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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 12:58 pm

If Minnesota gave up on Love and went for Gasol, they wouldn't bring back Pekovic; he'd be too expensive. Hell they might not bring back Kirilenko either.

Love for Gasol only makes sense if Love threatens to leave. If that were on the table, you'd better believe the Lakers take that chance. Love/Howard is almost a glove fit both in personality and in ability on the court. They'd find a suitable PG in 2015 when certain players should be available (Wall and Irving).
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 1:09 pm

^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 1:43 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.

He's stated before that he loves LA and would play for the Lakers for sure so everyone knows he would welcome a trade here.

It's about honor though and when you're young it's easy to think "I owe it to this city/team to try to win here" instead of doing what you feel is right for you.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby nluna75 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:51 pm

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dj vitus wrote:Can't do S&T since we are over the $70M luxury tax cap. New CBA rules. :man5:

We can send players out via S&T to teams below the tax, we just can't receive players via S&T because we're taxpayers.


Well if we amnesty Metta and buy out Duhon that would put us under 70m restriction allowing us to do sign and trades.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby nluna75 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:55 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.


Didn't Love only sign a 4 yr contract? If he did then he has some pull especially if there's a player option in there to leave earlier.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:59 pm

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abeer3 wrote:i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.

Say the Lakers really DO stand pat this season (which is very likely with some minor changes), they'll shore up the roster with guys like that for sure.

And if they added some guys in that ilk and by some miracle of God were relatively healthy next season a roster of:

Nash/Blake
Bryant/Meeks
Wright/Delfino
Gasol/Clark
Howard/Hill

would still be a decent team. Just a fully healthy Howard makes that team alright (even given Kobe being limited). Obviously I'd love to change Gasol into a serviceable SF and I'd really like to move on from the Blake/Meeks era, but that team would still be a playoff team for sure.


Yes, that's a fantastic team if we can just stay healthy. I might even argue that getting Garcia would be better for our 2nd unit SF because with Delfino recent foot injuries that can be a significant issue long term.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 2:45 pm

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Chillbongo wrote:^ You got it real, that would be the only way, IMO.

Don't know Love's pull, but I imagine him thinking about the next 5 years in MIN versus the next 5 years in home town Los Angeles....and see his Mr. Hyde coming out.


Didn't Love only sign a 4 yr contract? If he did then he has some pull especially if there's a player option in there to leave earlier.

Yes he did, player option for 15-16.

They're not in a rush to move him this summer. It's a stretch to expect that trade....but if MIN thinks they can score in FA by getting rid of long term contracts AND hear it from Kevin that he wants out, we might be able to pull something off.

If he's injury prone they might do it. What's worse than an injured, disgruntled star who is going to leave at midnight on July 1st? It'd be Dwight Howard again. Imagine Dwight moved a year ago? ORL would've gotten a GREAT deal.

Not saying we can give them that deal, but that they might want to act sooner than later. Our deal depends on if cap space and Gasol is what they think would be best around Rubio.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Tue May 14, 2013 6:14 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Let's just trade for Kevin Love by taking on some of their longer contracts. If we get Love, 2014 plan doesn't matter.

MIN can try out Rubio/Gasol/Pekovic/Kirilenko....and if they strike out they can start over in 2014. Rubio won't be upset because he wants Pau. We include Blake in the deal for matching.

Then we sign Leandro Barbosa for the league minimum and get DJ Augustin using the mini MLE.

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I don't mean to sound like a complete jerkoff, but that is a horrible post.

Do you really think that Minny is going to trade their best player, recent 2nd overall pick, and a very nice rookie SG who has good potential for Pau?

How is it that by trading Pau we fix almost every weakness on our team?

I appreciate your bias, because I too share it, but that's embarrassingly bad for Minny
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 14, 2013 6:39 pm

^^ :man4:

This Offseason is going to be a tough one it seems...... :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Tue May 14, 2013 11:24 pm

therealdeal wrote:
abeer3 wrote:i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.

Say the Lakers really DO stand pat this season (which is very likely with some minor changes), they'll shore up the roster with guys like that for sure.

And if they added some guys in that ilk and by some miracle of God were relatively healthy next season a roster of:

Nash/Blake
Bryant/Meeks
Wright/Delfino
Gasol/Clark
Howard/Hill

would still be a decent team. Just a fully healthy Howard makes that team alright (even given Kobe being limited). Obviously I'd love to change Gasol into a serviceable SF and I'd really like to move on from the Blake/Meeks era, but that team would still be a playoff team for sure.


Personally, I think that is something similar to what we'll see. I'm sure they'll try and move Pau n a 3 team to gain some depth, but I think that's about what we should expect.

I'd like to see this:

Don't pick up Meeks option (save $$$)
Amnesty MWP

Wright- mMLE
Stephen Jackson- Vet Min
Garcia- Vet Min
Will Bynum- Vet Min
Morrow- Vet Min

Howard/Hill
Pau/Clark/Odom
Wright/Garcia
(Kobe)/Jackson/Morrow
Nash/Blake/Bynum
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 15, 2013 8:13 am

^^^Say NO to Capt. Jack.....if a org like the Spurs would rather cut him lose and sign an even more washed up player in Tmac that really says alot bout his character and overall game.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed May 15, 2013 8:43 am

khmrP wrote:^^^Say NO to Capt. Jack.....if a org like the Spurs would rather cut him lose and sign an even more washed up player in Tmac that really says alot bout his character and overall game.


Unless we keep Artest. Capt. Jack and Artest would be great theater.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Wed May 15, 2013 11:55 am

I just don't see how we keep Gasol. If Minny is the best bet, great. Take their spare parts and move on.

Trade Blake and D. Williams for TPEs and picks or something. Amnesty Ron. Buy out Brandon Roy's deal after the trade. (Gasol, Meeks, and a pick for D. Williams, B. Roy, Chase Buddinger, and Cunningham -- or something like that)

Convince E. Bledsoe (FA right? If not, trade D. Williams for him -- fits in lob city) to come here for a future with Dwight (and that he will basically play starters minutes behind Nash and likely start 20 games next season - then have a players option for years 2 and 3).

Nash, Bledsoe, Morris
Kobe, Shannon Brown, Mimi Mamba (or Blake if we can't salary dump him)
Buddinger, D. Wright/Garcia/or some other vet min player)
Clark, Cunningham, Odom
Howard, Hill, Sacre

Odom -- motivated and playing for the right coach -- could give us a lot of what Gasol gave up most of the season in terms of rebounding and passing to Howard. I bet he would come back for cheap if we got Phil again. We could actually have a second unit that runs and finishes fast breaks. -- Bledsoe, Shannon, Wright, Odom, and Hill.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Wed May 15, 2013 12:10 pm

tigerjeterkobe wrote:I just don't see how we keep Gasol. If Minny is the best bet, great. Take their spare parts and move on.

Trade Blake and D. Williams for TPEs and picks or something. Amnesty Ron. Buy out Brandon Roy's deal after the trade. (Gasol, Meeks, and a pick for D. Williams, B. Roy, Chase Buddinger, and Cunningham -- or something like that)

Convince E. Bledsoe (FA right? If not, trade D. Williams for him -- fits in lob city) to come here for a future with Dwight (and that he will basically play starters minutes behind Nash and likely start 20 games next season - then have a players option for years 2 and 3).

Nash, Bledsoe, Morris
Kobe, Shannon Brown, Mimi Mamba (or Blake if we can't salary dump him)
Buddinger, D. Wright/Garcia/or some other vet min player)
Clark, Cunningham, Odom
Howard, Hill, Sacre

Odom -- motivated and playing for the right coach -- could give us a lot of what Gasol gave up most of the season in terms of rebounding and passing to Howard. I bet he would come back for cheap if we got Phil again. We could actually have a second unit that runs and finishes fast breaks. -- Bledsoe, Shannon, Wright, Odom, and Hill.


Bledose would need to be traded. Maybe D Will for Bledsoe could happen, but I doubt LAC does that.

Roy was already bought out.

I'm in for Pau for D Will, Barea, AK47. But nothing less. Follow up trade Blake/Duhon for Ariza. Sign Wright to mMLE, sign Garia and Bynum to vet min

Howard/Hill
AK47/DWill/Clark
Ariza/Wright
Kobe/Garcia/Meeks
Nash/Barea/Bynum
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed May 15, 2013 1:48 pm

I wonder what the value of Tyreke Evans is at.

Coming off a sub-par season and a rookie contract, wonder who is going to pick him up. Unless Sacramento has his bird rights/restricted free agent? I believe he'd be a fantastic piece if we can get him at mini-MLE money.

He'd be a terrific scorer off the bench. His driving ability is up there with Westbrook and his size can help defensively.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby OX1947 on Wed May 15, 2013 3:01 pm

With Love making it clear on a yearly basis that he may not want to be in Minnesota, I think Love might be the only realistic young player with great skills available this offseason. And not only that, being able to use Gasol to get him. Is Love a franchise player? No. Would he be a great number 2? Absolutely. Obviously this would be predicated on Dwight staying, but if Lakers were able to send Gasol to Minny for Love, a front line of Love and Howard at the ages of 25 and 27 would be a great way to start the youth movement to the next title team.

Then at that point, Lakers would have to pray that one of the top PGs is available in 2014, but I dont know if that will happen. I am worried that the summer of 2014 will end up like the summer of 2010 for the Knicks.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Wed May 15, 2013 3:44 pm

OX1947 wrote:With Love making it clear on a yearly basis that he may not want to be in Minnesota, I think Love might be the only realistic young player with great skills available this offseason. And not only that, being able to use Gasol to get him. Is Love a franchise player? No. Would he be a great number 2? Absolutely. Obviously this would be predicated on Dwight staying, but if Lakers were able to send Gasol to Minny for Love, a front line of Love and Howard at the ages of 25 and 27 would be a great way to start the youth movement to the next title team.

Then at that point, Lakers would have to pray that one of the top PGs is available in 2014, but I dont know if that will happen. I am worried that the summer of 2014 will end up like the summer of 2010 for the Knicks.


Again, why do people keep thinking that Minny i going to trade Love to the Lakers?

Does Love want to be a Laker- yes. Would he fit amazingly well next to Dwight- yes.

But he is not on year by year basis as you put it. He's locked in for 2 more. Minny has NO reason trade him now. Especially for a guy on the wrong side of 30. Pau and Rubio is a cute story and all, but that doesn't mean it's a better team or a good move.

Besides that, they have a new GM and that is Flip Saunders. No way is he going to come in, trade their best player for Pau and still be respected. IF he wants to move Love, he'll get way better offers. Cle would offer a package of young players who fill needs. The Bulls could offer Gibson/Deng/Char Pick. Houston could offer a good package.

there is ZERO chance Love is traded to LA for Pau.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Boston trades - Pierce / Garnett
Boston gets - Pau / Blake

Indy trades - Granger / Green
Indy gets - Pierce / Duhon

Lakers trade - Pau / Blake / Duhon
Lakers get - Granger / Green / Garnett

Boston does it because...

If they buyout Pierce, Garnett is more than likely going to retire or want to be moved. Reports are either the Lakers or Clippers. We can give them two expirings to flip at the deadline if they want and be in tank mode for a lottery pick.

Indy does it because....

3.5 million Green
14 million Granger

17.5 million out

5 million Pierce buyout
1.5 million Duhon buyout

6.5 million in

Net cap space opened up - 11 million

They can resign Hansbrough, West, Augustin with that and still have ~ 15 million in cap space to add a free agent or save some of that to resign George the following season. Essentially the same team right now + cap space to get better.


Nash / ____
Kobe / ____
Granger / Green
Garnett / Clark
D12 / Hill

Mini-MLE and Vet.min on a backcourt duo and we are set. :man1:

Just combining rumors with what we want around here.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby LAKEROC on Wed May 15, 2013 7:18 pm

Kevin Love for Pau Gasol would be a godsend. I wish we could pull that off. Their games fit perfectly together. Add a Wall+ Irving+Curry to that mix, and round out the roster with some solid veteran players, and Lakers would just completely annihilate the league.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 15, 2013 8:42 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Boston trades - Pierce / Garnett
Boston gets - Pau / Blake

Indy trades - Granger / Green
Indy gets - Pierce / Duhon

Lakers trade - Pau / Blake / Duhon
Lakers get - Granger / Green

Boston does it because...

If they buyout Pierce, Garnett is more than likely going to retire or want to be moved. Reports are either the Lakers or Clippers. We can give them two expirings to flip at the deadline if they want and be in tank mode for a lottery pick.

Indy does it because....

3.5 million Green
14 million Granger

17.5 million out

5 million Pierce buyout
1.5 million Duhon buyout

6.5 million in

Net cap space opened up - 11 million

They can resign Hansbrough, West, Augustin with that and still have ~ 15 million in cap space to add a free agent or save some of that to resign George the following season. Essentially the same team right now + cap space to get better.


Nash / ____
Kobe / ____
Granger / Green
Garnett / Clark
D12 / Hill

Mini-MLE and Vet.min on a backcourt duo and we are set. :man1:

Just combining rumors with what we want around here.

Give me someone other than Green and I'm in. Green is garbage and he's on contract for 2 more years guaranteed.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 15, 2013 9:04 pm

I'd take Lance Stephenson, but the Pacers probably aren't giving him up. He's turned into a good player.

That leaves....

A.) Jason Terry
B.) Courtney Lee
C.) Orlando Johnson
D.) Jordan Crawford
E.) No one
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 15, 2013 11:09 pm

We have to get Bradley in any deal with the C's.. That kid is exactly what we need backing up both guard spots. Young, plays defense, not a liability on offense.. I'm not interested in Green but I'd take him on if that was the cost to get Bradley. Also I think it's likely KG goes wherever Pierce signs.. So there would have to be a wink wink deal for Pierce to sign with us when he gets cut. If we somehow get Granger, Bradley, KG, I couldn't be happier with the offseason.. Pierce would just be icing on the cake.. Great bench scorer & another option late in games. I'd be willing to include Hill if that's what it takes, but let's hope it doesn't come to that. While we're at it, hopefully we unload 2 of Blake/Duhon/Meeks & add Foye also.

Nash/Bradley/Foye
24/Meeks
Granger/PP
KG/Clark/MWP
D12/Hill

That's pretty insane.. If Mitch pulled that off I think this trumps last offseason.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Frank Dux on Wed May 15, 2013 11:17 pm

^Green actually turned it around this season. He had some pretty impressive stretches. We could really use an athlete like him.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 15, 2013 11:28 pm

^ I know Green had some streaks where he played well this season but he's not worth that contract or worth sacrificing our future space for. Especially if we already have KG, Clark, Hill at PF. Under this CBA you can't pay role players what he makes. I expect to see more Jamison/Meeks type deals for most of our role players except Hill & Clark(who should be retained for slightly less than Hill).


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abeer3 wrote:i'd prefer dorrell wright or perhaps his teammate in houston, carlos delfino, but garcia is the kind of guy that can help the lakers.

the good news is that there's lots of folks available for what the lakers would have to offer that could shore up the sf spot a bit.

Say the Lakers really DO stand pat this season (which is very likely with some minor changes), they'll shore up the roster with guys like that for sure.

And if they added some guys in that ilk and by some miracle of God were relatively healthy next season a roster of:

Nash/Blake
Bryant/Meeks
Wright/Delfino
Gasol/Clark
Howard/Hill

would still be a decent team. Just a fully healthy Howard makes that team alright (even given Kobe being limited). Obviously I'd love to change Gasol into a serviceable SF and I'd really like to move on from the Blake/Meeks era, but that team would still be a playoff team for sure.


Personally, I think that is something similar to what we'll see. I'm sure they'll try and move Pau n a 3 team to gain some depth, but I think that's about what we should expect.

I'd like to see this:

Don't pick up Meeks option (save $$$)
Amnesty MWP

Wright- mMLE
Stephen Jackson- Vet Min
Garcia- Vet Min
Will Bynum- Vet Min
Morrow- Vet Min

Howard/Hill
Pau/Clark/Odom
Wright/Garcia
(Kobe)/Jackson/Morrow
Nash/Blake/Bynum

If Will Bynum is available for the minimum that'd be a good signing but I think Foye should be the 1st PG we look at, he's a good 3 point shooter & puts them up in volume. I'd be happy with either signing.. When it comes to wings, I like Corey Brewer, Budinger, Delfino, Wright, Garcia, Morrow in that order. If we don't make a move to acquire a starting SF, we need to add 2 of those wings. 3 if we amnesty MWP.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby OX1947 on Wed May 15, 2013 11:49 pm

Center Court wrote:
OX1947 wrote:With Love making it clear on a yearly basis that he may not want to be in Minnesota, I think Love might be the only realistic young player with great skills available this offseason. And not only that, being able to use Gasol to get him. Is Love a franchise player? No. Would he be a great number 2? Absolutely. Obviously this would be predicated on Dwight staying, but if Lakers were able to send Gasol to Minny for Love, a front line of Love and Howard at the ages of 25 and 27 would be a great way to start the youth movement to the next title team.

Then at that point, Lakers would have to pray that one of the top PGs is available in 2014, but I dont know if that will happen. I am worried that the summer of 2014 will end up like the summer of 2010 for the Knicks.


Again, why do people keep thinking that Minny i going to trade Love to the Lakers?

Does Love want to be a Laker- yes. Would he fit amazingly well next to Dwight- yes.

But he is not on year by year basis as you put it. He's locked in for 2 more. Minny has NO reason trade him now. Especially for a guy on the wrong side of 30. Pau and Rubio is a cute story and all, but that doesn't mean it's a better team or a good move.

Besides that, they have a new GM and that is Flip Saunders. No way is he going to come in, trade their best player for Pau and still be respected. IF he wants to move Love, he'll get way better offers. Cle would offer a package of young players who fill needs. The Bulls could offer Gibson/Deng/Char Pick. Houston could offer a good package.

there is ZERO chance Love is traded to LA for Pau.


Good, now that you have said this, we can go back to talking about free agency.
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