the court yet without being hampered by the coaching of Mike Brown. We haven't seen them, through 22 games, for more than 6 quarters. They've been on the court together for 7% of the season thus far, that's it.

And you want us to compare those? You want to compare a product we haven't seen yet to a product that never existed? Who knows?

Would we be better if Steve Nash never got hurt? Would we be better if Pau's mind wasn't broken and his knees were fine?

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:23 am

For today's NBA game and in a perfect and fantasy world , I'd only keep Kobe , D12 , Meeks and Hill from the current roster ..
Keep a couple of veterans like Duhon and Jamison then add Batum and Millsap type of forwards , a Holiday type of PG ( with a Watson coming off the bench) , add a shooter ala Steve Novak off the bench and we would be good to go ...

Our current roster is as bad a fit as it can be

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:27 am

That's so wrong it's crazy...

Our team is such a bad fit? Why? We have all the tools to be a great fit when we're healthy.

We have the best wing scorer in the history of the league. We have a great passing big man. We have the best pick and roll players in the league.

Our team SHOULD fit fine when it's healthy, but they're not healthy and they're struggling, and they're mentally broken. That doesn't mean they don't fit.

Tell me the hole in this lineup:
Nash, Meeks, Artest, Jamison, Howard

Where's the weakest point? Probably Artest offensively or Jamison defensively, but it's minimal.

Or this lineup:
Duhon, Bryant, Artest, Hill, Gasol

Again, it's probably defensively but offensively they're an almost perfect fit. Artest being the weak link there but he's still able to hit open threes.

Our team fits fine when they're healthy. They just aren't healthy right now, mentally or physically.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:29 am

^^^both lineup have slow perimeter defenders, doesn't matter if Howard is in the middle, he helps but no one helps him when guards penetrate, offensively the shooters are very very streaky minus Nash if he even shoots much.

themasterphil · by **themasterphil** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:30 am

unfortunately its like this:
Paul>Nash
Kobe>Crawford
Butler>MWP
Griffin>Pau
Howard>Jordan
3 to 2 for them, and its true, someone will say Pau is better but why, he is slow, unathletic and lazy player right now. I hope these lakers can sort some things in their heads but without defense there is no chance they can win anything, no chance. They are just too old and too slow in my opinion. But we will see what will happen, I hope lakers can make some run but i am pessimist about this one

LooN3y · by **LooN3y** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:32 am

therealdeal wrote:I have no idea what you're asking.

You want to compare this team to the fantasy team that the Lakers dreamed up with Paul/Kobe/Dwight, but who knows if those guys stay healthy?

The Lakers played ALL of the right cards in doing things the way they did. The onus for this team's problems isn't on the FO in any way shape or form (outside of coaching, but even then their fault is limited).

Who the hell knows if Paul, Howard, Bryant would be better? We havent' even SEEN WHAT WE HAVE YET. We haven't seen our "Big 4" on the court yet without being hampered by the coaching of Mike Brown. We haven't seen them, through 22 games, for more than 6 quarters. They've been on the court together for 7% of the season thus far, that's it.

And you want us to compare those? You want to compare a product we haven't seen yet to a product that never existed? Who knows?

Would we be better if Steve Nash never got hurt? Would we be better if Pau's mind wasn't broken and his knees were fine?

i dont f-ing know, who knows. but my pessimistic (since all the losses and lack of effort i've seen) mind has a hard time believe so (if nash and pau we're healthy)

this season is so frustrating to watch, like the year we didnt even make the playoffs

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:39 am

therealdeal wrote:That's so wrong it's crazy...

Our team is such a bad fit? Why? We have all the tools to be a great fit when we're healthy.

We have the best wing scorer in the history of the league. We have a great passing big man. We have the best pick and roll players in the league.

Our team SHOULD fit fine when it's healthy, but they're not healthy and they're struggling, and they're mentally broken. That doesn't mean they don't fit.

Tell me the hole in this lineup:
Nash, Meeks, Artest, Jamison, Howard

Where's the weakest point? Probably Artest offensively or Jamison defensively, but it's minimal.

Or this lineup:
Duhon, Bryant, Artest, Hill, Gasol

Again, it's probably defensively but offensively they're an almost perfect fit. Artest being the weak link there but he's still able to hit open threes.

Our team fits fine when they're healthy. They just aren't healthy right now, mentally or physically.

Good post realdeal, glad to have you back in written form again not just pictorial. :man10:

But yeah, the biggest problems we've had personnel-wise are at PG, which was partially solved when Duhon got his shot and he has been doing a good job for the most part. Yes, he doesn't help the defense, which is where a Delonte West signing would be a really good thing IMO.

The other glaring weakness has been at the 3. Ron's getting older. Ebanks, AKA DUI, hasn't panned out. You and I had hopes for him but that little stunt he pulled basically sealed his fate.

I do not understand why they FO didn't go after Pietrus after that. They had weeks to sign him to a deal. The DUI was early November and Pietrus signed with Toronto at the end of that month for vets min. We could have offered him more. His agent said the Lakers didn't even call them to check him out. Nothing. Not a word.

That to me was a big blunder. We need help at the 3 and Pietrus was a bargain. He was the right guy and we didn't even sniff at him.

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