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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:19 pm

^^^Can't receive a player in a S&T since we'll be projected as a tax paying team when July 1st hits. But next summer, its a different story.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby halekulani on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:59 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:IMHO, I think Pau and Dwight can actually work. Its really no different than Marc and Zach in Memphis.


sure they can work, but i just don't think the ceiling for them together is that high. if pau hit jumpers like david west or if dwight had that 10 ft bank shot like he did in the 2009 finals, he could space the floor better and then their ceiling would be much much higher. both of them, as of now, still work best in the low block.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Helljumper on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:03 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:^^^Can't receive a player in a S&T since we'll be projected as a tax paying team when July 1st hits. But next summer, its a different story.


Is this a new rule that went into effect this season? I thought we got Nash in a S&T.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Uncle Drew on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:04 pm

Just be patient and do everything to get Kyrie Irving here, that's really all i got to say.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:32 pm

thisbjgz wrote:Any chance of us getting Monte/Jennings for Pau in a sign and trade or something? Id love Jennings, he gets to come home and play for his city.


do you know how inefficient Jennings is to make this statement?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:36 pm

Uncle Drew wrote:Just be patient and do everything to get Kyrie Irving here, that's really all i got to say.


so you're willing to wait 3 more years before there even a remote chance at Irvine? Cause until he's up for his 1st ext. Clev is under no pressure to move him even if he demanded a trade.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Helljumper wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:^^^Can't receive a player in a S&T since we'll be projected as a tax paying team when July 1st hits. But next summer, its a different story.


Is this a new rule that went into effect this season? I thought we got Nash in a S&T.


It kicks in this summer along with the super tax via the new CBA.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby magicman32 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:55 pm

Jordan farmar, josh smith, Bledsoe?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:08 pm

Josh Smith
Tony Allen
CJ Watson
JJ Redick
Lamar odom
Trevor ariza

Backup PG, SG, SF, & PF. New Starting SF & PF

Nash/CJ
Kobe/JJ/Allen
Ariza/Allen/Clark
Smith/Odom/Clark
Dwight/Hill

could work. jj with 3's. CJ solid backup can hit the 3 too. Allen defender can hit the 3 too. Ariza athletic defender ex laker can hit the 3. Odom vet ex laker still has a ton of skill, excellent passer can hit 3 too. smith good defender friends with Dwight athletic can hit 3 too.

or get love for pau
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:30 pm

To those suggesting Josh Smith, we can't get him because taxpaying teams can't receive players via sign & trade under the new CBA.

Of guys that will be free agents & might sign cheap enough for us to have a shot at them, I hope we look at Tony Allen, Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, Dorell Wright, Calderon, Nate Robinson, Kyle Korver. Sign one of those PG's & one of the wings & we're already a much improved team.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:19 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Josh Smith
Tony Allen
CJ Watson
JJ Redick
Lamar odom
Trevor ariza

Backup PG, SG, SF, & PF. New Starting SF & PF

Nash/CJ
Kobe/JJ/Allen
Ariza/Allen/Clark
Smith/Odom/Clark
Dwight/Hill

could work. jj with 3's. CJ solid backup can hit the 3 too. Allen defender can hit the 3 too. Ariza athletic defender ex laker can hit the 3. Odom vet ex laker still has a ton of skill, excellent passer can hit 3 too. smith good defender friends with Dwight athletic can hit 3 too.

or get love for pau



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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:31 pm

Please No to Josh smith. You think our outside shooting and free throws are bad now :man10: Just wait
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:34 pm

Center Court wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:Josh Smith
Tony Allen
CJ Watson
JJ Redick
Lamar odom
Trevor ariza

Backup PG, SG, SF, & PF. New Starting SF & PF

Nash/CJ
Kobe/JJ/Allen
Ariza/Allen/Clark
Smith/Odom/Clark
Dwight/Hill

could work. jj with 3's. CJ solid backup can hit the 3 too. Allen defender can hit the 3 too. Ariza athletic defender ex laker can hit the 3. Odom vet ex laker still has a ton of skill, excellent passer can hit 3 too. smith good defender friends with Dwight athletic can hit 3 too.

or get love for pau



this post is why Laker fans get made fun of.


seriously right? :man10: the only guy on that list remotely available for our kind of money is CJ, everyone else is looking for way more than that 3.5mill mini MLE and yet his scenario has us getting 2 guys looking to get paid big time in Reddick/Allen.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:42 pm

FYI Guys:

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:30 am

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:33 am

Thanks for that tweet.....

That will go in my, "Why the FO is dumb and keeps passing on NateRob", file.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:55 am

^^^I'd say some of these roster moves had something to do with Brown, obviously Barnes noted he wasn't a laker because of Brown. Although considering what Nate took $ wise and how long it took him to get that small contract I'd have to say what he's doing for Chi wasn't expected by most either.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby D.B. Cooper on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:58 am

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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:30 am

We're very limited this summer, obviously; we're handicapped financially. I'd try to retain Jamison on the cheap, re-sign Glock on the cheap, and probably bring back Meeks, unfortunately. He's a cheap option. I'd resign Clark, too. Nash isn't retiring but will probably have health issues next year; Blake is on the books for another year. Ebanks, Duhon, Morris, are gone, IMO. I think Sacre comes back.

I'd try to trade Pau & amnesty MWP. At this point, I don't know what you can get for Pau; he's still solid offensively but his health is declining & he can't play good defense if his life depended on it. You hope you can get a capable SF & youth. Amnestying MWP should be easy. He was awful. That will save some money.

I'm not looking for a complete overhaul this summer. Nevertheless, I will be expecting some changes. This roster isn't conducive to winning championships. Dwight & Pau just don't work, IMO. Who knows when Kobe is coming back. We'll see...
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:54 am

khmrP wrote:^^^I'd say some of these roster moves had something to do with Brown, obviously Barnes noted he wasn't a laker because of Brown. Although considering what Nate took $ wise and how long it took him to get that small contract I'd have to say what he's doing for Chi wasn't expected by most either.


Well I must have been the only one then because he had a great season for the Warriors and for he's had solid career for a backup. He shouldn't be making non-guaranteed vet. min, when you have guys like Meeks getting 1.5 million for offering nothing.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:00 am

Doc Brown wrote:
khmrP wrote:^^^I'd say some of these roster moves had something to do with Brown, obviously Barnes noted he wasn't a laker because of Brown. Although considering what Nate took $ wise and how long it took him to get that small contract I'd have to say what he's doing for Chi wasn't expected by most either.


Well I must have been the only one then because he had a great season for the Warriors and for he's had solid career for a backup. He shouldn't be making non-guaranteed vet. min, when you have guys like Meeks getting 1.5 million for offering nothing.

To be fair khmrp has a point. Most people had passed on Nate or were only offering a small amount. I think that just means most FOs are to blame, ours being one of them. Especially since most fans were saying (you and I included) that Nate brought some good to the table.

But Meeks' upside was there: young guy, looking to prove something, seemed like a really solid fit, seemed to have a solid role. We ALL thought it was a pretty good signing when it happened. We didn't expect the season to go like this.

Considering we had Johnson-Odom and Goudelock and 4 other PGs already with guaranteed contracts, passing on Nate doesn't seem all that far fetched. Retrospectively it was a poor choice.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby thisbjgz on Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:19 pm

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thisbjgz wrote:Any chance of us getting Monte/Jennings for Pau in a sign and trade or something? Id love Jennings, he gets to come home and play for his city.


do you know how inefficient Jennings is to make this statement?


I can see what you mean because of his disappointing performances..but i think with the right coach and players around him to push him and right him..he can be a very good player. He's cocky, not scared of the lights, selfish(u sorta need that somewhat) and can ball. and he's young, quick and has a 3ball. something we desperately need. Obviously I'm all for Kyrie..but still it's a long shot that he's coming to LA in 2014.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby XXIV on Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:34 pm

thisbjgz wrote:
khmrP wrote:
thisbjgz wrote:Any chance of us getting Monte/Jennings for Pau in a sign and trade or something? Id love Jennings, he gets to come home and play for his city.


do you know how inefficient Jennings is to make this statement?


I can see what you mean because of his disappointing performances..but i think with the right coach and players around him to push him and right him..he can be a very good player. He's cocky, not scared of the lights, selfish(u sorta need that somewhat) and can ball. and he's young, quick and has a 3ball. something we desperately need. Obviously I'm all for Kyrie..but still it's a long shot that he's coming to LA in 2014.


Just by going what Jennings has said in the past he wants a big contract. Yes he's all those things you mentioned but he's also inefficient and that's what's scary when a player is cocky and a ball hog. For the right price I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in, but it appears he wants a big payday.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:54 pm

man...the 2014 FA class is freekin LOADED

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:38 pm

It's going to be extremely hard to preserve cap space for that class of FA and still be a contender...

Amnesty MWP

Trade Pau, Future First for Milsap (S&T) and Marvin Williams
Utah gets Marvin off their books and gets something for Milsap. Maybe Pau is that vet and 3rd big/mentor after they let Al Jeff walk.


Sign Nate Rob for the mMLE
Our sixth man

Resign Clark
Need some youth on the bench

Sign LO to the Minn
Jamison is gone

Sign Dunleavy JR to the min
shooter

Sign cheap defensive SF
Someone, anyone?

Trade Steve Blake for a back up 2
Nick Young?

I doubt Utah does that, but I'm trying to keep my pipe dream somewhat realistic. If all those were somehow facilitate, we'd ruin the 2014 plan, but have a pretty damn good team.

Dwight/Hill/Sacre
Milsap/LO/Clark
Marvin/Dunleavy
(Kobe)/Young/Meeks
Nash/Nate Rob

Ok, I'm done
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