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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:45 pm

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Andrei Kirilenko Likely To Wait Until After Draft To Decide On Option

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I spoke with Andrei Kirilenko from the south of France just a few minutes ago and he said he probably won't decide whether to pick up his $10 million-plus option for next year until after next week's draft.

Kirilenko has until June 29 to make up his mind, a curious date because it's two days after the June 27 draft.

"I think it will come right after the draft,'" he said of his decision when reached today just after dinnertime in France.

You'd think the Wolves would want to know Kirilenko's status heading into the draft so they can make informed decisions, but that's the date in the two-year contract David Kahn reached with him last summer.

Kirilenko said he hasn't spoken with his agent at length about the matter yet, but plans to do so in the next three to four days.

Kahn's departure and the arrival of new basketball ops president Flip Saunders probably will affect Kirilenko's decision.

Kahn would have been more likely to offer Kirilenko a substantial three-year extension -- maybe even at similar money -- that he is seeking here at age 32.

Saunders might be willing to offer him, say, a two-year deal if Kirilenko opts out of next season, but you can bet it won't be at $10 million per year.

Kirilenko has said he could walk away from that $10 million because this might be the last chance in his career for a multi-year extension rather than take a chance on next summer, when Miami's big three all could hit free agency if each so chooses.

He also has said his family will help make the decision. His three children like living in the United States and he said late last season that they enjoy living in Minnesota.

Denver's Andre Iguodala last week walked away from a $16 million option for next season, but he's also three years younger than Kirilenko.

This, of course, could go either one, but I think Flip's arrival as boss makes it more likely Kirilenko takes the $10 million guaranteed in his pocket and then sees what summer 2014 brings.


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I still like AK in a package for Pau..Great fit with this team. Once he opts in, that becomes possible again. If we can't pry Love away from them, we can still get a good deal imo. AK, Dwill2, Barea, #9? I know the pick is seriously reaching but if that was possible, I'd be all over it. Would still take the deal if they gave up #26 instead.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:02 pm

Is it crazy that I would jump at the chance to sign Farmar and Sasha after a year of Morris and Meeks?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby charvin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:34 pm

Not unless Farmar and Sasha suddenly look completely different.

Weezy wrote:Is it crazy that I would jump at the chance to sign Farmar and Sasha after a year of Morris and Meeks?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:59 pm

Well they thrived in New Jersey after they left LA, and they've been overseas, I think they're probably in their primes right now.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:12 pm

I'd definitely take them over Morris/Meeks.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:45 pm

I'd take Farmar over Morris but not over Foye, Collison, Calderon, & Devin Harris if any of them will come for the minimum. I'd also prefer CJ Watson, & have Farmar ranked right around the same level as Will Bynum. Probably give the edge to Farmar because of his past with us. But if we can get any of those other guys for the same price, pass on Farmar. As far as Sasha, yeah I think I'd take him over Meeks, but I'm really hoping we can get Dunleavy for the minimum but he might get more than that, I think he's one of the few good 3 point shooters that wouldn't lose his shot here. He's also like the anti-Meeks, the shots that he hits are usually big momentum shots. Martell Webster, Morrow, Ronnie Brewer as other options to consider. Although we might consider singing 2 sg's since Kobe probably won't be ready to start the season. I'd love to get Delfino but I want to save the mini MLE for Corey Brewer. Mini MLE - Brewer, minimum Watson or Farmar, minimum Dunleavy or Sasha, minimum Morrow. That'd be a great offseason.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby bystander on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:59 pm

checking the payroll found out according to basketball reference lakers are paying karl malone and ron harper wtf ?!?!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/LAL.html
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:00 pm

I think you're dreaming if you think we could get Collison, Calderon or Harris for the minimum. Watson maybe, but I don't see Farmar as worse than him, he's younger, and Farmar is actually a guard that likes to run and can make layups which seems to be what we'd be looking for with our current coach. I'm also not a Dunleavy fan, would rather roll the dice and see how Sasha has progressed, also don't think Dunleavy is taking the minimum.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:02 am

This Cleveland/Dallas rumor is killing me.. #19 for #13 & eating Marion's contract? Marion would fit great here & the 13 gives us another trade asset or if we're lucky a prospect that can atleast be a rotation guy as a rookie. If I was Mitch I'd be asking Cuban if he'd accept a TPE + similar pick from us, & if he says yes, I'd be shopping Pau for a good backup PG on a cheap contract + a few cheap throw ins, a TPE big enough for Marion, & a pick better than the 19.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:27 pm

Weezy wrote:I think you're dreaming if you think we could get Collison, Calderon or Harris for the minimum. Watson maybe, but I don't see Farmar as worse than him, he's younger, and Farmar is actually a guard that likes to run and can make layups which seems to be what we'd be looking for with our current coach. I'm also not a Dunleavy fan, would rather roll the dice and see how Sasha has progressed, also don't think Dunleavy is taking the minimum.



I'd love Collison, but Weezy's right, he ain't coming for the minimum. He'd take at least our m-mle. I'd take him for that. I think he had a rough go last year in Dallas. He obviously has some talent. With Nash a question mark, I'd take him. I know we'd ideally use that to get a sf, but I think pg may become just as big an issue.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:33 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Weezy wrote:I think you're dreaming if you think we could get Collison, Calderon or Harris for the minimum. Watson maybe, but I don't see Farmar as worse than him, he's younger, and Farmar is actually a guard that likes to run and can make layups which seems to be what we'd be looking for with our current coach. I'm also not a Dunleavy fan, would rather roll the dice and see how Sasha has progressed, also don't think Dunleavy is taking the minimum.



I'd love Collison, but Weezy's right, he ain't coming for the minimum. He'd take at least our m-mle. I'd take him for that. I think he had a rough go last year in Dallas. He obviously has some talent. With Nash a question mark, I'd take him. I know we'd ideally use that to get a sf, but I think pg may become just as big an issue.

With the mini-MLE I nab the most talented player I can. Whether that's Collison, Henderson, or whomever. You can't worry about position when we're struggling at every position besides Center.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby last stand on Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:44 pm

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:03 pm

League source: three veterans who are candidates to be in deals leading up to, or during NBA draft are the Bulls' Luol Deng, Pacers' Danny Granger and Blazers' Lamarcus Aldridge. The Cavs apparently have interest in Deng and he certainly would be a terrific role model and leader-by-example for a young squad; the Cavs also have a gaping hole at that position and if they have interest in vying for a playoff spot next season, a rookie out of this draft isn't going to move them appreciably closer. That said, there is skepticism that the Cavs are actually serious about parting with the No. 1 pick because they keep asking for assets as if it were the first pick in next year's draft. 10 minutes ago
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:07 pm

Mods I'll leave it to you to decide if we should just make a 2013 Draft Rumor's thread or just throw everything into here...

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Maybe we can sneak in here and help the two teams out get what they want out of deal by using Pau.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:14 pm

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In multiple radio interviews Thursday, Stern made it clear NBA sees idea of Doc & KG both landing with Clips as one trade broken into two
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Since KG can't go to the Clips and he's probably not going to want to stay for the Boston rebuild, I wonder if he would force is way here? Come to LA and then recruit Pierce.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Amoray on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:40 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3h
In multiple radio interviews Thursday, Stern made it clear NBA sees idea of Doc & KG both landing with Clips as one trade broken into two
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Since KG can't go to the Clips and he's probably not going to want to stay for the Boston rebuild, I wonder if he would force is way here? Come to LA and then recruit Pierce.


That would be nice to have D12, K24, KG, PP and trade Gasoft to good PG and then contend for champ.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lAKERfaNaticKID on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:50 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3h
In multiple radio interviews Thursday, Stern made it clear NBA sees idea of Doc & KG both landing with Clips as one trade broken into two
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Since KG can't go to the Clips and he's probably not going to want to stay for the Boston rebuild, I wonder if he would force is way here? Come to LA and then recruit Pierce.



Cp3 to lakers, stern said no, clippers got him

KG and PP to clippers, stern said no, lakers get them...

Hmmm karma?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Amoray on Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:06 pm

lAKERfaNaticKID wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3h
In multiple radio interviews Thursday, Stern made it clear NBA sees idea of Doc & KG both landing with Clips as one trade broken into two
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Since KG can't go to the Clips and he's probably not going to want to stay for the Boston rebuild, I wonder if he would force is way here? Come to LA and then recruit Pierce.



Cp3 to lakers, stern said no, clippers got him

KG and PP to clippers, stern said no, lakers get them...

Hmmm karma?


Wish the words Lakers got them, instead of Lakers get them!!!
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:11 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
League source: three veterans who are candidates to be in deals leading up to, or during NBA draft are the Bulls' Luol Deng, Pacers' Danny Granger and Blazers' Lamarcus Aldridge. The Cavs apparently have interest in Deng and he certainly would be a terrific role model and leader-by-example for a young squad; the Cavs also have a gaping hole at that position and if they have interest in vying for a playoff spot next season, a rookie out of this draft isn't going to move them appreciably closer. That said, there is skepticism that the Cavs are actually serious about parting with the No. 1 pick because they keep asking for assets as if it were the first pick in next year's draft. 10 minutes ago

I'd cry tears of joy to land any of these guys (given they're all healthy of course).
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:15 pm

I would take any one of those guys as well, especially for Pau.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:52 am

If only we could land Lamarcus Aldridge somehow...
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby NoisyBook on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:20 am

In either case of Dwight stays or walks, we should try to trade Pau for draft picks... Developing own role players is gonna be the biggest chance to have a good team with flexible salary cap... We all know we are gonna have salary cap issue in 2014, if we don't trade Steve Nash or he doesn't want to retire...
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:34 am

NoisyBook wrote:In either case of Dwight stays or walks, we should try to trade Pau for draft picks... Developing own role players is gonna be the biggest chance to have a good team with flexible salary cap... We all know we are gonna have salary cap issue in 2014, if we don't trade Steve Nash or he doesn't want to retire...

Actually the opposite is true.

In 2014 we'll have only Nash/Howard officially on the books at a total of roughly 30 million. Kobe will probably re-sign for somewhere between 10-15 million. So we'll have somewhere around 15-20 million to sign somebody which is just about one max contract.

So in 2014 we'll field a team likely composed of: Nash/Bryant/Max FA/RolePlayerX/Howard.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby NoisyBook on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:41 am

I mean we are gonna pay 9 million for 40 yrs old. That's an issue.

Can we really land a MAX FA in current CBA besides Bryant/10-15mil/ and Howard /20million/?
If we have Nash then, I am sure we can't and he's gonna eat 9 million.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:48 am

Yes I am positive that we can.

The new Salary Cap in 2014 is estimated at around 60 million dollars.

With Nash- 9 million.
With Howard- 21 million.
With Kobe- 10-15 million.

That's 60- (9+21+(10-15)) = 20-15 million.

A max contract is roughly 20 million to start with. I'd think that Kobe will re-sign for the exact amount it'd be take to be sure we'll get a max contract because a max contract will get a great player. If Nash retires, we have even more space. But even if he doesn't, we'll be fine.
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