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Postby tigerjeterkobe on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:03 pm

Playing almost starter minutes for the Lakers -- a contender with Kobe and Howard -- is not the same as coming off the bench for Hou or Toronto. I think he could be sold on being like Crawford and other 6th men, especially since the team will be his when Nash leaves and despite not starting, he will be finishing most games with Kobe, Ron, Clark, and Dwight for defensive purposes.

Come on. You think he would really prefer being in Toronto, another country for god's sake? He went there for the big contract. Now he can get paid that phat money to be a Laker and have a future with Dwight Howard. I don't know the dude, but his agent would be stupid not to sell him on that opportunity -- bright lights, big city, better endorsements, better owners, better weather, and better teammates.
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Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:08 pm

1.) Nash would be finishing the games.

2.) He went to Toronto because he got traded there, not for a big contract.

3.) He's making 6 million and doesn't even have a guaranteed deal next year.

4.) Toronto would give us Calderon before Lowry if anything.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:08 pm

tigerjeterkobe wrote:Playing almost starter minutes for the Lakers -- a contender with Kobe and Howard -- is not the same as coming off the bench for Hou or Toronto. I think he could be sold on being like Crawford and other 6th men, especially since the team will be his when Nash leaves and despite not starting, he will be finishing most games with Kobe, Ron, Clark, and Dwight for defensive purposes.

Come on. You think he would really prefer being in Toronto, another country for god's sake? He went there for the big contract. Now he can get paid that phat money to be a Laker and have a future with Dwight Howard. I don't know the dude, but his agent would be stupid not to sell him on that opportunity -- bright lights, big city, better endorsements, better owners, better weather, and better teammates.


Lakers are gona pay Lowlry big money to be a backup when Nash is here @ 9mill/yr for 2more years? They didn't want to pay ramon $5mill/yr, granted Lowlry is alot better but they're not gona pay Lowrly the salary he's gona want which is probably something high 9-10/yr, like Lawson gets.
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Postby Punk-101 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:15 pm

Lakers/Minny/Memphis

Gay, Barea, Hadaddi to Lakers
Pau and other stuff to Minny
Some stuff to Memphis

That's super lazy on my part. Anyone want to define the "stuff"?
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Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:39 pm

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Josh it's as easy as saying you want to come to LA.
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Postby tigerjeterkobe on Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:43 pm

Doc Brown wrote:1.) Nash would be finishing the games.

2.) He went to Toronto because he got traded there, not for a big contract.

3.) He's making 6 million and doesn't even have a guaranteed deal next year.

4.) Toronto would give us Calderon before Lowry if anything.



1. If the Lakers have a lead, no matter how slim, against teams with PGs like Tony Parker, CP3, Curry, Westbrook, or Lawson, why would our worst defender be out there to guard them, or left to guard much bigger SG and SFs, or force Kobe to kill himself all season defending PGs, when Lowry can do it and do it very well, while also not losing much (if anything at all) on the offensive side when we get stops? I don't think Nash would be finishing all games or that he needs or wants anything more than 30 mins a game (max).

2. Right. So he likely wants out of that country and to play with a contender.

3. Ok. Thought his deal was through next year. But either way, whether he is a one year rental or not, we need him for this year's run (if there is to be one). Regardless of what Nash signed for in the summer, it is obvious that he has lost steps, will lose more, and the MOST IMPORTANT position we have to fill to compete against SAS, OKC, Clips, Den, etc. is a fast, defending, gritty PG who can finish, hit 3s, and mesh with our other guys in pick and roll sets. So even if the Lakers have to pay another $6 to $8 million for a back up PG, it is worth it. No? [See first 30 games without Nash and Blake].

4. Why? They are faced with losing both for nothing and Lowry doesn't want to be there, and Jose has been playing just as well. Since they want to deal one or the other AND link that one to Bargnani's trash, if it is for Gasol doesn't keeping Jose make more sense for next season? Anyway -- in short, spending more for a solid backup PG who can lead the bench in scoring, defend, and mesh with the starters is worth it. IMO
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Postby tigerjeterkobe on Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:47 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Josh it's as easy as saying you want to come to LA.




Please please please, yes.

Deal with Minny, and likely lose Clark (who is at an all-time high value, SO FAR). Would be perfect for us. Then add Delonte and find a way to ship Duhon or Blake. That would also guarantee that we keep Dwight. Mitch and Jim -- get on that phone!!! :man13:
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Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:55 pm

JSmooth would definitely help in securing Dwight in LA.
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Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:12 pm

Lakers trade - Pau / Blake
Lakers get - Smith / Brooks / Salmons

Minny trades - Pek / DWill / AK47
Minny gets - Pau / Blake

Atl trades - Smith / Harris
Atl gets - AK47 / Cousins

Kings trade - Cousins / Brooks / Salmons
Kings get - Pek / DWill / Harris / Picks
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:21 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Lakers trade - Pau / Blake
Lakers get - Smith / Brooks / Salmons

Minny trades - Pek / DWill / AK47
Minny gets - Pau / Blake

Atl trades - Smith / Harris
Atl gets - AK47 / Cousins

Kings trade - Cousins / Brooks / Salmons
Kings get - Pek / DWill / Harris / Picks

Everyone makes out like champs except Minny.
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Postby karacha on Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:35 pm

I wasn't a big fan before... but now, I'd do it.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:36 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Lakers trade - Pau / Blake
Lakers get - Smith / Brooks / Salmons

Minny trades - Pek / DWill / AK47
Minny gets - Pau / Blake

Atl trades - Smith / Harris
Atl gets - AK47 / Cousins

Kings trade - Cousins / Brooks / Salmons
Kings get - Pek / DWill / Harris / Picks

Everyone makes out like champs except Minny.


I want the package that Atl is getting :man10: but seriously, Minn getting the shaft big time :man10: , giving up 2 core player in Pek/AK and a youth that still has alot of potential in Dwill for 2 players who haven't done much this season
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Postby Greatest of All Time on Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:47 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Lakers trade - Pau / Blake
Lakers get - Smith / Brooks / Salmons

Minny trades - Pek / DWill / AK47
Minny gets - Pau / Blake

Atl trades - Smith / Harris
Atl gets - AK47 / Cousins

Kings trade - Cousins / Brooks / Salmons
Kings get - Pek / DWill / Harris / Picks

Everyone makes out like champs except Minny.


I've been known to make some crazy trade ideas around these parts but I think there's just too many moving parts for something like this to work. Also, Danny Ferry has talked about the importance of cap flexibility so I'd think Atlanta would want young players with upside and picks as well.

Lakers trade Pau
Lakers get Josh Smith, ~$4-5 million contract (Barea, Ridnour, Roy)

Minnesota trades Pekovic, Williams, ~$4-5 million contract (Barea, Ridnour, Roy), picks
Minnesota gets Pau

Atlanta trades Josh Smith
Atlanta gets Pekovic, Williams, picks
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Postby Ariza3 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:26 pm

3 team trade between lakers timberwolves and hawks is more likely than 4 team trade with kings.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:30 pm

Any decent perimeter defender that can guard the 1/2's? We don't need a burned out Kobe because we lack another defender/depth to decrease his minutes...
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Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:50 pm

I don't believe the Hawks want Pau, esp with new management, but it's worth noting on teh Lakers side
that Dwight Howard and Josh Smith are childhood friends. If the priority is to keep Howard long-term, I would imagine it wouldn't hurt to have one of his best friends from the ATL alongside him.

I don't think that's why the Lakers make a move like that - but it's a factor worth noting. The decision isn't made yet on Pau.

Even if LA re-signed Smith on a big contract - it's going to be less than what Gasol is set to make next season.

Theoretically . . . also, it's very difficult to manufacture a three-team trade midseason - but they happen.


Another thing, if management is scared to deal Pau b/c of D12 leaving this offseason, they should make one hell of a push for Smith. That should take that 5% uncertainty to about 2.5%.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:07 am

Would we get Smooth's bird rights if we traded for him as we do with Dwight?
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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:12 am

How about this:

LA: Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia
SAC: Pau Gasol, DeShawn Stevenson, ATL 1st
ATL: Demarcus Cousins, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:27 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Would we get Smooth's bird rights if we traded for him as we do with Dwight?

Yes.
lakerfan2 wrote:How about this:

LA: Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia
SAC: Pau Gasol, DeShawn Stevenson, ATL 1st
ATL: Demarcus Cousins, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia

Sacremento gets shafted. They give up probably the best player in the trade for assets they don't need or want. Gasol would be good NEXT to Demarcus because it'd give him a positive role model, but Gasol on the Kings? That doesn't really help the team all that much.

Plus, Atlanta's pick will likely be pretty useless since it won't be a lottery pick and this year's draft isn't great.
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Postby Center Court on Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:34 pm

the best trade to get Smoove to LA would be to to bring in Minny to package Pek/DWill for Pau.

I'd be stoked with either Smith or Gay as Lakers... only issue is the 2014 plan.
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Postby JamrockLakaFan on Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:42 pm

I want GRANGER! lol might as well aim high, but Josh Smith on a 14mil 4yr deal is not bad cheaper than Pau but if we trade for him we have option of letting him walk and have cap space or out right trading for him and having him sign a contract.
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Postby lakersin4 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:14 pm

Center Court wrote:the best trade to get Smoove to LA would be to to bring in Minny to package Pek/DWill for Pau.

I'd be stoked with either Smith or Gay as Lakers... only issue is the 2014 plan.

That's a great return for ATL.. I just don't see Minne parting with Pek now that Love's done for the season.
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Postby kenzo on Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:01 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Center Court wrote:the best trade to get Smoove to LA would be to to bring in Minny to package Pek/DWill for Pau.

I'd be stoked with either Smith or Gay as Lakers... only issue is the 2014 plan.

That's a great return for ATL.. I just don't see Minne parting with Pek now that Love's done for the season.

Why not, they're not winning ish anyways :man12:
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Postby thisbjgz on Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:14 pm

I know for sure Mitch is exploring for Smith esp after today the news hit that Smith is engaged in trade talks earlier today by ATL management.
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Postby Damian Necronamous on Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:29 pm

I actually think Detroit could be a worthwhile trading partner for us.

Rodney Stuckey, Jason Maxiell & Charlie Villanueva for Gasol and Duhon

Stuckey has been a failed experiment there, but he obviously has natural talent and athleticism that might shine on our second unit. I'm not a big Villanueva fan but we'd take him for cap reasons and his versatility might make him a diamond in the ruff. I do like Maxiell and think he'd be a valuable second unit player.

Detroit gets Pau to pair him with Monroe at first, and eventually let him expire in two years so they can start Drummond/Monroe up front. In the mean time, it gives the two of them a solid guy to go against in practice and learn from in the low post.

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