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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:49 pm

I rather standpat than go for Bell. Cause that just tells me that the FO was willing to spend money and chose to spend it on Bell, while ignoring other (more dire) options.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:50 pm

I'd rather have a body than nothing at all though. If we're not going to go get Martin fine. If for some reason we don't want Amundson, okay. But we still NEED a backup SF, right? It's better than having nothing.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:55 pm

100 million dollar pay roll or not - injuries anc chemistry issues are a plenty. Why be penny wise and pound foolish? Without depth at the center and SF positions - players who can add energy, play smart and within themselves, and defend, this team will wear down in the next 15 games and it will all be for nothing. No playoffs. Clark is already wearing down from added minutes. Metta, Blake, Nash or Kobe or Jamison will be next. This sucks. Those exceptions for nothing?

Maybe w can nab a decent player from china or something.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:57 pm

therealdeal wrote:I'd rather have a body than nothing at all though. If we're not going to go get Martin fine. If for some reason we don't want Amundson, okay. But we still NEED a backup SF, right? It's better than having nothing.


Backup C. I don't mind Jamison or Clark playing minutes behind Metta.

We need a big who can defend the paint and just take up space while guys like Earl and play help defense and grab boards.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:06 pm

Kmart can effectively play D against the entire frontline (especially in today's NBA where playing big is a dying skillset). Yet, if an addition is made it will be for a small.

If your "future" is coming off back surgery and has ailed with a shoulder injury, wouldn't you want to protect that asset and not have him rush in there cause you can't buy him minutes off the floor?

It is what it is....hopefully if JO becomes available, we don't think twice about it.

That being said, its all about JBeezy for me right now....maybe in putting him to rest, my utter disappointment in this season can also be put to rest....maaaybe.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:22 pm

I know we all wanted to see, at the least, some capable bodies added to the end of the bench.. But I kind of like the fact that we stood pat. It lets the guys know that management feels this team as constructed is their best chance of winning this season. Should be a big confidence booster.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:28 pm

Eh. Howard isn't even logging that many minutes lately anyway. Not to mention he's a young man, even injured he can handle it.

Once Gasol returns that's 19 million reasons why we don't need another 1.7 million reasons for another person there.

Too much money to spend for a slightly improved shot at the playoffs.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby trodgers on Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:44 pm

therealdeal wrote::man10:

Our boyscout to jerk ratio is off. We need to get more jerks.

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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:49 pm

trodgers wrote:
therealdeal wrote::man10:

Our boyscout to jerk ratio is off. We need to get more jerks.

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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby khmrP on Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:01 pm

therealdeal wrote:Eh. Howard isn't even logging that many minutes lately anyway. Not to mention he's a young man, even injured he can handle it.

Once Gasol returns that's 19 million reasons why we don't need another 1.7 million reasons for another person there.

Too much money to spend for a slightly improved shot at the playoffs.


but he can't play the whole game either and pretty much all hell brake lose in the paint once he sits. We can't be booking on Pau's eventual return, who know when that will be, he's proven to be a slow healer himself over these last 2 seasons or so.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:37 pm

khmrP wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Eh. Howard isn't even logging that many minutes lately anyway. Not to mention he's a young man, even injured he can handle it.

Once Gasol returns that's 19 million reasons why we don't need another 1.7 million reasons for another person there.

Too much money to spend for a slightly improved shot at the playoffs.


but he can't play the whole game either and pretty much all hell brake lose in the paint once he sits. We can't be booking on Pau's eventual return, who know when that will be, he's proven to be a slow healer himself over these last 2 seasons or so.

Only if you really expect the Lakers to push into the Finals does any of that matter. If the team built as it is now (sustaining today's health) can't make it to the playoffs, adding another person like Martin or Amundson, or Bell, doesn't really matter. It's not going to change enough.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby kobebryant248 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:00 pm

f man i don t get it :bang: why did the fo not even try to bring kenyon martin in to the lakers fro a 10 day contract. i don t get it all of the sudden new york landed him. k mart would have brought at least toughness, defense and hustle . i don t get it because we are so thin on the frontcourt with gasol and hill out.f... :mad1:
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:15 pm

Guess now we have to wait for the free agent deadline on march 1st I believe.
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Re: Roster Improvement: 3 Bigs injured, do we shop at KMart?

Postby trodgers on Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:54 am

kobebryant248 wrote:f man i don t get it :bang: why did the fo not even try to bring kenyon martin in to the lakers fro a 10 day contract. i don t get it all of the sudden new york landed him. k mart would have brought at least toughness, defense and hustle . i don t get it because we are so thin on the frontcourt with gasol and hill out.f... :mad1:

They might have...they were looking to open a roster spot remember.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:49 am

Martin is off the market afters signing with New York. Lou Amundson is still available for insurance, but I doubt we're making that move. Raja Bell is still on our radar if he's bought out by the Jazz; the Jazz have made no formal comment about his contract status and the potential for his buyout depends a lot on time. They've already paid him a decent portion of his contract and if the Lakers gave him their injured player exception of around 1.7 million he'd make up basically his entire contract AND get to play in LA. He would just need to accept the buyout.

It's not an exciting add, but hey we aren't using Ebanks and we literally have no backup SF right now. It couldn't hurt.

The future however looks pretty bright for free agents this summer. The new CBA was "designed to protect the smaller players" but instead did the opposite. Teams are going to overpay for stars no matter what, so the role players will have to accept an even smaller salary as dictated by the market. We saw that with guys like Barbosa going for the minimum, when he'd be worth more in the last CBA.

Here's a list of guys that'll be free agents this summer and could used for really solid depth if they were willing to sign for cheap here:

Zaza Pachulia, Kyle Korver, Johan Petro, Dahntay Jones, Anthony Tolliver, Chris Wilcox, Jerry Stackhouse, Keith Bogans, Andray Blatche, DaSagana Diop, Josh McRoberts, Gerald Henderson, Marco Belinelli, Nazr Mohammed, Vladimir Radmanovic, Nate Robinson, Daequan Cook, Daniel Gibson, Omri Casspi, Wayne Ellington, Shaun Livingston, Chris Kaman, Anthony Morrow, Rodrigue Beaubois, Elton Brand, Dominique Jones, Darren Collison, Brandan Wright, Corey Brewer, Timofey Mozgov, Jose Calderon, Corey Maggette, Jason Maxiell, Will Bynum, Jarrett Jack, D.J. Augustin, Tyler Hansborough, Jeff Pendergraph, Lamar Odom, Chauncey Billups, Matt Barnes, Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Hollins, Tony Allen, Austin Daye, Samuel Dalembert, Mike Dunleavy, Joel Pryzbilla, Marquis Daniels, Chase Budinger, Al-Farouq Aminu, Xavier Henry, Roger Mason Jr., Kurt Thomas, Rasheed Wallace, Ronnie Brewer, Beno Udrih, Nick Young, Dorrell Wright, Damien Wilkens, Royal Ivey, Wesley Johnson, Jermaine O'Neal, Eric Maynor, James Johnson, Cole Aldrich, Toney Douglas, Stephen Jackson, Tiago Splitter, Dejuan Blair, Gary Neal, Sebastian Telfair, Randy Foye, Earl Watson, Jamaal Tinsley, Demarre Carroll, Martell Webster, Jason Collins, Leandro Barbosa, Cartier Martin, and A.J. Price.

I'll go through hopefully some time today and break this down by position (or one of you can). Before I get blasted, I know some of these guys are going to go for big bucks. All I'm saying is the free agent market will be rich and once we settle the Dwight Howard situation, we SHOULD see an influx of capable free agents coming here.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:23 pm

PG:
Nate Robinson*
Shaun Livingston*
Rodrigue Beaubois
Darren Collison
Jose Calderon
Will Bynum
Jarrett Jack
D.J. Augustin
Chauncey Billups
Beno Udrih
Royal Ivey*
Eric Maynor
Toney Douglas
Sebastian Telfair*
Earl Watson
Jamaal Tinsley*
Leandro Barbosa*
A.J. Price*

SG:
Kyle Korver
Dahntay Jones
Jerry Stackhouse*
Keith Bogans*
Daequan Cook*
Daniel Gibson
Wayne Ellington*
Dominique Jones*
Corey Maggette
Tony Allen
Xavier Henry
Roger Mason Jr.*
Ronnie Brewer*
Nick Young
Damien Wilkens*
Gary Neal
Randy Foye
Cartier Martin*

SF:
Gerald Henderson
Marco Belinelli
Omri Casspi
Anthony Morrow
Corey Brewer
Matt Barnes*
Austin Daye
Mike Dunleavy
Marquis Daniels*
Chase Budinger
Al-Farouq Aminu
Dorrell Wright
Wesley Johnson
James Johnson
Stephen Jackson
Demarre Carroll
Martell Webster

PF:
Anthony Tolliver*
Chris Wilcox*
Andray Blatche
Josh McRoberts
Vladimir Radmanovic*
Elton Brand
Brandan Wright
Jason Maxiell
Tyler Hansborough
Jeff Pendergraph
Lamar Odom
Ronny Turiaf*
Rasheed Wallace*
Tiago Splitter
Dejuan Blair

C:
Zaza Pachulia
Johan Petro
Dasagana Diop
Nazr Mohammed*
Chris Kaman
Timofey Mozgov
Ryan Hollins*
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Pryzbilla*
Kurt Thomas*
Jermaine O’Neal*
Cole Aldrich
Jason Collins*

* = Signed for the minimum this season.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:38 pm

therealdeal wrote:PG:
Nate Robinson*
Shaun Livingston*
Rodrigue Beaubois
Darren Collison
Jose Calderon
Will Bynum
Jarrett Jack
D.J. Augustin
Chauncey Billups
Beno Udrih
Royal Ivey*
Eric Maynor
Toney Douglas
Sebastian Telfair*
Earl Watson
Jamaal Tinsley*
Leandro Barbosa*
A.J. Price*

SG:
Kyle Korver
Dahntay Jones
Jerry Stackhouse*
Keith Bogans*
Daequan Cook*
Daniel Gibson
Wayne Ellington*
Dominique Jones*
Corey Maggette
Tony Allen
Xavier Henry
Roger Mason Jr.*
Ronnie Brewer*
Nick Young
Damien Wilkens*
Gary Neal
Randy Foye
Cartier Martin*

SF:
Gerald Henderson
Marco Belinelli
Omri Casspi
Anthony Morrow
Corey Brewer
Matt Barnes*
Austin Daye
Mike Dunleavy
Marquis Daniels*
Chase Budinger
Al-Farouq Aminu
Dorrell Wright
Wesley Johnson
James Johnson
Stephen Jackson
Demarre Carroll
Martell Webster

PF:
Anthony Tolliver*
Chris Wilcox*
Andray Blatche
Josh McRoberts
Vladimir Radmanovic*
Elton Brand
Brandan Wright
Jason Maxiell
Tyler Hansborough
Jeff Pendergraph
Lamar Odom
Ronny Turiaf*
Rasheed Wallace*
Tiago Splitter
Dejuan Blair

C:
Zaza Pachulia
Johan Petro
Dasagana Diop
Nazr Mohammed*
Chris Kaman
Timofey Mozgov
Ryan Hollins*
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Pryzbilla*
Kurt Thomas*
Jermaine O’Neal*
Cole Aldrich
Jason Collins*

* = Signed for the minimum this season.


I like the list of SF, nice combo's of youth and experience.....if we can dump MWP with Pau or whatevers any 2 of these would be great Buddinger, Dunleavy, Capt. Jack, Morrow, Wright. So basically guys who can hit OPEN shots unlike MWP :man10: Also liking list of affordable SG names, I'm over Jodie, he's cheap but we now see why. Name I'm "sort" of intrigue is Ellington, for some reason I see him as a potential version of Danny Green, pretty much useless in Clev but with SA offense he is a dangerous 3pt shooter and solid overall contributor, I'm thinking if he was used properly like that he could replicate Green game.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:00 pm

Billy Hunter didn't negotiate anything for the players. The owners got all of the concessions they wanted, including the ability to slowly lower salaries over the next 5-10 years. First the role players are getting less, and once they're signed for minimum or a thereabouts, it will be hard to justify the max salaries to everyone else. The new CBA is working for the owners, one step at a time.

The only reason the owners didn't get everything the hockey owners did was because of market pressures. Lucky for the players, the endorsement guys like Nike and Adidas wanted a season, and Stern had too much to lose globally if he stops trying to expand for a year.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby themasterphil on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:15 pm

khmrP wrote:
therealdeal wrote:PG:
Nate Robinson*
Shaun Livingston*
Rodrigue Beaubois
Darren Collison
Jose Calderon
Will Bynum
Jarrett Jack
D.J. Augustin
Chauncey Billups
Beno Udrih
Royal Ivey*
Eric Maynor
Toney Douglas
Sebastian Telfair*
Earl Watson
Jamaal Tinsley*
Leandro Barbosa*
A.J. Price*

SG:
Kyle Korver
Dahntay Jones
Jerry Stackhouse*
Keith Bogans*
Daequan Cook*
Daniel Gibson
Wayne Ellington*
Dominique Jones*
Corey Maggette
Tony Allen
Xavier Henry
Roger Mason Jr.*
Ronnie Brewer*
Nick Young
Damien Wilkens*
Gary Neal
Randy Foye
Cartier Martin*

SF:
Gerald Henderson
Marco Belinelli
Omri Casspi
Anthony Morrow
Corey Brewer
Matt Barnes*
Austin Daye
Mike Dunleavy
Marquis Daniels*
Chase Budinger
Al-Farouq Aminu
Dorrell Wright
Wesley Johnson
James Johnson
Stephen Jackson
Demarre Carroll
Martell Webster

PF:
Anthony Tolliver*
Chris Wilcox*
Andray Blatche
Josh McRoberts
Vladimir Radmanovic*
Elton Brand
Brandan Wright
Jason Maxiell
Tyler Hansborough
Jeff Pendergraph
Lamar Odom
Ronny Turiaf*
Rasheed Wallace*
Tiago Splitter
Dejuan Blair

C:
Zaza Pachulia
Johan Petro
Dasagana Diop
Nazr Mohammed*
Chris Kaman
Timofey Mozgov
Ryan Hollins*
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Pryzbilla*
Kurt Thomas*
Jermaine O’Neal*
Cole Aldrich
Jason Collins*

* = Signed for the minimum this season.


I like the list of SF, nice combo's of youth and experience.....if we can dump MWP with Pau or whatevers any 2 of these would be great Buddinger, Dunleavy, Capt. Jack, Morrow, Wright. So basically guys who can hit OPEN shots unlike MWP :man10: Also liking list of affordable SG names, I'm over Jodie, he's cheap but we now see why. Name I'm "sort" of intrigue is Ellington, for some reason I see him as a potential version of Danny Green, pretty much useless in Clev but with SA offense he is a dangerous 3pt shooter and solid overall contributor, I'm thinking if he was used properly like that he could replicate Green game.


i have few names and i think they would be ideal for lakers next season: Foye( ideal for this system), Young(young fast can shoot), Henderson, Budinger, Hansborough, Turiaf, Blair
so something like this next season
Nash/Blake
Kobe/Foye
SF(from Gasol trade)/ Budinger
Clark, Hansborough
Howard, Hill
of course its possible to pack Gasol and Blake and get PG and SF.....Metta for high 1st round pick
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:30 pm

The list of names is solid but I hate speculating on this right now.

My thoughts: If we don't make the playoffs, everyone is on the block except Kobe/Nash/Clark/Hill/Jamo...@ $48M.....(before Pau/MWP) add possibly D12 and we're @ $68M. I think the D12 decision will be largely based on how this season ends.

If no D12, we likely hang on to Pau @ $67M....in which case, SOMEONE is getting moved out of MWP/Nash and possibly a big.

If D12 stays, Pau is gone, but that still puts us at $68M before MWP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but won't we only have the MLE at that point? I thought you could exceed salary cap in re-signing players, but not signing them out of free agency?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:39 pm

want NO part of Nick Young, looks like JR Smith out there with his chucking but at only half the talent.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Jarrett Jack would be the top of my list. Even though he's going to command money. If he'd take 3yrs@Mini-MLE., :deal:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:45 pm

I think he loves it in Oakland though and Mark Jackson really uses him a lot.

I should know, I have him on my fantasy team. :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:45 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:Jarrett Jack would be the top of my list. Even though he's going to command money. If he'd take 3yrs@Mini-MLE., :deal:


yea I would've said him too but him taking that type of money is unlikely and we would need to get rid of Blake 1st as well.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:47 pm

khmrP wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Jarrett Jack would be the top of my list. Even though he's going to command money. If he'd take 3yrs@Mini-MLE., :deal:


yea I would've said him too but him taking that type of money is unlikely and we would need to get rid of Blake 1st as well.


eh, trade him for a 2nd rounder or use the amnesty on him. :man10:
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