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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:57 pm

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Weezy wrote:Dunleavy? Hell no, I'd have to think about even giving him the vet minimum.

We have enough white, unathletic dudes... im with Weezy on this one.


why race gota be invovled? :man10: as for Korver, yea good luck trying to get him for that kind of low end money and defensively he blows just as bad and is purely a 1 trick pony. Dunleavy is a poors Odom, probably does more than Odom these days. Athleticism/Speed can only do you so much cause Meeks has em but has the IQ of a snail.


Korver I would pay MLE for. He might not be great on D, but he's a deadly shooter and makes up for it there. Dunleavy is 32, no thanks. I only consider a guy like Dunleavy after we have filled the roster with guys that can make up for him defensively, I don't throw the MLE at him and fill pretty much no real needs.


I'm not trying to sell Dunleavy on you but he is shooting 43% from 3's only 2% worse than Korver. Korver can only shoot and based on our own prior meetings with him in Utah and what I saw during his performance with Chi last year, he's easily shut down if you dont allow him to get open because he can't do nothing else but shoot. Like I said just a suggestion, thats not alot of athletes that can shoot and defend thats gona take the MINI mle, I just thought Dunleavy ball handling and shooting abilities could help the bench unit.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby borri on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:58 pm

Good job Pau on increasing your trade value! :jam2:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:13 pm

I guess I just see Korver as much more of a deadly shooter, you can't leave him open for a second. He just plays like a younger guy to me still even though he and Dunleavy are the same age. I'd rather go after Dorell Wright than either of them though, we need to get younger and more athletic, not keep adding old dudes.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby gcclaker on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:17 pm

Weezy wrote:Dunleavy? Hell no, I'd have to think about even giving him the vet minimum.

Luke Walton 2.0 without the passing ability and the court vision but can hit the perimeter shot. Think that over... :man12:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:18 pm

Weezy wrote:I guess I just see Korver as much more of a deadly shooter, you can't leave him open for a second. He just plays like a younger guy to me still even though he and Dunleavy are the same age. I'd rather go after Dorell Wright than either of them though, we need to get younger and more athletic, not keep adding old dudes.


i'm fine with him if he's willing to accept that mini mle money.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:19 pm

Two different scenarios make me say yay and nay (not a 1st choice) about Dunleavy.....

Yay - We trade Pau and get 2-3 solid role players, which if he keeps playing this way, it's becoming more realistic. Those players should be younger and more athletic, so adding a Dunleavy to mix in would probably be a smart move.

Nay - We stand pat and in that case I would want to spend the mini-MLE on the best available player we could get a the 2/3 spot. Dunleavy would be a few choices down the line.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:21 pm

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Weezy wrote:Dunleavy? Hell no, I'd have to think about even giving him the vet minimum.

Luke Walton 2.0 without the passing ability and the court vision but can hit the perimeter shot. Think that over... :man12:


just cause they're both white doesn't mean they're comparable and Dunleavy avg. 2.4 asst for his career vs. Puke 2.3, Puke only had that one good season with his 4.3 asst per.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby gcclaker on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:29 pm

^I haven't followed his career much but Dunleavy was deemed a good prospect out of Duke. He has been injured and slow to recover the last few years I believe. That was the one comparison I had in mind. I do think Dunleavy is a more respectable shooter than Walton ever was. Oh and I would agree with Weezy on Wright.

Seriously though...if Dunleavy was to be on board that's who most Laker fans will compare him to.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:24 pm

No to Dunleavy, c'mon.

How many times this season have we complained that teams just run right past us? How in the world is Dunleavy going to help that?

This team needs YOUTH and ATHLETICISM. Not everywhere, but enough of it. We have almost NONE. This summer should be focused absolutely on getting players who can get after the ball defensively and run with some of these fast teams.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:27 pm

therealdeal wrote:No to Dunleavy, c'mon.

How many times this season have we complained that teams just run right past us? How in the world is Dunleavy going to help that?

This team needs YOUTH and ATHLETICISM. Not everywhere, but enough of it. We have almost NONE. This summer should be focused absolutely on getting players who can get after the ball defensively and run with some of these fast teams.


youth/athleticism dont cheap especially skilled ones, thus the reason we got Jodi so cheap.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:33 pm

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therealdeal wrote:No to Dunleavy, c'mon.

How many times this season have we complained that teams just run right past us? How in the world is Dunleavy going to help that?

This team needs YOUTH and ATHLETICISM. Not everywhere, but enough of it. We have almost NONE. This summer should be focused absolutely on getting players who can get after the ball defensively and run with some of these fast teams.


youth/athleticism dont cheap especially skilled ones, thus the reason we got Jodi so cheap.

And yet Jodie is one of our young, athletic players that plays with energy. If we had a bench full of "Jodie"s we'd be pretty solid.

Let me put it this way: Jordan Hill is a "Jodie Meeks". He's not terribly talented or gifted but boy does he work hard and do what he can on the court. If we had 5 guys like that off the bench, we'd be in tip-top shape. Give me a young, dynamic SF off the bench like a Chandler, or even a Brewer or Gee, and we're talking about a way different team today (assuming Hill stays healthy).

We don't need another Antawn Jamison. We need another Jordan Hill or Jodie Meeks.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:37 pm

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therealdeal wrote:No to Dunleavy, c'mon.

How many times this season have we complained that teams just run right past us? How in the world is Dunleavy going to help that?

This team needs YOUTH and ATHLETICISM. Not everywhere, but enough of it. We have almost NONE. This summer should be focused absolutely on getting players who can get after the ball defensively and run with some of these fast teams.


youth/athleticism dont cheap especially skilled ones, thus the reason we got Jodi so cheap.

And yet Jodie is one of our young, athletic players that plays with energy. If we had a bench full of "Jodie"s we'd be pretty solid.

Let me put it this way: Jordan Hill is a "Jodie Meeks". He's not terribly talented or gifted but boy does he work hard and do what he can on the court. If we had 5 guys like that off the bench, we'd be in tip-top shape. Give me a young, dynamic SF off the bench like a Chandler, or even a Brewer or Gee, and we're talking about a way different team today (assuming Hill stays healthy).

We don't need another Antawn Jamison. We need another Jordan Hill or Jodie Meeks.


and as already noted by others all that hustle effort results in very little to even negative results with Jodie alot of hte times. JHill took a pay cut otherwise we wouldn't have been able to afford him. So you get what you pay for, if you want more Jodi Meeks type for that 1.5 mill contract you'll get more of the same crap that comes with it like getting beasted on D and bricking shot after shot.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:43 pm

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I don't want 5 Jodie Meeks clones running off the bench. The very idea is idiotic.

I want 5 guys who are going to come in like their butts are on fire and work tirelessly for me. Jodie will do that. Jordan will do that. There's hundreds of athletes across the country who will do that. A couple examples from teams that are utilizing these types of guys: Amundson, Hollins (Clippers), Matt Barnes, Alonzo Gee, etc.

Guys that don't stop working hard. Steve Blake has earned my respect for the season, he's fine. Jamison is fine even though he's not exactly young and athletic. If Hill could stay healthy he's perfect. Jodie isn't great, but he's worth the price. Only thing missing is the most important piece in today's game: backup SF. We need a dynamic young guy there. He doesn't have to be a shooter or a scorer, he just has to work his butt off, get after it defensively, and run the floor when there's an opportunity for it. I don't have the list in front of me, but I'm sure we could get at least 5 guys like that for cheap.

Obviously it'd be more ideal if we could do that for our starting 1, 3, 4 spot, but it is what it is.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:46 pm

^^^I understood your point, and mine wasn't to say all 5 Meeks either, its to say the price you want to pay you get these types of players with alot of glaring weakness, Jodie has young/athleticism but now we see why we got him so cheap, he's not very good.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:53 pm

khmrP wrote:^^^I understood your point, and mine wasn't to say all 5 Meeks either, its to say the price you want to pay you get these types of players with alot of glaring weakness, Jodie has young/athleticism but now we see why we got him so cheap, he's not very good.

Here's some guys that went for the minimum THIS season that could help us next season from the 2/3 position:

Wayne Ellington, Cartier Martin, Roger Mason Jr., Chris Douglas-Roberts, Matt Barnes, Marquis Daniels. That's 6 guys immediately I could name that signed for the minimum that would have at least given us some decent depth.

There's a bunch that expire that will only command the mini-MLE or some portion of it:

Dahntay Jones, Xavier Henry, Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, Omri Casspi, Anthony Morrow, Corey Brewer, Chase Budinger, Dorrell Wright, Wesley Johnson, Martell Webster.

I'd say maybe two or three of those guys go for over the mini-MLE. Maybe.

Are any of them great? No. But we aren't going to get great players in free agency this season anyway.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:59 pm

therealdeal wrote:
khmrP wrote:^^^I understood your point, and mine wasn't to say all 5 Meeks either, its to say the price you want to pay you get these types of players with alot of glaring weakness, Jodie has young/athleticism but now we see why we got him so cheap, he's not very good.

Here's some guys that went for the minimum THIS season that could help us next season from the 2/3 position:

Wayne Ellington, Cartier Martin, Roger Mason Jr., Chris Douglas-Roberts, Matt Barnes, Marquis Daniels. That's 6 guys immediately I could name that signed for the minimum that would have at least given us some decent depth.

There's a bunch that expire that will only command the mini-MLE or some portion of it:

Dahntay Jones, Xavier Henry, Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, Omri Casspi, Anthony Morrow, Corey Brewer, Chase Budinger, Dorrell Wright, Wesley Johnson, Martell Webster.

I'd say maybe two or three of those guys go for over the mini-MLE. Maybe.

Are any of them great? No. But we aren't going to get great players in free agency this season anyway.

good list of players there for us to consider. I agree, those players aren't anything great but we'll be really limited in free agency like you said.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:02 pm

The Matt Barnes thing pisses me off. He obviously wanted to stay in LA, took the minimum, and we have no real backup SF. It makes no damn sense.

Someone clearly mis-evaluated Devin Ebanks talent....I mean is there any other explanation? Unless Mike Brown just had it in for him. Gosh, that would suck and be idiotic of management.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:05 pm

Chillbongo wrote:The Matt Barnes thing pisses me off. He obviously wanted to stay in LA, took the minimum, and we have no real backup SF. It makes no damn sense.

Someone clearly mis-evaluated Devin Ebanks talent....I mean is there any other explanation? Unless Mike Brown just had it in for him. Gosh, that would suck and be idiotic of management.


I'm pretty sure Barnes said himself that the reason he left the Lakers was Mike Brown.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby gcclaker on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:00 pm

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Chillbongo wrote:The Matt Barnes thing pisses me off. He obviously wanted to stay in LA, took the minimum, and we have no real backup SF. It makes no damn sense.

Someone clearly mis-evaluated Devin Ebanks talent....I mean is there any other explanation? Unless Mike Brown just had it in for him. Gosh, that would suck and be idiotic of management.

I'm pretty sure Barnes said himself that the reason he left the Lakers was Mike Brown.

Yes. A fan asked him about it on Twitter and that was what Barnes stated.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby karacha on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:01 pm

MDA would probably like Barnes as a starter or off the bench. He can play fast, and he has good chemistry with the rest of the Lakers. Oh well. He would probably get injured right before the playoffs.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:32 pm

Well that's unfortunate. Was it that he and Brown butted heads? Did Barnes leave on his own? I'm sure we could've offered him $1M to stay. A bit more than he's getting from the Clappers.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:33 pm

kenshi1023 wrote:roster improvement AND personnel improvement...

bring in phil as VP and replace mda with rambis and shaws.
jimmy retires and takes the role of the late jerry, where he just gambles and hangs out at the playboys mansion.


Totally agree...but I wouldn't go as far to say that Jimmy retires. His dad gave it to him, so it's his...but try to stay out of the way and let the bball heads make the bball decisions. When finances come in, then BOTH Jeanie and Jimmy should summon their deciding vote.

But I want management to make a decision on what direction to take the team first. If its with MDA (please God no) then trade Pau for the type of players he needs for his offense, so that Kobe and our vets are not run into the ground. If its with another coach, then make the hire and then tweak the roster.

Please do not hit home runs like they did last summer and then force fit the coach to it. "Wella, this Nash fella is good at PnR and so is this Howard guy...lets bring in a coach who is known for it too" :bang:
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:44 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Well that's unfortunate. Was it that he and Brown butted heads? Did Barnes leave on his own? I'm sure we could've offered him $1M to stay. A bit more than he's getting from the Clappers.


Here's some good info on it, more of his own words.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2012/11/30/3710740/matt-barnes-on-why-he-isnt-in-purple-and-gold-mike-brown

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/28/sports/la-sp-ln-matt-barnes-time-lakers-bad-situation-20121228

According to an NBA executive, one of the main reasons the Clippers have won so many in a row is "Matt Barnes is playing out of his mind."

When told of the comments, Barnes' response included a slam of ex-Lakers coach, Mike Brown.

"I've been working hard these past few summers. Last year, playing with the Lakers, I was told when I could shoot. If I made mistakes, I'd come out of the game," said Barnes. "This year [Coach] Vinny [Del Negro] has installed a lot of trust in me. He lets me go out there and play my game. If I mess up, he still sticks with me and that goes a long way with any player."

Barnes' year with Phil Jackson was a disappointment when he simply wasn't healthy for the postseason. Last year the forward played 63 games, in the lockout-shortened 66-game regular season, for Brown, averaging 7.8 points a game on 45.2% shooting. While he was banged up throughout the playoffs once again, Barnes clearly didn't feel like he had Brown's trust.

"Coach [Del Negro] has confidence in me; that's all I need," said Barnes. "I can play. I've just been stuck in a bad situation for a little while."

Of course now that the Lakers have Coach Mike D'Antoni running the team, Barnes would have been a much more natural fit. Over the offseason, the Lakers did not look to re-sign him and the Clippers were happy to bring the veteran aboard for his second stint with the team.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:01 pm

Thanks. Yeah, I do remember reading about this now. Guess us not having him this year is really showing right about now.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:13 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
kenshi1023 wrote:roster improvement AND personnel improvement...

bring in phil as VP and replace mda with rambis and shaws.
jimmy retires and takes the role of the late jerry, where he just gambles and hangs out at the playboys mansion.


Totally agree...but I wouldn't go as far to say that Jimmy retires. His dad gave it to him, so it's his...but try to stay out of the way and let the bball heads make the bball decisions. When finances come in, then BOTH Jeanie and Jimmy should summon their deciding vote.

But I want management to make a decision on what direction to take the team first. If its with MDA (please God no) then trade Pau for the type of players he needs for his offense, so that Kobe and our vets are not run into the ground. If its with another coach, then make the hire and then tweak the roster.

Please do not hit home runs like they did last summer and then force fit the coach to it. "Wella, this Nash fella is good at PnR and so is this Howard guy...lets bring in a coach who is known for it too" :bang:


Agreed 1000%

A clear direction is what is needed... right now, that's what we need most.

If it's MDA, hire Alvin Gentry and other coaches who know his system. Trade Pau for a collection of pieces, find an athletic SF. and shooters all over.

If it's PJ or another HC who would value slow down, pound it inside style of play, then keep Pau, find some speed and shooters.

Either way we need some speed and spacing at the starting SF, a penetrating backup PG, and shooters. The difference between coaches is what we'l' do with Pau.

Korver has earned himself a nice full MLE type deal, Jack has earned a nice contract too. Those guys whould be my ideal pick ups but never happening. MAYBE Korver but doubt it.

the new CBA really hurts our ability to be competitive in adding to our roster.

Should kept Barnes and Sessions. Just imagine how different things would be...
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