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Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:25 pm

Nets Make Trade Call To Celtics On Kevin Garnett

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By Stefan Bondy / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

A future Hall of Famer might become available, so Billy King did his due diligence and made the call.

Multiple sources told the Daily News that the Nets GM inquired about Kevin Garnett’s desire to join Deron Williams in Brooklyn, but King didn't get an answer while uncertainty surrounds the Celtics.

Garnett, 37, has a no-trade clause in his contract, which he vowed not to waive last season. But circumstances changed dramatically with the Celtics following a first-round playoff loss to the Knicks, with GM Danny Ainge committing to rebuilding and Doc Rivers bolting to the Clippers.

A proposed deal that would’ve sent Garnett to the Clippers with Rivers was blocked by the NBA because it’s illegal to package a coach with players. Rivers’ new contract includes a stipulation that the Clippers and Celtics can’t swap players until the end of the 2013-14 season.

So Garnett and his two-year, $24.4 million contract are seemingly on the market. His teammate, Paul Pierce, is probably also on Brooklyn’s radar after being a target for consecutive trade deadlines.

As much as the Nets would love Garnett, it’s an unlikely pairing given the obstacles. Not only is it still unclear whether he’d agree to join the Nets -- which is what King was hoping to figure out by reaching out to a third party -- there’s also a very high hurdle of negotiating an inter-division trade.

But it’s no surprise King inquired about Garnett, a 15-time All-Star and former MVP. The Nets not only desire a reliable starting power forward, they could use a vocal and respected leader. Garnett fits the mold.

He was the Nets’ longshot free-agent target last summer, when King missed out on Dwight Howard before signing Kris Humphries to a two-year deal.

Garnett, who has demonstrated he’s still very valuable in the postseason, also was Jason Kidd’s teammate on the 2000 championship Olympic squad.

The Nets, who have yet to assemble an assistant staff around their rookie head coach, hold the 22nd pick in Thursday’s draft and have been looking for a trade partner to take on third-year swingman MarShon Brooks.

The Timberwolves have shown interest, as reported by the News, calling around for referrals while mulling a deal that’s on the table. Minnesota has the 26th pick in the draft and an excess of point guards, which the Nets could use because CJ Watson is opting out of his contract.

Garnett, who spent the first 12 seasons of his career in Minnesota, is reportedly interested in becoming a part of the Timberwolves’ ownership after next season.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.1382531
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:41 pm

It's officially off-season time again fellas...ideas left & right :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:06 pm

noobiew wrote:Pau to Minny for Derrick Williams, 9th pick and a TPE

Duhon to Indi for Gerald Green and 23rd pick

Yes Mitch, where do I sign ! :man13:

Then MWP + Blake + 9 + 26 for the best player we can get for that outgoing salary. Going by the 125% + 100,000 rule we could receive up to $14,759,100 in return for MWP + Blake. Possibly more, don't they value the salary of the picks in the trade too? But who? What teams want multiple 1st & would give up vets we'd want for them? I know the Kings, Griz, & 76rs are looking to acquire picks.. Maybe a package built around Tyreke Evans? I still believe he'll be a superstar in the right situation.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:45 pm

i haven't been following anything off-season, mostly as a hangover-like consequence of the terrible season.

anyone catch me up? has anything actually happened?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby OX1947 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:53 pm

Crazy how the desire this year is 180 degree difference from last year for free agency. I have zero care for this free agency season. Unless something crazy happens, no feeling at all.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:57 pm

lakersyunowin wrote:i haven't been following anything off-season, mostly as a hangover-like consequence of the terrible season.

anyone catch me up? has anything actually happened?


Nope, but the draft is Thursday, so there's always a chance we do something. Other than that, I believe just Jamison said he's not coming back, Metta opted in and will hopefully be amnestied, and our entire coaching staff is still just the 'Antoni brothers.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:11 am

Weezy wrote:
lakersyunowin wrote:i haven't been following anything off-season, mostly as a hangover-like consequence of the terrible season.

anyone catch me up? has anything actually happened?


Nope, but the draft is Thursday, so there's always a chance we do something. Other than that, I believe just Jamison said he's not coming back, Metta opted in and will hopefully be amnestied, and our entire coaching staff is still just the 'Antoni brothers.

boy that's...kinda disappointing.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby DrDavid0425 on Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:13 am

Lets take a leap of faith and assume everyone is healthy come new year. Lets take an other leap of faith and assume we have a relatively injury free season.

Roster under Payroll:
Kobe
Gasol
MWP
Nash
Blake
Hill
Duhon
Sacre
Meeks

Moves:
Amnesty Duhon (or if possible trade)
Trade Steve Blake and Meeks to celtics for Courtney Lee (salaries work)
Sign Corey Brewer to Mini MLE at 3.3 and pray he bites
resign Earl Clark
RESIGN DWIGHT

Offseason look:
Dwight
Gasol
MWP
Kobe
Nash

Hill
Clark
Brewer
Lee

Sacre
2nd rounders
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This is realistic. Now we could also look at augustine but i doubt we can get both augustine and brewer and brewer is what we really need. With that said, I feel we need a rotation player capable of carrying a scoring load off the bench and unfortunately, a defending (need) 6th man wont come by very easily. But Lee Brewer clark and hill should give an average of 30 ppg. that should be enough considering the defensive upgrade.

Lastly, this assumes d'antoni does his job. Thoughts?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby cleverdevil on Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:01 am

Report: T-Wolves Reject Cavs Offer Of #1 Pick And Dion Waiters For Kevin Love
by Glenn Erby | Posted on Tuesday, June 25th, 2013

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The Cleveland Cavaliers have the #1 pick in Thursday’s NBA Draft and badly want to add pieces around Kyrie Irving.

Andy Katz is reporting that Minnesota Timberwolves turned down an offer from the Cavaliers that would have sent them the #1 pick, guard Dion Waiters, and forward Tristan Thompson for T-Wolves star forward Kevin Love.

According to @ESPNAndyKatz, the Cavs offered Minnesota the first pick, Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson for Kevin Love. T-Wolves declined.

— NOTSCCleveland (@NOTSCCleveland) June 25, 2013

The Wolves and new team president Flip Saunders prefer to build around Love.

Katz reports that the Cavs love Waiters of course, but can’t pass up the chance to add Love.


http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/06/report-t-wolves-reject-cavs-offer-of-1-pick-and-dion-waiters-for-kevin-love/

Hopefully this can shut up all the Pau/garbage for Love posts around here. NOT happening unless we give up D12 to them somehow.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby kenzo on Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:09 am

^ only IF Love wants to stay in Minny :man12:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby cleverdevil on Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:43 am

kenzo wrote:^ only IF Love wants to stay in Minny :man12:


I agree, but he cannot "Dwight" his way out until at least the end of next season, which Pau will expire and cannot be traded. Its a ridiculous trade idea that constantly gets floated around.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:46 am

I hope the Pau for Love dream can be put to rest after they rejected that offer.

And to add to the fact Love isn't being traded, Flip Saunders said it himself when he became coach.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby JSM on Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:52 am

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RT @lakers2012_13: do you think the Lakers buy or trade for a 1st round pick? ---> Again... No. They have not pursued that.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby cleverdevil on Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:04 am

Doc Brown wrote:I hope the Pau for Love dream can be put to rest after they rejected that offer.

And to add to the fact Love isn't being traded, Flip Saunders said it himself when he became coach.


Yeah, I get the feeling that Minny, for better or worse, are gonna play it like Orlando with D12 and refuse to facilitate Love leaving until zero hour. Plus love doesn't strike me as the D12/Melo type personality to hold the franchise hostage.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby cleverdevil on Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:06 am

JSM wrote:
Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA 1h
RT @lakers2012_13: do you think the Lakers buy or trade for a 1st round pick? ---> Again... No. They have not pursued that.


Good find. I was wondering about us maybe buying our way just outside of the lotto where there are still nice players to stash on the bench and develop for the future.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby NoisyBook on Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:47 am

Is there any team that can take MWP? for 2nd round pick(s)?

I like this dude, he steps up in big games. He has a big heart. But it's time to move him. In case of if we still have him next season, he should play at 4.

Can we amnesty Steve Nash? He's been getting 9 million for only shooting 3s on this Lakers team. We can sign a good 3pt shooter around 4-5 million.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:57 am

I seriously don't understand your Nash hate because it's in almost every post you make, but no we can't. :man10:

The amnesty clause only works for players signed BEFORE the new CBA. Nash was signed after.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby NoisyBook on Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:06 am

I seriously think our medical stuff and Nash won't work together ever. I have no doubt on him, but his health.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:18 am

That's a serious concern, but we're not going to get rid of him. He's here to stay as long as he feels healthy enough to play basketball. I think next season will probably be his last before he retires, but we're not trading him and he's not retiring this season.

It's best just to accept that.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:22 am

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:27 am

NoisyBook wrote:
Can we amnesty Steve Nash? He's been getting 9 million for only shooting 3s on this Lakers team. We can sign a good 3pt shooter around 4-5 million.


I agree with the part about Nash being a colossal waste of money so far.... I'm not sure he will ever justify his salary or the length of the deal much less the picks we traded..... but getting a "good" 3 point shooter for any price has eluded the Lakers for a decade or longer.....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby jhalp on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:54 am

E Gordon said to be on market:

Pau/Duhon for Gordon/Anderson?

Nash, Gordon, Kobe, Anderson, Howard.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:57 am

jhalp wrote:E Gordon said to be on market:

Pau/Duhon for Gordon/Anderson?

Nash, Gordon, Kobe, Anderson, Howard.

1. Why does New Orleans want to give up Gordon for Pau?
2. Do we even want to take a chance on Gordon who hasn't shown vast improvement for his max deal and has proven to be injury prone?
3. Why does New Orleans give us Anderson?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby jhalp on Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:03 am

therealdeal wrote:
jhalp wrote:E Gordon said to be on market:

Pau/Duhon for Gordon/Anderson?

Nash, Gordon, Kobe, Anderson, Howard.

1. Why does New Orleans want to give up Gordon for Pau?
2. Do we even want to take a chance on Gordon who hasn't shown vast improvement for his max deal and has proven to be injury prone?
3. Why does New Orleans give us Anderson?



2. is answers your 1. and 3. is the only way WE do it.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:10 am

That's assuming that Pau is worth Gordon/Anderson. Do you really think he is? I don't like that deal for either team really. Maybe New Orleans a little more, but it's a super risky move for us. What if Gordon plays only 40 games a year for the rest of his career? He averaged his lowest point total thus far in his career last year, he doesn't rebound well, he's not a great defender, his assist to turnover ratio isn't great.

And we'd be stuck with him at 15 million until 2016? Please God, no.
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