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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dj vitus on Mon May 13, 2013 9:58 pm

Can't do S&T since we are over the $70M luxury tax cap. New CBA rules. :man5:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon May 13, 2013 10:49 pm

dj vitus wrote:Can't do S&T since we are over the $70M luxury tax cap. New CBA rules. :man5:

We can send players out via S&T to teams below the tax, we just can't receive players via S&T because we're taxpayers.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 11:23 pm

A free agent becomes be restricted when their team issues a Qualifying Offer. Only players coming off a first-round rookie scale contract or with three or fewer years in the league (whose rookie scale options were not declined) are eligible. Teams need to officially issue that Offer by June 30, 2013, to make a player restricted..


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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Tue May 14, 2013 8:08 am

lakersin4 wrote:If OKC loses this series, maybe they're interested in S&T Dwight for WB & Ibaka. One of few Dwight trades that makes sense for us. Westbrook can exist with Kobe just like he does with Durant. More of a 1A 1B situation than we have with Dwight. Ibaka compliments Pau perfectly.


doubt OKC does that nvm the fact Howard wouldn't even consider a small market like OKC even with Durant there.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue May 14, 2013 9:35 am

Francisco Garcia would be interesting. He'd add another NBA quality player in our rotation. More importantly, he can hit the open shot & he's a decent defender. I'd take him.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby abeer3 on Tue May 14, 2013 10:16 am

i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 10:31 am

abeer3 wrote:i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.

Say the Lakers really DO stand pat this season (which is very likely with some minor changes), they'll shore up the roster with guys like that for sure.

And if they added some guys in that ilk and by some miracle of God were relatively healthy next season a roster of:

Nash/Blake
Bryant/Meeks
Wright/Delfino
Gasol/Clark
Howard/Hill

would still be a decent team. Just a fully healthy Howard makes that team alright (even given Kobe being limited). Obviously I'd love to change Gasol into a serviceable SF and I'd really like to move on from the Blake/Meeks era, but that team would still be a playoff team for sure.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 12:39 pm

Let's just trade for Kevin Love by taking on some of their longer contracts. If we get Love, 2014 plan doesn't matter.

MIN can try out Rubio/Gasol/Pekovic/Kirilenko....and if they strike out they can start over in 2014. Rubio won't be upset because he wants Pau. We include Blake in the deal for matching.

Then we sign Leandro Barbosa for the league minimum and get DJ Augustin using the mini MLE.

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Tue May 14, 2013 12:53 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Let's just trade for Kevin Love by taking on some of their longer contracts. If we get Love, 2014 plan doesn't matter.

MIN can try out Rubio/Gasol/Pekovic/Kirilenko....and if they strike out they can start over in 2014. Rubio won't be upset because he wants Pau. We include Blake in the deal for matching.

Then we sign Leandro Barbosa for the league minimum and get DJ Augustin using the mini MLE.

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I don't think Love for Pau is possible but I wouldn't mind making Minne gut their roster for him. Let them keep the 3 headed monster of Love/Pau/Pek with Rubio.. Give us AK, D. Williams, Barea, Cunningham. I'd be extremely happy with that haul & I think it shores up multiple problems without committing a ton of money long term.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 12:58 pm

If Minnesota gave up on Love and went for Gasol, they wouldn't bring back Pekovic; he'd be too expensive. Hell they might not bring back Kirilenko either.

Love for Gasol only makes sense if Love threatens to leave. If that were on the table, you'd better believe the Lakers take that chance. Love/Howard is almost a glove fit both in personality and in ability on the court. They'd find a suitable PG in 2015 when certain players should be available (Wall and Irving).
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 1:09 pm

^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 1:43 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.

He's stated before that he loves LA and would play for the Lakers for sure so everyone knows he would welcome a trade here.

It's about honor though and when you're young it's easy to think "I owe it to this city/team to try to win here" instead of doing what you feel is right for you.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby nluna75 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:51 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
dj vitus wrote:Can't do S&T since we are over the $70M luxury tax cap. New CBA rules. :man5:

We can send players out via S&T to teams below the tax, we just can't receive players via S&T because we're taxpayers.


Well if we amnesty Metta and buy out Duhon that would put us under 70m restriction allowing us to do sign and trades.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby nluna75 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:55 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.


Didn't Love only sign a 4 yr contract? If he did then he has some pull especially if there's a player option in there to leave earlier.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:59 pm

therealdeal wrote:
abeer3 wrote:i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.

Say the Lakers really DO stand pat this season (which is very likely with some minor changes), they'll shore up the roster with guys like that for sure.

And if they added some guys in that ilk and by some miracle of God were relatively healthy next season a roster of:

Nash/Blake
Bryant/Meeks
Wright/Delfino
Gasol/Clark
Howard/Hill

would still be a decent team. Just a fully healthy Howard makes that team alright (even given Kobe being limited). Obviously I'd love to change Gasol into a serviceable SF and I'd really like to move on from the Blake/Meeks era, but that team would still be a playoff team for sure.


Yes, that's a fantastic team if we can just stay healthy. I might even argue that getting Garcia would be better for our 2nd unit SF because with Delfino recent foot injuries that can be a significant issue long term.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 2:45 pm

nluna75 wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.


Didn't Love only sign a 4 yr contract? If he did then he has some pull especially if there's a player option in there to leave earlier.

Yes he did, player option for 15-16.

They're not in a rush to move him this summer. It's a stretch to expect that trade....but if MIN thinks they can score in FA by getting rid of long term contracts AND hear it from Kevin that he wants out, we might be able to pull something off.

If he's injury prone they might do it. What's worse than an injured, disgruntled star who is going to leave at midnight on July 1st? It'd be Dwight Howard again. Imagine Dwight moved a year ago? ORL would've gotten a GREAT deal.

Not saying we can give them that deal, but that they might want to act sooner than later. Our deal depends on if cap space and Gasol is what they think would be best around Rubio.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Tue May 14, 2013 6:14 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Let's just trade for Kevin Love by taking on some of their longer contracts. If we get Love, 2014 plan doesn't matter.

MIN can try out Rubio/Gasol/Pekovic/Kirilenko....and if they strike out they can start over in 2014. Rubio won't be upset because he wants Pau. We include Blake in the deal for matching.

Then we sign Leandro Barbosa for the league minimum and get DJ Augustin using the mini MLE.

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I don't mean to sound like a complete jerkoff, but that is a horrible post.

Do you really think that Minny is going to trade their best player, recent 2nd overall pick, and a very nice rookie SG who has good potential for Pau?

How is it that by trading Pau we fix almost every weakness on our team?

I appreciate your bias, because I too share it, but that's embarrassingly bad for Minny
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 14, 2013 6:39 pm

^^ :man4:

This Offseason is going to be a tough one it seems...... :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Tue May 14, 2013 11:24 pm

therealdeal wrote:
abeer3 wrote:i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.

Say the Lakers really DO stand pat this season (which is very likely with some minor changes), they'll shore up the roster with guys like that for sure.

And if they added some guys in that ilk and by some miracle of God were relatively healthy next season a roster of:

Nash/Blake
Bryant/Meeks
Wright/Delfino
Gasol/Clark
Howard/Hill

would still be a decent team. Just a fully healthy Howard makes that team alright (even given Kobe being limited). Obviously I'd love to change Gasol into a serviceable SF and I'd really like to move on from the Blake/Meeks era, but that team would still be a playoff team for sure.


Personally, I think that is something similar to what we'll see. I'm sure they'll try and move Pau n a 3 team to gain some depth, but I think that's about what we should expect.

I'd like to see this:

Don't pick up Meeks option (save $$$)
Amnesty MWP

Wright- mMLE
Stephen Jackson- Vet Min
Garcia- Vet Min
Will Bynum- Vet Min
Morrow- Vet Min

Howard/Hill
Pau/Clark/Odom
Wright/Garcia
(Kobe)/Jackson/Morrow
Nash/Blake/Bynum
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 15, 2013 8:13 am

^^^Say NO to Capt. Jack.....if a org like the Spurs would rather cut him lose and sign an even more washed up player in Tmac that really says alot bout his character and overall game.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed May 15, 2013 8:43 am

khmrP wrote:^^^Say NO to Capt. Jack.....if a org like the Spurs would rather cut him lose and sign an even more washed up player in Tmac that really says alot bout his character and overall game.


Unless we keep Artest. Capt. Jack and Artest would be great theater.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Wed May 15, 2013 11:55 am

I just don't see how we keep Gasol. If Minny is the best bet, great. Take their spare parts and move on.

Trade Blake and D. Williams for TPEs and picks or something. Amnesty Ron. Buy out Brandon Roy's deal after the trade. (Gasol, Meeks, and a pick for D. Williams, B. Roy, Chase Buddinger, and Cunningham -- or something like that)

Convince E. Bledsoe (FA right? If not, trade D. Williams for him -- fits in lob city) to come here for a future with Dwight (and that he will basically play starters minutes behind Nash and likely start 20 games next season - then have a players option for years 2 and 3).

Nash, Bledsoe, Morris
Kobe, Shannon Brown, Mimi Mamba (or Blake if we can't salary dump him)
Buddinger, D. Wright/Garcia/or some other vet min player)
Clark, Cunningham, Odom
Howard, Hill, Sacre

Odom -- motivated and playing for the right coach -- could give us a lot of what Gasol gave up most of the season in terms of rebounding and passing to Howard. I bet he would come back for cheap if we got Phil again. We could actually have a second unit that runs and finishes fast breaks. -- Bledsoe, Shannon, Wright, Odom, and Hill.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Wed May 15, 2013 12:10 pm

tigerjeterkobe wrote:I just don't see how we keep Gasol. If Minny is the best bet, great. Take their spare parts and move on.

Trade Blake and D. Williams for TPEs and picks or something. Amnesty Ron. Buy out Brandon Roy's deal after the trade. (Gasol, Meeks, and a pick for D. Williams, B. Roy, Chase Buddinger, and Cunningham -- or something like that)

Convince E. Bledsoe (FA right? If not, trade D. Williams for him -- fits in lob city) to come here for a future with Dwight (and that he will basically play starters minutes behind Nash and likely start 20 games next season - then have a players option for years 2 and 3).

Nash, Bledsoe, Morris
Kobe, Shannon Brown, Mimi Mamba (or Blake if we can't salary dump him)
Buddinger, D. Wright/Garcia/or some other vet min player)
Clark, Cunningham, Odom
Howard, Hill, Sacre

Odom -- motivated and playing for the right coach -- could give us a lot of what Gasol gave up most of the season in terms of rebounding and passing to Howard. I bet he would come back for cheap if we got Phil again. We could actually have a second unit that runs and finishes fast breaks. -- Bledsoe, Shannon, Wright, Odom, and Hill.


Bledose would need to be traded. Maybe D Will for Bledsoe could happen, but I doubt LAC does that.

Roy was already bought out.

I'm in for Pau for D Will, Barea, AK47. But nothing less. Follow up trade Blake/Duhon for Ariza. Sign Wright to mMLE, sign Garia and Bynum to vet min

Howard/Hill
AK47/DWill/Clark
Ariza/Wright
Kobe/Garcia/Meeks
Nash/Barea/Bynum
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed May 15, 2013 1:48 pm

I wonder what the value of Tyreke Evans is at.

Coming off a sub-par season and a rookie contract, wonder who is going to pick him up. Unless Sacramento has his bird rights/restricted free agent? I believe he'd be a fantastic piece if we can get him at mini-MLE money.

He'd be a terrific scorer off the bench. His driving ability is up there with Westbrook and his size can help defensively.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby OX1947 on Wed May 15, 2013 3:01 pm

With Love making it clear on a yearly basis that he may not want to be in Minnesota, I think Love might be the only realistic young player with great skills available this offseason. And not only that, being able to use Gasol to get him. Is Love a franchise player? No. Would he be a great number 2? Absolutely. Obviously this would be predicated on Dwight staying, but if Lakers were able to send Gasol to Minny for Love, a front line of Love and Howard at the ages of 25 and 27 would be a great way to start the youth movement to the next title team.

Then at that point, Lakers would have to pray that one of the top PGs is available in 2014, but I dont know if that will happen. I am worried that the summer of 2014 will end up like the summer of 2010 for the Knicks.
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