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Postby khmrP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:16 pm

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Rudy Gay would be a great SF with Nash/Kobe/Howard.. probably a move to help keep Dwight here long term too. Dwight/Gay/Max space for PG?



Dwight/Gay would eat up most of the cap already by the time Nash is done.


Nash won't make it the full 3 years... IMO he and Kobe are gone after next year.

Nash retires. Kobe goes to Europe and gets crazy money to ride off into the sunset. Pau goes into the medical field.


Nash not gona throw away $9mill away, and even if he's not here look at rdl total salary between Gay/Howard, even just those two I dont think there's enough for a MAX player
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Center Court on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:13 pm

khmrP wrote:
Center Court wrote:
khmrP wrote:
Center Court wrote:
Rudy Gay would be a great SF with Nash/Kobe/Howard.. probably a move to help keep Dwight here long term too. Dwight/Gay/Max space for PG?



Dwight/Gay would eat up most of the cap already by the time Nash is done.


Nash won't make it the full 3 years... IMO he and Kobe are gone after next year.

Nash retires. Kobe goes to Europe and gets crazy money to ride off into the sunset. Pau goes into the medical field.


Nash not gona throw away $9mill away, and even if he's not here look at rdl total salary between Gay/Howard, even just those two I dont think there's enough for a MAX player


maybe, maybe not. But it does drastically help this team NOW.

Word is Grizz are excited about Dudley/1st for Gay. Probably a Suns first and our first. I'm very curious if there is a package we can put together to acquire something similar
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:21 pm

themasterphil wrote:
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themasterphil wrote:if in some crazy scenario Mitch make trade for Gay I would like to move Metta also....he is good guy, play really well this year but with Gay we dont need him anymore....Gay is young athletic player and he can play 38-40 min without any problems.....its better to try and find some good backup for our grandpa Nash

Nah. Artest is now playing backup PF, their positions aren't even the same anymore. And if they are, then we still need two forwards. Gay plays SF, Artest plays PF.

If we wanted a more legitimate backup PG, there's Delonte West just hanging out at his house right now.

i dont like to watch Metta on 4, but thats just me.....and to have Metta to backup Gay is too expensive
I agree with you about PG backup, Delonte would be fantastic in that role, and we also can use him when Meeks is out of shooting form.....i just dont know wtf are they waiting with him, just bring him and lots of problems can be solved

Metta is fine at the backup 4. That's a great place for him. He's big enough to guard a lot of fours just fine and he's quick enough to score on the big slow ones. It's actually maybe the only good thing I've seen D'Antoni do here.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:23 pm

khmrP wrote:
Center Court wrote:
khmrP wrote:
Center Court wrote:
Rudy Gay would be a great SF with Nash/Kobe/Howard.. probably a move to help keep Dwight here long term too. Dwight/Gay/Max space for PG?



Dwight/Gay would eat up most of the cap already by the time Nash is done.


Nash won't make it the full 3 years... IMO he and Kobe are gone after next year.

Nash retires. Kobe goes to Europe and gets crazy money to ride off into the sunset. Pau goes into the medical field.


Nash not gona throw away $9mill away, and even if he's not here look at rdl total salary between Gay/Howard, even just those two I dont think there's enough for a MAX player

If Gay and Howard are each making 20 million dollars, there's enough to pay a guy upwards of 10-12 million dollars. Not max money for some of the guys we're talking about, but nothing to scoff at.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:32 pm

Love injured his hand and may be out weeks.

Would you?
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby khmrP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:35 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:Love injured his hand and may be out weeks.

Would you?

are we trading for Love or with Minn? I would love to get Ak/Dwill type package from them.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:15 pm

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lakerfan2 wrote:Love injured his hand and may be out weeks.

Would you?

are we trading for Love or with Minn? I would love to get Ak/Dwill type package from them.

Agreed.. If something like AK/Dwill2/Barea was possible I'd be all for it. I'd love to move Dwill2 & Barea for a couple guys who play better defense but they would still be upgrades over what we have now.
Nash/Barea
Kobe/Meeks
Ron/Dwill2
AK/Jamison
D12/Hill

That's a solid rotation.. With Jamison probably being the odd man out with Hill needing to play the C minutes & AK/Ron/Dwill2 all better defensive options at backup 4. AK is the key to this deal. He can play stretch 4 & doesn't need a ton of shots to have a huge impact on the game, because he puts up stats across the board & brings intangibles. We could increase Dwight's touches to get him more into games. This deal is sounding better & better.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Vlade_12 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:07 pm

Why the the heck don't we look for TWILL Terrance Williams. He would be our best back up SF, he can shoot, can score good passer, good defense..

any who

if only we could dump Chris Duhon and Ebanks Cash to Wizards for Ariza
Earl Clark and future Pick for Derrik Williams

New Laker Line Up
Dwight Gasol
Hill Williams/Jamison
Ariza MWP
Kobe Meeks
Nash Blake /Morris

IR
Sacre, CDR or TWILL signed, Bobby Brown Signed
Howard Gasol
Clark Hill
MWP
Kobe Meeks
Nash Duhon
Playoff rotation! Bring Casspi or Ariza back home for a Title Run Mitch!!!
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:13 pm

Posted this in Draft Picks thread....still looking for an answer. Anyone?

2013 first round draft pick to Phoenix
The L.A. Lakers will send the least favorable of their own 1st round pick (top-14 protected), Cleveland's own 2013 1st round pick, Sacramento's own 1st round pick (top-13 protected) and Miami's 2013 1st round pick to Phoenix. If the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick is within the top-14 selections, Phoenix will automatically receive the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick. [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]


In case anyone wanted the reasoning.....gone to Phoenix if it's 1-14.

2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]


So if it's 1-14, our obligation to Cleveland is extinguished.

That literature also states that Cleveland has the "right to swap the least favorable" of their picks with ours. So doesn't that mean we will get a pick if it's not 1-14? Cleveland has to "swap".

At this rate, it might end up being Miami's pick, but that's still better than no pick.

That's my understanding of this.....thoughts?
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Vlade_12 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:25 pm

stpd we didnt protect it
Howard Gasol
Clark Hill
MWP
Kobe Meeks
Nash Duhon
Playoff rotation! Bring Casspi or Ariza back home for a Title Run Mitch!!!
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Knicks Interested In Kenyon Martin Again

Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:13 pm

Knicks Interested In Kenyon Martin Again

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By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears | Yahoo! Sports

As Rasheed Wallace's foot injury lingers, the New York Knicks are showing a renewed interest in free-agent forward Kenyon Martin, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Knicks have done some additional fact-finding on Martin in recent days, sources said.

Martin has been open-minded about the possibility of accepting a 10-day contract to get the opportunity to prove his value to the Knicks, sources said.

Wallace has missed 12 straight games with what the Knicks call a "stress reaction" in his left foot. The uncertainty surrounding Wallace's return has made the Knicks circle back on the possibility of signing Martin, sources said.

Wallace's status is the "critical piece" to the Knicks signing Martin, one league official said.

Martin, 35, played the most reduced role of his career with the Los Angeles Clippers in his 12th season in 2011-12. The Knicks' roster includes four former teammates of Martin that he's has good relationships with: Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, Marcus Camby and Jason Kidd.


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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:49 am

Another free agent being swooped up.

Jim Buss is a total tool. Why make all these investments just to see them fail because of lack of depth and poor coaching. Penny wise and pound foolish -- getting embarrased, wasting Kobe's years, wasting Nash, losing draft picks to other teams, paying taxes for NOTHING in terms of contention, paying Brown millions for nothing, and risking losing Dwight because of turmoil. So stupid. Anyone could see that Gasol should have been moved weeks ago. Now may be too late.

I still say the best way for the Lakers to turn this around and make a run THIS YEAR for the 7th or 8th seed, and still have a team that can contend, is to move Gasol and get pieces that have value so even if they have longer term deals they can be moved in 2014 for their plan.

Gasol, Ebanks, Sacre to Minny for Pek, D. Williams, Barea (or Luke) and a 2nd round pick.

Pek to Portland for Mathews (in a 3-way deal and whatever piece to make it work)

Then trade Duhon, Meeks and the 2nd from Minny (and some cash) to Wiz for Ariza. Sign West to min.

A team with a bench that has shooters (Barea, Williams, Mathews), vets with playoff experience and who can hit big pressure shots (Barea, Ariza, Mathews), youth, speed, athleticism/hops (Ariza, Mathews, D, Williams, Hill), and some decent wing/pg defenders (Ariza and Mathews) and great energy guys. ALL OF THE THINGS WE NEED. Guys who would all fit MDA's system (and excel in it) and mix easily with our starters.

Starters: Nash, West, Kobe, Ron, Dwight

Bench Mob: Barea (Morris), Mathews (Blake), Ariza (Jamison), D. Will (Clark), Hill (Martin or Murphy or some scrub).

This would also help limit minutes for Kobe (34) and Nash (30). Ths team could go on a huge run, play big (with Dwight, Hill, Ron, Kobe), play small, fast, and defend, and have one of the best benches in the league. The extra money (plus tax) for Martin and West would be well worth it).

I think, top to bottom, defense and meshing starters and bench, this is the best team we could put on the floor with Gasol for pieces.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Uncle Drew on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:01 am

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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:13 am

I don't understand the first one... No team in the NBA wants Dwight to sign with another team besides the Lakers more than Cleveland...

Cleveland wants Dwight to sign with another team more than most NBA teams?... Did I translate that right?

And if so, why? If Dwight signs elsewhere, then we have even MORE room to sign someone like LeBron AND someone else...
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:05 am

Grizzlies Exploring Zach Randolph Trade

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The Memphis Grizzlies have held preliminary trade talks involving Zach Randolph.

The Sacramento Kings are one team that have engaged the Grizzlies on Randolph, according to a source.

The Grizzlies have also been discussing a trade centered on Rudy Gay.

No deal involving Gay is imminent, according to a source.


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Raptors Interested In Trading For Rudy Gay

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:05 am

Raptors Interested In Trading For Rudy Gay

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By Marc Stein
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RENO, Nev. -- The Memphis Grizzlies have not made an iron-clad decision about trading swingman Rudy Gay before the league's Feb. 21 buzzer for deals, according to NBA front-office sources.

The Grizzlies might trade him. But they might not.

The Toronto Raptors, by contrast, have definitively decided to make a real run at Gay.

The Raptors might not be able to swing a deal for him. But they'd love to.

Sources told ESPN.com this week that the Raptors -- who tried to make a play for Gay before the 2012 NBA draft -- remain seriously "interested" in the Grizzlies' leading scorer and are trying to assemble trade packages to bring the 26-year-old to Toronto after preliminary talks with Memphis.

Among the trade chips that the Raptors are believed to be dangling, in addition to draft considerations, are veteran point guard Jose Calderon (who has an expiring contract worth $10.6 million) and young big man Ed Davis.

Grantland's Zach Lowe reported last week that the Grizzlies had begun the process of letting various teams know that Gay would be available in the right deal before the annual February trade deadline. Sources consulted in Reno during the NBA's annual D-League Showcase have described the bulk of those discussions to date to be exploratory in nature, but Toronto, as part of that process, has let it be known to the Grizzlies that its desire to acquire Gay has not waned.

It was widely assumed around the league coming into the season that the Grizzlies' new ownership group, headed by majority owner Robert Pera and CEO Jason Levien, would look into moving Gay to lessen Memphis' luxury-tax obligations after this season and coming seasons.

But the Grizzlies, with their three top players all healthy for the first time in three seasons, got off to a rousing 14-3 start and, despite fading slightly to 22-10, are generally regarded as a team capable of winning the ever-competitive Western Conference.

That has led some rival teams to project that the Grizzlies, as one GM in Reno put in Tuesday, could "wait until the summer" before deciding whether they're indeed prepared to break up the Zach Randolph-Marc Gasol-Gay trio.

Yahoo! Sports reported Tuesday that the Phoenix Suns, like the Raptors, have let the Grizzlies know that they are prepared to trade for Gay by packaging swingman Jared Dudley with future first-round picks. The Memphis Commercial Appeal subsequently reported that the Sacramento Kings are also among the teams to engage the Grizzlies in preliminary Gay talks, with CBSSports.com and the Contra Costa Times reporting that similar discussions between Memphis and Golden State quickly ended when it became apparent that the Warriors would have to include the contract of Richard Jefferson to make the salary-cap math work.

The Raptors, meanwhile, tried to trade for Gay six months ago, offering up various packages headlined by the No. 8 pick in the draft (eventually used on Terrence Ross) and Calderon. The Grizzlies, still owned by Michael Heisley at the time, passed.

Word is that the Grizzlies' new regime is adamant that it won't merely try to dump salary by dealing Gay in-season if it severely weakens their team in the process. Gay, averaging a team-high 17.8 points per game but shooting a career-low 40.8 percent from the floor, is earning $16.4 million in 2012-13 and is scheduled to earn $17.8 million and $19.3 million in the next two seasons, respectively.

Said another GM: "I think keeping Gay is still on the table for them, too."


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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Weezy on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:10 am

I don't understand why Memphis would want to trade Gay and Randolph when they're 22-10.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:14 am

Weezy wrote:I don't understand why Memphis would want to trade Gay and Randolph when they're 22-10.


^^$$$$. But yeah, it seems shortsighted somehow, especially Z Bo who has been so valuable to them. I can understand them letting Gay go. They've been basically as good without him in stretches as with him and he's got a pretty significant contract.

Wish we could somehow get Gay. Seems like he'd be a hell of a fit here. I've been reluctant for us to trade Pau especially for the names I've heard, but if we could somehow land Rudy Gay for him, I'd do that.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Uncle Drew on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:18 am

They want to avoid paying luxury tax.
Rudy Gay:
12/13 $16,460,532
13/14 $17,888,932
14/15 $19,317,326


Z-BO:
12/13 $16,500,000
13/14 $17,800,000
14/15 $16,500,000


And younger Gasol is also at 13, 14 and 15 000 000$ next three years.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Weezy on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:19 am

Yeah I mean if we could trade Pau for Gay I'd do it, he seems a bit injury prone but I'd still take the chance. Doubt Memphis would do it though, not without a 3rd team.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:23 am

^ Minnesota!

I've been saying this in NBA Discussion for a couple of days! :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Uncle Drew on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:26 am

Memphis is trying to cut down these big contracts, why would they want 19 000 000$ back with Pau?
They want Jared Dudley+first round picks for Rudy Gay.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:35 am

Uncle Drew wrote:Memphis is trying to cut down these big contracts, why would they want 19 000 000$ back with Pau?
They want Jared Dudley+first round picks for Rudy Gay.


If there is a third team involved like Minnesota, they can absorb the salary for Pau; Memphis isn't taking him back obvously; it's one of the reasons I believe a 3rd team is almost a must have if you want to move Pau at any point for such a exhorbitant contract.

Think about it; when we traded Luke's seemingly unmovable contract, we included a draft pick. With Pau's contract we have no draft picks to include and or any upcoming young prospects that would even entice a team to deal with us regarding Pau. Take for instance when Kenyon was dealt to OKC; Kevin had a expiring for 12,439,675; Houston included youth, a productive piece in Kevin, and were able to get rid of that contract. We don't have that same luxury.
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Re: Roster Improvement: So how's your 40 dash? You're hired!

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:41 am

therealdeal wrote:^ Minnesota!

I've been saying this in NBA Discussion for a couple of days! :man10:


^^ Shows how much I go over there! :man10:

Yeah, might be cool. But Weezy is right, Gay does seem to get injured a lot, which is the only thing that gives me pause (Pau's).

Still might do it anyway though. At least it's high talent back. I hate the idea of trading Pau for peanuts.

Even with Gay, it might be better to hold off and wait til the summer. Pau is our ONLY real trading chip. Have to be careful there. He's going to have so much more value then.

Also if we trade for Gay, that's kind of it for us. We'll be strapped with that contract like Memphis is now.
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Postby Finwë on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:36 pm

therealdeal wrote:I don't understand the first one... No team in the NBA wants Dwight to sign with another team besides the Lakers more than Cleveland...

Cleveland wants Dwight to sign with another team more than most NBA teams?... Did I translate that right?

And if so, why? If Dwight signs elsewhere, then we have even MORE room to sign someone like LeBron AND someone else...

Either it was a writing mistake or he was talking about how signing Dwight would make us a more appealing destination for LeBron. In 2014 only Nash and Dwight would be on the books, right? That would probably leave room for LeBron too. I guess that's what they fear, that we sign Dwight and LeBron finds us attractive as a place to come play in
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