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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:24 pm

Center Court wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Weezy wrote:I like Garcia, but I don't think he's any better than Blake, so I wouldn't see the point.


Garcia is a SF.


Garcia is a Battier type player- little bit meaner.

Great locker room guy, very good defender, can hit the open 3, and would could maybbbee had for the Vet Min. If we can add a quality starting SF Ideal player to get mins at the 2/3 off the bench.

O man getting him for the vet minimum would be a steal :man13:


well..... maybe not a steal because he's not a truly great player, but for what we need and can afford that would be a great signing
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Pig Miller on Sun May 12, 2013 3:58 pm

Here's my list of guys i think are worth looking at and may come relative cheap.

Dorrell Wright
James Jones
Brandon Rush
CJ Watson
Marco Bellinelli
Daquan Cook
Anthony Morrow

Can Xavier Henry play? Worth taking a flyer on assuming we drop ebanks/morris/etc? His numbers atrocious, but curious if he's worth a spot on the team more than some of our other young guys
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Helljumper on Sun May 12, 2013 6:51 pm

A few years back, Kobe and Garcia got into it while he was still on the Kings. I've never really liked the guy, but after that game, I jokingly thought that we would definitely get Garcia to keep with the trend of going after players who stood up to Kobe (Metta, Barnes).

Anyways, he would be a solid pick-up ... as a last resort. If after trading Pau, we've filled all our roster holes other than back-up SF and only have the mini-MLE/minimum as a tool to fill that spot, then sure. I'd rather go after proven guys with a skillset that we need (shooting) than getting another Ebanks.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sun May 12, 2013 7:04 pm

Pig Miller wrote:Here's my list of guys i think are worth looking at and may come relative cheap.

Dorrell Wright
James Jones
Brandon Rush
CJ Watson
Marco Bellinelli
Daquan Cook
Anthony Morrow

Can Xavier Henry play? Worth taking a flyer on assuming we drop ebanks/morris/etc? His numbers atrocious, but curious if he's worth a spot on the team more than some of our other young guys


Nice list. Ifwe're stuck with Gasol, Dantoni should make him a back up C no matter how much he pouts.
Kobe
DH
Gasol
Nash
Clark(only if its a bargain)
Hill
Glock
Blake

GTFO to Morris, Ebanks, Duhon, Jamison, Meeks, MWP. If we can dump Gasol, Blake and Nash I won't be sad.
Wright, Rush, Watson and Robinson intrigue me.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 12, 2013 7:59 pm

How many guys out there are actually specialist defenders and dont suck on offense ....like 12 to 15? (Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Thabo, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Hinrich, Delfino, Shane Battier, Mario Chalmers, Corey Brewer, Eric Bledsoe, Iman Shumpert, Randy Foye, Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee, Francisco Garcia...Ariza used to be here)...heck even Tony Allen has to be substituted out late in games & during critical stretches...PG/SG/SF is a true skill position on offense we cant have black holes here like in the past...we can get away with that when it comes to PF/C position as they can be used to set screens (Ibaka, Perskins, Haslem, Asik, Nick Collison, Taj Gibson, Chandler, Hansbrough come to mind)

I mean these types of NBA above average defenders are so hard to find...2 way players like Holliday, Conley, Iguodala, Paul George are above average on both ends & can hold their own on Defense but they're stars and we're talking about adding perimeter role players here. Its really hard to find guys who lock up other NBA players & not suck on offense we just need to find players who can hit 3s and hope they play adequate defense (like Sasha did in 2008)...Wright, Morrow, Dunleavy fit the bill IMO

Somene whos sneaky and under the radar is Omri Casspi. Hes very much like Sasha where he gives everything he has and sometimes that can lead to bonehead fouls/T's but at least he brings intensity on D and can hit 3s (35% for his career in 4yrs in SAC/CLE)
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun May 12, 2013 9:02 pm

Please no to Omri Casspi. 'You guys thought Sessions folded under pressure. Casspi your right tries really hard but I have never seen him come up big in pressured situations. The bright lights of LA and the expectations here would eat him up.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Mon May 13, 2013 12:12 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:Please no to Omri Casspi. 'You guys thought Sessions folded under pressure. Casspi your right tries really hard but I have never seen him come up big in pressured situations. The bright lights of LA and the expectations here would eat him up.



What pressure have you seen him under?

Casspi is feisty, big, long, defends VERY well, brings intensity and is decent at hitting the open shot.

Vet Min- YES PLEASE.

The one thing this free agent class has is plenty of quality wing bench players. All for different reasons but all good. C Brewer, R Brewer, Morrow, Wright, Garcia, Casspi, James Johnson, Henry, Aminu, Wes Johnson, Budinger, Dunleav, Foye.

All would be good fits for different reasons. Max those guys (some) will the the MLE, most a portion, and some minimum.

Doesn't mean that they become the savior of our team, but they become part of a team this is severely lacking in that category: shooting, youth, energy, defense, and athleticism.

This off seaoson comes down to trade options. Unless Korver or Jack want to sign here for cheap, free agency alone isn't going to drastically improve us. What can Pau bring back? Does Blake have any value? Do we trade Jordan Hill and replace him with cheap vets like Turiaf?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 12:25 am

For veteran's minimum why not?? Beggars cant be choosers!
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby WilliamHaven on Mon May 13, 2013 1:04 am

Garcia hasn't played close to a full season in 5-6 years
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon May 13, 2013 7:53 am

Weezy wrote:Really? As long as I've seen him I feel like he's played PG or SG, and he's only 6'7 and not the biggest guy, so he seems a little undersized. And again, he's 31, so we'd be staying just as old, he's not what I'd call athletic either. I guess he can shoot, but to me he seems like Barnes with less hustle.


he's better than Barnes and more duche like too.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 10:32 am

Garcia would be a perfect fit for this team, heck even as a starter

Heres how he did in the playoffs: 10.7 points, 3.3 rebs, 1.5 asssists in 27 mins. 44% FG, 46% from 3s in 27 minutes. He's only 31 and has a ton of gas left in him as his Kings haven't been to the playoffs. He can shoot 3s and play above adequate defense. Hes pretty much in the Shane Battier mold, only thing is he cant guard PF's like Battier can sometimes
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon May 13, 2013 11:11 am

Center Court wrote:
Battle Tested20 wrote:Please no to Omri Casspi. 'You guys thought Sessions folded under pressure. Casspi your right tries really hard but I have never seen him come up big in pressured situations. The bright lights of LA and the expectations here would eat him up.



What pressure have you seen him under?

Casspi is feisty, big, long, defends VERY well, brings intensity and is decent at hitting the open shot.

Vet Min- YES PLEASE.

The one thing this free agent class has is plenty of quality wing bench players. All for different reasons but all good. C Brewer, R Brewer, Morrow, Wright, Garcia, Casspi, James Johnson, Henry, Aminu, Wes Johnson, Budinger, Dunleav, Foye.

All would be good fits for different reasons. Max those guys (some) will the the MLE, most a portion, and some minimum.

Doesn't mean that they become the savior of our team, but they become part of a team this is severely lacking in that category: shooting, youth, energy, defense, and athleticism.

This off seaoson comes down to trade options. Unless Korver or Jack want to sign here for cheap, free agency alone isn't going to drastically improve us. What can Pau bring back? Does Blake have any value? Do we trade Jordan Hill and replace him with cheap vets like Turiaf?

Didn't know Budinger was available.. He moves to the top of the list with Corey Brewer. We also really need a guy like Foye but no way we get all 3. That'd be the ideal offseason if we keep the core intact.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby gcclaker on Mon May 13, 2013 11:12 am

Garcia is a better shooter but Barnes edges him when it comes to slashing, cutting and picking up garbage points. The latter has a better motor where the opposing defense has to account for him. From what I've seen of him, Garcia is more of a perimeter player.

Budinger would be a good fit with his overall game though I am not sure if he's affordable. Brewer is a pipe dream. He'll likley re-up with Denver.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Mon May 13, 2013 11:15 am

We really need to cash in on Duhon's non-guaranteed deal and ship him to some team that has an extra body they don't feel like playing.

Get a wing with the mini-MLE and be aggressive in recruiting when it comes to getting someone here on the minimum.

If we could somehow come out of this offseason with 3 perimeter players we should be in good shape.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon May 13, 2013 11:17 am

Doc Brown wrote:We really need to cash in on Duhon's non-guaranteed deal and ship him to some team that has an extra body they don't feel like playing.

Get a wing with the mini-MLE and be aggressive in recruiting when it comes to getting someone here on the minimum.

If we could somehow come out of this offseason with 3 perimeter players we should be in good shape.

Blake's value is probably as high as it'll ever be right now as well.. If we can get a decent backup PG I wouldn't mind shipping them both out. If we're going to attempt to save money, do it at the expense of those most easily replaced.. There's a million good backup PG's in the league today.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 11:23 am

If not Corey Brewer then Ronnie Brewer? haha All D no O
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby nluna75 on Mon May 13, 2013 11:43 am

I know we don't have even a punchers chance to get Chris Paul but Simmons in his most recent article for Grantland had this minor little hope nugget.......

13.Don't rule out Chris Paul becoming a Laker next year. Here's how they could pull it off: If they amnestied Kobe Bryant, then traded Pau Gasol to Houston for a dirt-cheap salary (say, Donatas Motiejunas), they'd suddenly be lopping close to $49 million off next year's cap, leaving them with commitments to Metta World Peace, Steve Nash, Steve Blake, Chris Duhon, Jordan Hill, and Gasol's cheap replacement for less than $30 million. That's more than enough to sign Chris Paul and re-sign Dwight Howard if they took a little less … which they might, since it's the Lakers and all


It's always fun to think about how we can get this superstar or that star but his little note got me thinking and somehow I ended up on this reddit faq about Paul joining the Lakers. There are no rumors or anything like that but it has the Lakers salary cap breakdown, the NBA salary cap and various other NBA/CBA nuances all in one tidy faq. Give it look if you have some time. I found interesting but hopeful to see our cap situation in 2014.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 11:44 am

Nah we aint amnestying Kobe and Houston sure as hell ain't trading for Pau when they can get better players + keep the cheap salaried guy like Montiejunas
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Mon May 13, 2013 11:54 am

The only way the Lakers would ever amnesty Kobe is IF he decided he could not play next year and pubcly supported the franchise in amnestying him.

Jimbo is already on a short lease with fans and axing Kobe would incite a riot.

Seeing how Kobe has on multiple occasions made statements about not getting amnestied, I doubt he has ANY plans of doing so.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon May 13, 2013 12:13 pm

WilliamHaven wrote:Garcia hasn't played close to a full season in 5-6 years

yeah because he's been stuck on a bench, not because of injuries from what I remember
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 4:18 pm

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/334026355090014208

NBA sources: Rockets will not pick up the 2013-14 team option on Francisco Garcia's contract which is worth $6,400,000.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Mon May 13, 2013 4:32 pm

If Garcia would sign here for cheap I would take him, I've always liked his game. I'd love to go after Budinger, Wright, CJ Watson, guys like that.

As for Omri Casspi, to the poster who said he hasn't come up big in pressure situations, when has he had the opportunity? He's been in the league 4 seasons, never been to the playoffs. From what I remember about him he was a gamer, he always got up to play us and go against Kobe, I would take a chance on him for cheap as well.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby GoldenKnight on Mon May 13, 2013 6:11 pm

As long as we have Pau around we aren't doing anything next year
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby D.B. Cooper on Mon May 13, 2013 7:45 pm

I like Garcia too but seems to be injury prone the last few years.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon May 13, 2013 9:36 pm

If OKC loses this series, maybe they're interested in S&T Dwight for WB & Ibaka. One of few Dwight trades that makes sense for us. Westbrook can exist with Kobe just like he does with Durant. More of a 1A 1B situation than we have with Dwight. Ibaka compliments Pau perfectly.
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