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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:51 am

Duhon/maybe some incentive for G. Green

Green has fallen out of the rotation with Indy.....pretty obvious his #'s were misleading during his short stint with Nets. However with that said he is an athlete and shooting wise he is as streak as Meeks but at least he's a legit 6-6 guard, relatively cheap @ 3.5mill per for the next 2 seasons.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:16 am

Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:27 am

therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.


so is Jr Smith but hasn't stopped him from being a solid bench piece, it has prevented him from being an elite player though. what do you mean sat him for years? He played on the Defender for like a season or two and had what like 1 legit camp invite? Comments like yours were easily applicable to Ariza/Clark too before their emergence here, Ariza always thought he was better than he was and Clark, well people always questionned his IQ too.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:08 pm

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therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.


so is Jr Smith but hasn't stopped him from being a solid bench piece, it has prevented him from being an elite player though. what do you mean sat him for years? He played on the Defender for like a season or two and had what like 1 legit camp invite? Comments like yours were easily applicable to Ariza/Clark too before their emergence here, Ariza always thought he was better than he was and Clark, well people always questionned his IQ too.


The only thing JR Smith is "solid" for is as a substrate for tattoos..... try counting on him in a real playoff situation and see how "solid" he is.... He, like most of those guys on that team fold like deck chairs when it the pressure is on....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:15 pm

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therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.


so is Jr Smith but hasn't stopped him from being a solid bench piece, it has prevented him from being an elite player though. what do you mean sat him for years? He played on the Defender for like a season or two and had what like 1 legit camp invite? Comments like yours were easily applicable to Ariza/Clark too before their emergence here, Ariza always thought he was better than he was and Clark, well people always questionned his IQ too.


The only thing JR Smith is "solid" for is as a substrate for tattoos..... try counting on him in a real playoff situation and see how "solid" he is.... He, like most of those guys on that team fold like deck chairs when it the pressure is on....


we are talking bout bench players here right? Dude avg. 15/gm albeit on horrible % from the field but that was against Mia last year. Do you think any of our bench player could've even remotely sniff that type of contribution over the past few seasons? Even our 6th man of the year Odom failed us against Dall.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:41 pm

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therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.


so is Jr Smith but hasn't stopped him from being a solid bench piece, it has prevented him from being an elite player though. what do you mean sat him for years? He played on the Defender for like a season or two and had what like 1 legit camp invite? Comments like yours were easily applicable to Ariza/Clark too before their emergence here, Ariza always thought he was better than he was and Clark, well people always questionned his IQ too.

No. Comments like mine are absolutely justified. He was on our D-League roster for years and we never called him up. We passed on him repeatedly. We could have used his athleticism over the last couple of years, why didn't we give him a shot?

Because he sucks. They didn't want him in NJ and now they don't want him in Indiana. He got his shot. He got his flash in the pan. Now the world knows he's dumb, he's inconsistent, and he doesn't deserve an NBA roster spot just because he's athletic.

JR Smith is smarter than he is as a basketball player at this point in Smith's career.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:26 pm

watching D-Fish destroy the Spurs with 4 3's in a row in 5 mins of play really makes me miss him. idk why we didn't try playing him off the bench. he's doing great for OKC. defense isn't bad either. fighting through screens better than ANY of our current point guards and just drilling the open 3's our guys get. forced a jup ball by fighting through the screen instead of giving up and getting a hand on the ball.

dude is a champ and I wish we kept him off the bench instead of getting rid of him. I know we got hill who has been amazing but I just wish there was a way to get both
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:26 pm

d fish 4 3's in a row! in like 7 mins of play
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:52 pm

therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.

I don't know.. I could see him getting around Kobe & having an Ariza/Clark type breakout. Kobe pushes those athletic young fowards.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:14 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.

I don't know.. I could see him getting around Kobe & having an Ariza/Clark type breakout. Kobe pushes those athletic young fowards.

If I'm not mistaken, he's been a camp invite. If he was that kind of player, he'd be a Laker right now.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:45 pm

DFish 17 points 6/8 FG 5/7 3PT 14 mins
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:26 pm

Ariza3 wrote:DFish 17 points 6/8 FG 5/7 3PT 14 mins

before that though he was just god awful. Any player looks nice when he's hitting his shots and tonight was just one of those nights.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby XXIV on Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:47 pm

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Ariza3 wrote:DFish 17 points 6/8 FG 5/7 3PT 14 mins

before that though he was just god awful. Any player looks nice when he's hitting his shots and tonight was just one of those nights.


Yep. Shooting 31% FG, 29% from three this season.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:04 pm

therealdeal wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.

I don't know.. I could see him getting around Kobe & having an Ariza/Clark type breakout. Kobe pushes those athletic young fowards.

If I'm not mistaken, he's been a camp invite. If he was that kind of player, he'd be a Laker right now.

Earl didn't look like that kind of player until he got significant minutes.. You can't tell everything in camp.. Some guys get amped up when the lights are on.. Green had a nice little run with the Nets & has been a solid rotation player in Indy.. At worst he'd give us a legit backup SF that we haven't had this season.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:11 pm

He's been kicked OUT of the rotation in New Jersey and then in Indiana AFTER getting his shot at the rotation. At worst he'd give us an uber-athletic moron instead of a decently athletic backup SF. Oh except he comes at a higher price for more guaranteed years.

What are you people thinking?

I'd rather have CDR.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:10 am

Ariza3 wrote:watching D-Fish destroy the Spurs with 4 3's in a row in 5 mins of play really makes me miss him. idk why we didn't try playing him off the bench. he's doing great for OKC. defense isn't bad either. fighting through screens better than ANY of our current point guards and just drilling the open 3's our guys get. forced a jup ball by fighting through the screen instead of giving up and getting a hand on the ball.

dude is a champ and I wish we kept him off the bench instead of getting rid of him. I know we got hill who has been amazing but I just wish there was a way to get both


as great as we are at making the big moves.. we are horrid at rounding out our bench.

Birdman, K Mart, Nate Rob, Fisher, Barnes

These are all guys that easily could have been Lakers.

Letting Barnes go was a big loss, considering how well he is playing. Nate Rob would be a great back up PG/scorer off the bench, and K Mart and Birdman are big bench pieces. Once HIll went down, we should have gone after either of those 2.

I feel like our franchise just completely against taking the gamble on the end of the bench guy who needs a "comeback" so to speak.

That's one area we NEED to improve this off season- rounding out our bench with guys who when given mins can actually play meaningful mins.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:48 am

Fisher has been HORRIBLE with OKC ... one good game and we should have signed him :man10: ... Blake is ten times better than Fish...

Barnes is a well known playoffs choker and always injured in the postseason...

Nate would have been a nice boost off the bench ... can get out of control at times though and it could have been a bad experience with MDA as the coach ...

K Mart/Pedobear are definetely serviceable pieces .

I definetely agree with your first and last sentences ... and that's why I'm not optimistic about the future of our team at mid-term ... Lakers always have been about getting superstars , sure it does win titles but there is a moment when it isn't possible to just get one , that's why you have to be better at developing and picking role and bench players ...

We had 2 of the all time greats with Kobe and Shaq for the latest 17 seasons ... acquiring another player of this caliber after Kobe retired isn't probably going to happen ... that's when the role/bench players factor kicks in if you want to stay relevant
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:48 am

therealdeal wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Pass. He's dumb as a sack of rocks. That's why the Lakers sat on him for years and never offered him a spot.

I don't know.. I could see him getting around Kobe & having an Ariza/Clark type breakout. Kobe pushes those athletic young fowards.

If I'm not mistaken, he's been a camp invite. If he was that kind of player, he'd be a Laker right now.


man come on, dont act as if we never had camp invites who didnt' make the team and go on to have a solid nba career elsewhere....there are more circumstances invovled than "not being good enough" for this team. The fact that a guy like Morris made the squad speaks volumes of talent evaluation, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be. The last time he was here and didn't make it we had Barnes/Ebanks/MWP as the 3 man rotation @ forward. Green might not be in the rotation in indy that doesn't mean he couldnt work out elsewhere. He thrived when Nets were sucking and played at a high pace but now he plays with Indy who is more of the slow grind it out type of team. I'm not saying he's magically gona turn into a stud but he couldn't be any worse than the guy I'm trying to trade him for, Duhon.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:15 am

I'm not saying he's going to come here and suck up a roster spot like Ebanks, but... he will. The ONLY reason he'd crack the rotation here is because we have no one else at the position.

But the fact that he was here and didn't get a spot is telling. We had a chance to get him in the 2011-2012 season and we didn't. We needed athleticism then and it was sure obvious this kid had that. But before that he was a camp invite for a year or two and we STILL didn't sign him. He's not smart enough to be an NBA player.

He'd be Devin Ebanks with more guaranteed years and at a higher price.

We could get CDR (who likely wouldn't crack the rotation either) and he'd give us similar scoring ability, some of that athleticism, but at a fraction of the cost and with a FAR better attitude. Not to mention that in CDR's short time here he built a rapport with the team. I don't remember hearing anything about how Green was impacted by Kobe Bryant or any of our other veterans.

Trade Duhon for some draft picks or for a backup big man if you're going to trade him for anything.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby 432J on Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:34 am

yeah whoever that's saying we should have brought back fisher, he's had like 3 good games this season. and have you not forgotten about how much of a liability he is on D? nash is already a liability on D so just imagine if fish was backing him up
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:24 am

432J wrote:yeah whoever that's saying we should have brought back fisher, he's had like 3 good games this season. and have you not forgotten about how much of a liability he is on D? nash is already a liability on D so just imagine if fish was backing him up
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i'd take blake any day and that's really saying something


that's 3 more than Duhon or Morris.

I don't think anyone is a quality backup or the backup we are missing, but having a vet like him on our bench could help. Especially in a season like this one.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:23 pm

Indeed it is 3 more than Duhon. In addition he would've provided crucial locker room presence and leadership. Plus Kobe Pau and Metta would've been happy.

Imagine Dwight getting schooled by the wise words of Fish? He'd be a 3rd string PG because Blake > Fisher
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Helljumper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:40 pm

Wasting a roster spot/money on a 38 year old Fisher when we have other glaring issues would've been a terrible move.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:48 pm

Helljumper wrote:Wasting a roster spot/money on a 38 year old Fisher when we have other glaring issues would've been a terrible move.

This...

I'd have taken any number of swing men over him at this point. I love Derek, but we don't need him and he's not a good fit here anymore.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:56 pm

Seriously?

We're talking about hypothetically replacing Fisher for Duhon. You guys would pay Duhon's $3.5 MILLION over Fisher's $261,000?

They've played almost the same number of minutes this season.
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