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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:19 am

LAKEROC wrote:John Wall went for 37 points, 4 rebounds and 5 assists tonight against Indiana. He looked phenomenal. He had a phenomenal game, other than at the free throw line. The Lakers need to pray this guy takes that 1 year QO. He would be our most electrifying point guard we have had since magic Johnson. He looks like he is finally learning to shoot from outside. Once he does that consistently, he will be a top 3 PG in this league next year.



IMO he takes the 1 year QO- his agent know we're going to have MAX money and need that PG to pair with Dwight.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:11 am

get us a bench guy that can create his own shot, have we EVER had one of these?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:28 am

khmrP wrote:get us a bench guy that can create his own shot, have we EVER had one of these?

Yes.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:41 am

^ Lamar.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:42 am

Shannon to some extent and Farmar. They weren't fantastic. They weren't Crawford or Bledsoe. But they're a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:50 am

I didn't think lamar was good shot creator, I mean more a Crawford type who can go 1 on 1 when the offense is broken. I didn't see that out of Lamar, farmar/brown I agree, we need something like those 2.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:16 am

I'm still on the Wall bandwagon too.. Would the Wizards take on Nash & Pau if Wall told them he wasn't going to re-sign? Get athletic guys like Wall, Ariza, Seraphin.. Hopefully we look into something like that.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:18 am

lakersin4 wrote:I'm still on the Wall bandwagon too.. Would the Wizards take on Nash & Pau if Wall told them he wasn't going to re-sign? Get athletic guys like Wall, Ariza, Seraphin.. Hopefully we look into something like that.


answer is obvious, unless you have the same brain pattern as LAKEROC
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:37 am

I don't know.. Nene/Pau is a really interesting fit. Especially with Nash back in control of an offense. Then they still have their future star in Beal. Could work for them, especially if Wall tells them he'll walk for nothing.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:41 am

You don't trade a guy like Wall unless it's the last resort and if you do, you don't trade for old guys.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:52 am

It could end up being a last resort, but the Lakers aren't front runners for Wall.

I could see Kevin Love getting moved in a Wall trade. Love to WAS, Wall to 3rd team (LAKERS!?!), and Pau to MIN? + pieces.

Obviously this is me being pipe, but I don't think some kind of 3-team trade is out of the question for Wall. I think he wants to get out of WAS, so WAS may not have a choice but to trade.

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:55 am

lakersin4 wrote:I don't know.. Nene/Pau is a really interesting fit. Especially with Nash back in control of an offense. Then they still have their future star in Beal. Could work for them, especially if Wall tells them he'll walk for nothing.


Put yourself in there shoes with Howard, would you trade Howard for 2 old guys and no other assests if Howard said he doesn't want to resign here?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:57 am

No, but that's because I'm a douche bag. You know why? Because my first thought was,

"hell no, we're the Lakers"

Washington wishes they had that clout.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:59 am

Chillbongo wrote:No, but that's because I'm a douche bag. You know why? Because my first thought was,

"hell no, we're the Lakers"

Washington wishes they had that clout.


do they need it? MONEY speaks volumes under these new CBA, its probably #1 reason Howard would resign here.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:14 pm

Yeah, well we're kind of in that situation with Pau. But it's more because Pau has dwindled. We're going to take less than we deserve for Pau.

IF a Dwight trade was on the table, we'd still not settle for what other teams would. Money talks but, location, location, location.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:37 pm

Washington really isn't that stressed over money. By the time Wall expires the only major contract on board is Nene. Beal is still on his rookie contract along with a few other young guys, but other than that there's no real money tied up.

They have no real motive to moving Wall for other pieces. If Wall wanted to let money go, he can walk, and it'd probably be best for both teams. Washington gets a ton of cap to build around Beal and Nene and Wall leaves.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby JSM on Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:18 pm

therealdeal wrote:You don't trade a guy like Wall unless it's the last resort and if you do, you don't trade for old guys.

Especially when you aren't in a win now mode. Trading for Pau and Nash would make more sense if you're a playoff team and are one or two pieces away from contending. Wizards are five starters away from contending.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:44 pm

JSM wrote:
therealdeal wrote:You don't trade a guy like Wall unless it's the last resort and if you do, you don't trade for old guys.

Especially when you aren't in a win now mode. Trading for Pau and Nash would make more sense if you're a playoff team and are one or two pieces away from contending. Wizards are five starters away from contending.

Good point.

There's really nothing we could offer them that would really make sense for them. Unless we volunteered to take on Nene's horrid contract.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:42 am

Will Bynum and Randy Foye are the two guards I'd want. Those 2 back Nash/Kobe would be very nice. Problem is, that in all likely hood, we can't afford them

Jarret Jack is also available this summer, but again, doubt we can afford him.

I'm going to think we are keeping MDA and thus here is what we need:

1)Speed/defensive/penetration at the backup PG
2) Athletic SF who can guard the ebst player on the other team and be a knock down shooter
3)A guard who can come up the bench and be a go to scorer like Crawford and JR Swish
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:30 pm

i miss having shannon brown off the bench. hes getting DNP's now for the Suns. He was explosive...would finish a fast break guaranteed. would get back on d. could stay in front of his man some what. could hit outside shots. free throws.

id take him back. his dunks and alleyoops could change a game. him and blake worked well together.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:57 pm

Do you think there is any chance the Lakers trade Nash this offseason? It seems like it would be against our franchises character despite being the smart basketball decision. He has essentially been turned into a spot up shooter with no defense. I think Blake might be a better fit right now with "Free Safety" Kobe and the plodding MWP already on the perimeter.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:58 pm

Hickson? Athletic PF who can has a nice mid range game

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/04/writing_is_on_the_wall_jj_hickson_and_the_trail_bl.html

There are no hard feelings and no regrets, but it appears this will be the final week that J.J. Hickson and the Trail Blazers are together, with both sides acknowledging this week that the writing is on the wall.
The Blazers, who have given up the most interior points in the NBA, want to find a more defensive-oriented center next season, while Hickson - a power forward who bit his tongue and played as an undersized center for the Blazers - wants to start, and is eager to test his market value when he becomes an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

Blazers general manager Neil Olshey this week said he is not ruling out keeping Hickson on the roster, but he doubts the team will have the role, and the money, to pacify Hickson’s desires next season.

“For us to make a jump next season, J.J. can’t be our starting center,’’ Olshey said, referencing the Blazers’ 47.4 points allowed in the paint per game, an NBA high. “I’m not saying he can’t be part of the roster. But we need to find a starting-caliber center who protects the rim and gets defensive rebounds at a high rate and that has a presence. And we have to do a better job at defending the paint. So you have to ask: Is it likely there is enough minutes to commit the kind of dollars J.J. will command, when clearly there are other positions that need to be upgraded? Probably not.’’
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:11 pm

They want a defensive Center, eh?

Then I guess that report about Portland being interested in Pau is way off base. :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:11 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:Do you think there is any chance the Lakers trade Nash this offseason? It seems like it would be against our franchises character despite being the smart basketball decision. He has essentially been turned into a spot up shooter with no defense. I think Blake might be a better fit right now with "Free Safety" Kobe and the plodding MWP already on the perimeter.


I still think a Nash/Kobe backcourt could work. We need a faster more athletic front-court, though. Nash isn't the best defender and Kobe has been suspect this year at best. However, the problem gets exacerbated when you a slow Metta, Pau, and this year a hobbled Howard in the 1st half of the season.

If we address this problem in the off-season by adding players that are quicker in the SF, PF, positions, we could compensate for Kobe and Nash in the backcourt with more team speed that would go a long way. We've seen what Earl can do when he contribute as I've said before. We'll see, though.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:13 am

He's not young or athletic :man10: but what do you guys think bout giving the full mini MLE to Dunleavy if Metta opts out and ext. for less for longer years? Dunleavy is decent backup for both the 3 and the 2 at times. He's slow and doesn't play much D but if this dude got the green light like Meeks I couldn't imagine him shooting as horribly as Meeks is right now.
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