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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby XXIV on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:26 pm

A young athletic 3 would be nice, I just hope the team as a whole becomes a bit younger and more athletic. I don't see us winning next season unless we can address these needs.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:12 pm

These are guys that should be on our radar, some we'd have to trade for some are FA's that might not get offered a ton in this CBA. Some are pipe but whatever. If we can get a couple of these guys we'll be a much better team next season & in the future with Dwight.


paul george
nicolas batum
stephen curry
ryan anderson
klay thompson
chandler parsons
dannilo gallinari
andre igoudala
damian lillard
oj mayo
jrue holiday
kemba walker
george hill
jeremy lin
corey brewer
wes matthews
jr smith
steve novak
carlos delfino
jared dudley
gordon hayward
kyle korver
terrence ross
jeff teague
brandon knight
greivis vasquez
jose calderon
thabo sefolosha
martell webster
dorell wright
randy foye
mike dunleavy
marcus morris
isaiah thomas
cj watson
nate robinson
john salmons

If you didn't notice the theme, 3 point shooters to space for Dwight to make teams pay for doubling. If we get that down we're tough to beat. Some of these guys could be available cheap (Calderon, Wright, Foye, Webster) & if Pau continues building his trade value some of the better names on the list become realistic. If we have to give up Nash also or instead of Pau to acquire a starting SF, I don't mind it considering the guys we could sign on the cheap. Calderon wants to play with Pau supposedly & Foye or Webster might not get offered more than the mini MLE we'll have to offer.
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Cavaliers Interested In Trading For LaMarcus Aldridge

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:28 pm

Cavaliers Interested In Trading For LaMarcus Aldridge

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The Cleveland Cavaliers have held internal discussions of pursuing a trade with the Portland Trail Blazers for LaMarcus Aldridge, according to sources.

The Cavaliers have enough assets in the form of young players and picks to acquire a player of Aldridge's caliber, but the front office is said to value Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters higher than the rest of the NBA.


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Dell Demps Not Ruling Out Eric Gordon Trade

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:36 pm

Dell Demps Not Ruling Out Eric Gordon Trade

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By John Reid, NOLA.com | The Times Picayune

With concrete plans to make the team better by next season, New Orleans Pelicans General Manager Dell Demps didn’t rule out the possibility the franchise could trade shooting guard Eric Gordon this summer.

During an end of season news conference Monday at the New Orleans Arena, Demps said if a deal arises with Gordon or any other player the Pelicans will have to look at it after finishing with a 27-55 record and missing the playoffs for the second consecutive season.

Gordon led the Hornets with a 17.0 scoring average, but he missed 40 games due to a right knee injury and had strict restrictions imposed by team doctors that held him out of the second game of back-to-back sets to avoid overworking his knee.

"To say if I anticipate him being back – I don’t know if that’s something I can answer right now, or him not to be back,’’ Demps said. "We’re going to sit down and evaluate every situation and opportunity.

"But for a guy to come back from injury like that, I thought he had some ups and some downs, but I still think his future is bright as an NBA player.’’

The Hornets matched the Phoenix Suns’ four-year, $58 million sheet to Gordon last summer to retain him as a restricted free agent. But Gordon missed the first 29 games of this season because of a patella tendon disorder and bone bruise in his right knee.

He didn’t return until Dec. 29 and then was placed on restrictions by team doctors that included for him not to average more than 30 minutes a game. Those restrictions were not lifted until April 9-10 when he played back-to-back games against the Lakers and Sacramento Kings and combined to average 22.5 points.

In February, Gordon became the focus of trade rumors. But several teams apparently had concerns about his health issues and the size of his contract and the trade deadline passed with the Hornets making a deal.

"I thought it was tough on Eric coming back from injury, not having training camp, missing a number of games, not being able to play in back-to-backs,’’ Demps said. "I thought that he really tried to fight through the situation.’’

With Gordon sidelined for the opening two months of the season, the Hornets' young players had to grow up fast. Rookie guard Austin Rivers was thrust into the starting lineup when he appeared like he wasn’t ready, especially offensively. The Hornets had a 7-22 record before Gordon returned.

"Obviously, it’s easy to sit there and blame it on youth or blame it on whatever the players did,'' Coach Monty Williams said. "The bottom line is not just them all the time. I’ve got to do my job as well and I’m not going to hide from that. At the same time, we’re not playing against teams who are not trying to win.

“You look at a lot of those games, we were playing against pretty good teams. Some of those games, you feel like we could have pulled them out but we had planned on that before the season even started.''

Pelicans Executive Vice President Mickey Loomis said they're not happy about the team's 27-55 record in 2012-13, but he said the team had to fight through adversity the entire season because of injuries. In all, 115 games were missed by New Orleans players this season due to injuries.

"Eric from the beginning – missed 40 games,'' Loomis said. "Jason Smith missed 30 games. Anthony (Davis) missed 18 games. We were full strength for only 22 games this season. I believe our record was 11-11 during those 22 games."

Regardless of what decision the Pelicans make about Gordon’s future, Loomis said the franchise is in good hands with Williams and Demps. Loomis gave them both extensions before the regular season began.

"I think, most importantly, we absolutely have the right coach in Monty Williams,’’ Loomis said. "He’s everything that we’re looking for to lead our basketball team.

"We absolutely have the right general manager in Dell Demps. He and his staff made a number of significant moves in this last offseason, and we’re looking forward to having a great offseason plan from him and his staff and from Monty as well.’’

Williams said he will continue working to become a better coach, saying he plans to speak with coaches from other sports, including some NFL coaches.

“During the season, I talk to a number of coaches, whether it be (Gregg Popovich), Coach (Larry) Brown or Nate (McMillan),’’ Williams said. "This summer I’m going to do some different things, maybe talk to some guys in different sports. Last year I got the chance to sit down and listen to (Tony) LaRussa and it was eye-opening some of the things he said that I was able to use this year.

"They were simple things. I don’t mince a lot of words when it comes to me getting better as a coach but I’m always trying to do things necessary to become a better coach. I’m excited for some of the things Mickey has lined up for me as far as being around different voices and learning from people a lot more than I do. I feel like I’m always going to be there trying to improve as a coach.’’


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Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Bargnani

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:46 pm

Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Andrea Bargnani

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By Ryan Wolstat , Toronto Sun

TORONTO - Raptors ownership is poised to bring back Bryan Colangelo and Dwane Casey for another season.

They will be making a mistake, particularly where Colangelo is concerned.

Colangelo’s refusal to recognize the obvious with Andrea Bargnani — that the “enigma of enigmas” could never be relied on as a key building block — and his total misread of the Chris Bosh situation have resulted in three playoff wins in seven years, including five years without a playoff appearance, when things could have been much different.

Sure, drafting Jonas Valanciunas was a coup and acquiring Rudy Gay was a strong play, but the roster that has been built is one that is capped out and limited in where it can go, unless Valanciunas becomes a superstar.

By convincing himself that Bargnani would one day repay his faith in him, Colangelo failed the franchise he has been paid handsomely to direct. Instead of dealing him when he had solid value, Colangelo hung on to the Roman and now, according to league sources, an asset would likely have to be included just to dump the $22.5 million US remaining on his contract.

That’s unacceptable.

Doubly so in that one reason Bosh left was because Colangelo could not properly build around him, partly because he believed Bargnani would be a key piece beside Bosh.

Not to mention, Toronto’s long-time president/general manager saw the team’s second-best all-time player bolt for next to nothing in return. Yes, Bosh and his agent gave indications that Toronto had a shot of retaining the big man, but history shows Colangelo was misguided to believe them. Not with Miami in position to make an historic haul, partly thanks to Colangelo (Jermaine O’Neal for Shawn Marion gifted the Heat the cap space required to add both Bosh and LeBron James).

Colangelo has done some good and some bad while in Toronto, but a unifying theme has been a lack of foresight. A failure to see what is coming next.

From rushing rebuilds, overvaluing his players, to overcompensating to try to alleviate problem areas, Colangelo has been unable to repeat his past success.

Now, with a new collective bargaining agreement making cap management more important than ever, a team has been built where most of the roster (Amir Johnson and Kyle Lowry aside) is being paid at a considerable premium. There are few options to improve the team either, other than through the “organic growth” Colangelo talks so hopefully about.

A new general manager would bring a fresh take on what the Raptors have and what changes have to be made. He would be able to move Bargnani without worrying what the club gets back in return and he would consider paths that Colangelo, sources say, isn’t currently inclined to consider — particularly moving DeMar DeRozan while his value is at a high point.

DeRozan’s defence is a large concern going forward — even if Colangelo disagreed strongly with that notion at his season-ending media availability Monday — and the team needs a dead-eye long-range shooter to complement Gay and Valanciunas far more than it needs DeRozan’s mid-range game.

Colangelo has had plenty of time to lift the Raptors and has not been able to get it done.

It’s time for a change.

The Casey situation is less clear-cut. After an excellent initial season in Toronto, Casey and his staff had a tough follow-up. Casey clashed with the mercurial Lowry, made some curious rotational decisions and watched his charges continually struggle to execute in tight situations (Toronto was one of the poorest teams at closing out tight contests in the league).

Still, that’s not enough to pay Casey to go away, some alterations to his staff could suffice.

Except for the fact that the roster he has been given to work with doesn’t suit his style or philosophy at all. That’s not Casey’s fault, unlike some of the on-court failings of his team, but it’s reality.

Just not in Colangelo’s eyes.

“I’m not sure I agree with you,” he said Monday when I suggested the roster he had built left Casey with one hand tied behind his back.

“There were some things that we needed to sort through and we’re getting to the point where we’re finding the common ground.

“My job in management is to get talent, to bring in athletes. Athletes that have upside and upside is not just offensive upside, it’s defensive upside as well ... There’s a number of players that you can point to and say: ‘Hey, they’ve got the athletic ability and the talent to play defence, it’s just a function of getting them to play defence.’”

The NBA is filled with great athletes. Most of them don’t play strong defence. Offence brings the glory and Toronto’s roster is stocked with players who pride themselves on their attacking skills, not their abilities to get stops.

There’s also the issue that this group is built to run, to take advantage of its athletic advantages, rather than being cerebral and precise.

That’s not what Casey favours (despite his pronouncement that he wants to run off of turnovers next season) and since this roster cannot be broken apart easily without setting the franchise back years, it’s doubtful things work out in Toronto for Casey, a solid coach.

So why try to force something that seems destined to fail?

Plus, a new GM should always be given the chance to pick his own bench boss.

However, sources say there has been no appetite at the MLSE board level to replace either Colangelo or Casey.

Instead, it appears the franchise will continue to attempt to force round pegs into square holes and hope for the best.


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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Rock on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:56 pm

ugh screw Bargnani
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:47 pm

The Rock wrote:ugh screw Bargnani

If they're willing to pay the price of Lowry or Derozan I'll happily take on Bargs. I'm sure we can get something decent for him from a 3rd team.

I think the real question is can we get Lowry without giving up Pau? Toronto was in love with the idea of Nash ending his career there, they were offering him 3 years 36M before we got him.

I know the situation with his family makes it unlikely but Tor thinks Nash will bring in big $$$ & with Gay they're in a better position to win now than they were when he turned them down to join us. You have to think he's not thrilled being on a team that makes him look like a shell of his former self. I know some of that is health & he's declining but he just doesn't fit here & wants to show that he can still lead a team.
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Re: Cavaliers Interested In Trading For LaMarcus Aldridge

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:11 pm

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Cavaliers Interested In Trading For LaMarcus Aldridge

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The Cleveland Cavaliers have held internal discussions of pursuing a trade with the Portland Trail Blazers for LaMarcus Aldridge, according to sources.

The Cavaliers have enough assets in the form of young players and picks to acquire a player of Aldridge's caliber, but the front office is said to value Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters higher than the rest of the NBA.


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I'd love to get in on this & land Batum somehow. If I'm Portland I'm worried about giving up LMA for an unproven TT when the team already lacks quality bigs. Maybe we can get involved & send them Pau we could snag Batum? Something like this:

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Cavs get to keep TT & get a top 3 PF & their apparent target in LMA. Matthews is a downgrade from Waiters considering age but their numbers are really close right now. If Ron exercises his option in time for the trade he'd likely go to the Cavs as they still need a SF. Good move for the Cavs as either way imo.

Portland replaces LMA with the only guy in the league with a post game to rival him & gets to upgrade from Matthews to Waiters & Leonard to AV. They make out very well in this deal.

We get a versatile starting SF that can hit the 3, play defense, play PF in small ball lineups ala Lebron, Durant, Melo etc. He's a great young piece on a very reasonable contract. 2 solid wings that can hit the 3 & play some D, something we sorely needed even before Kobe went out. & we get a legit backup C so we aren't relying on Sacre if D12 or Hill miss a game.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:20 pm

^^ Everything looks like it would be a good trade their except I really doubt CLE will allow Dion Waiters to be part of that deal. CLE would be happy that they get to keep Tristan Thompson who I had heard POR likes a lot too. I'd take that deal for sure. Don't know about you guys. Even though it kills our 2014 PLAN
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:27 pm

Calderon is a free agent this summer. He's not great defensively, but he can sure fit the bill for somebody who can play 25-30 minutes, run the offense, create his shots, and be productive.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:31 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Calderon is a free agent this summer. He's not great defensively, but he can sure fit the bill for somebody who can play 25-30 minutes, run the offense, create his shots, and be productive.

Yeah he would be a great guy to have, but I don't if he would be willing to come for the mini MLE or veteran's minimum.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:36 pm

I'm scared as hell to give another 30+ year old offense first PG a contract. He's good, but man so were Blake and Nash.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:41 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
The Rock wrote:ugh screw Bargnani

If they're willing to pay the price of Lowry or Derozan I'll happily take on Bargs. I'm sure we can get something decent for him from a 3rd team.

I think the real question is can we get Lowry without giving up Pau? Toronto was in love with the idea of Nash ending his career there, they were offering him 3 years 36M before we got him.

I know the situation with his family makes it unlikely but Tor thinks Nash will bring in big $$$ & with Gay they're in a better position to win now than they were when he turned them down to join us. You have to think he's not thrilled being on a team that makes him look like a shell of his former self. I know some of that is health & he's declining but he just doesn't fit here & wants to show that he can still lead a team.


umm if Tor has to give up assets to trade away Bargani, wouldn't we have to do the same when we're sending him to that 3rd team?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:44 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:^^ Everything looks like it would be a good trade their except I really doubt CLE will allow Dion Waiters to be part of that deal. CLE would be happy that they get to keep Tristan Thompson who I had heard POR likes a lot too. I'd take that deal for sure. Don't know about you guys. Even though it kills our 2014 PLAN

I think the Cavs give up either TT or Waiters, not both.. Their only other good asset/contract big enough to make a deal for LMA work is AV.. so it makes more sense to package Waiters instead of giving up both of your bigs. Matthews is a really good replacement for Waiters. Similar numbers but a better defender, still young but experienced & ready to contribute to a playoff team right now.

I don't think it kills any plans for us.. Batum is a great value on his current deal. The other guys are good role players that fit needs & are locked in to good contracts as well. D12, Batum, Clark, Hill, Gee.. We'd have a good young core of defenders/athletes in the frontcourt to make up for our old guards. Ideally we trade Nash before it's too late but even if we keep him, he should fit much better with a more athletic team that can go small & run more.


khmrP wrote:umm if Tor has to give up assets to trade away Bargani, wouldn't we have to do the same when we're sending him to that 3rd team?


Not really.. There were reportedly offers of Boozer & Ben Gordon + pieces for Bargs. BG would be a good pick up for us, especially while Kobe's out. He can create his own shot & has always been a good closer. We're sorely lacking that with Meeks/Morris at SG.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:55 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Battle Tested20 wrote:^^ Everything looks like it would be a good trade their except I really doubt CLE will allow Dion Waiters to be part of that deal. CLE would be happy that they get to keep Tristan Thompson who I had heard POR likes a lot too. I'd take that deal for sure. Don't know about you guys. Even though it kills our 2014 PLAN

I think the Cavs give up either TT or Waiters, not both.. Their only other good asset/contract big enough to make a deal for LMA work is AV.. so it makes more sense to package Waiters instead of giving up both of your bigs. Matthews is a really good replacement for Waiters. Similar numbers but a better defender, still young but experienced & ready to contribute to a playoff team right now.

I don't think it kills any plans for us.. Batum is a great value on his current deal. The other guys are good role players that fit needs & are locked in to good contracts as well. D12, Batum, Clark, Hill, Gee.. We'd have a good young core of defenders/athletes in the frontcourt to make up for our old guards. Ideally we trade Nash before it's too late but even if we keep him, he should fit much better with a more athletic team that can go small & run more.


Yeah that's a really nice defensive combination of Batum and Gee. Where can I sign.....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:07 am

We are so far behind today's league standards when it comes to perimeter players ... I'm not sure why our FO has been waiting for so long to fix this huge pb ... May 2011 , 2 years later NOTHING has changed
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby LOL on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:17 am

karacha wrote:Get us a talented PG, obviously, who can score and set people up.



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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:33 am

Wait so Portland gives up Batum AND Aldridge?... Why? That's pretty ridiculous.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:37 pm

therealdeal wrote:Wait so Portland gives up Batum AND Aldridge?... Why? That's pretty ridiculous.

Pau, AV, Waiters is a pretty sick return but you're right Portland needs more for this to be fair. We don't have anyone of value to throw in except Hill & he'd be redundant with AV & Pau.. They'd have to get another piece from the Cavs, probably a pick.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:32 pm

The Cavs giving up Varejao and Waiters is also incredibly unlikely.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Uncle Drew on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:47 pm

Why the F would somebody who is in rebuilding mode want any part of 33 year old Pau with his 19$ 000 000 contract :bang:
Just be realistic, we will not get nothing big for Pau, i would be absolutely OK if get some bench players that could actually do something, and that's it.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:32 am

Eric Gordon is an interesting piece. After the Bucks being pretty exposed, maybe a 3-way deal where Pelicans get Ellis or Jennings, Bucks get Pau and we get Gordon? Seems to keep everyone happy, especially since Gordon hasn't wanted to be in N.O. since he got there. Probably a pipe trade, but whatever. Bored at work.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:Eric Gordon is an interesting piece. After the Bucks being pretty exposed, maybe a 3-way deal where Pelicans get Ellis or Jennings, Bucks get Pau and we get Gordon? Seems to keep everyone happy, especially since Gordon hasn't wanted to be in N.O. since he got there. Probably a pipe trade, but whatever. Bored at work.

After the injuries we've suffered through this season, I'd like to stay away from guys like Gordon. Jennings would be interesting imo.. But he isn't near the top of my list of guards to pair with Dwight, but maybe he's the best we can get for Pau. Then you get the best SF you can, either with Nash or in FA, Wright would be a great signing.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:43 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:Eric Gordon is an interesting piece. After the Bucks being pretty exposed, maybe a 3-way deal where Pelicans get Ellis or Jennings, Bucks get Pau and we get Gordon? Seems to keep everyone happy, especially since Gordon hasn't wanted to be in N.O. since he got there. Probably a pipe trade, but whatever. Bored at work.

Hell no to Gordon and his contract. I like the kid, but he's not a max level player and he doesn't give max level production and he sure as hell doesn't play enough games.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:51 pm

Hindsight but wish we could've made a play for kyle lowlry last season. ...hes had a down season this yr but tor. Wasnt a good fit for him imo.
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