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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby The Laker Link on Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:52 pm

Center Court wrote:It's going to be extremely hard to preserve cap space for that class of FA and still be a contender...

Amnesty MWP

Trade Pau, Future First for Milsap (S&T) and Marvin Williams
Utah gets Marvin off their books and gets something for Milsap. Maybe Pau is that vet and 3rd big/mentor after they let Al Jeff walk.


Sign Nate Rob for the mMLE
Our sixth man

Resign Clark
Need some youth on the bench

Sign LO to the Minn
Jamison is gone

Sign Dunleavy JR to the min
shooter

Sign cheap defensive SF
Someone, anyone?

Trade Steve Blake for a back up 2
Nick Young?

I doubt Utah does that, but I'm trying to keep my pipe dream somewhat realistic. If all those were somehow facilitate, we'd ruin the 2014 plan, but have a pretty damn good team.

Dwight/Hill/Sacre
Milsap/LO/Clark
Marvin/Dunleavy
(Kobe)/Young/Meeks
Nash/Nate Rob

Ok, I'm done


Or what about Millsap and Foye or Millsap and Mo Williams? That would be nice.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:30 am

The Laker Link wrote:
Center Court wrote:It's going to be extremely hard to preserve cap space for that class of FA and still be a contender...

Amnesty MWP

Trade Pau, Future First for Milsap (S&T) and Marvin Williams
Utah gets Marvin off their books and gets something for Milsap. Maybe Pau is that vet and 3rd big/mentor after they let Al Jeff walk.


Sign Nate Rob for the mMLE
Our sixth man

Resign Clark
Need some youth on the bench

Sign LO to the Minn
Jamison is gone

Sign Dunleavy JR to the min
shooter

Sign cheap defensive SF
Someone, anyone?

Trade Steve Blake for a back up 2
Nick Young?

I doubt Utah does that, but I'm trying to keep my pipe dream somewhat realistic. If all those were somehow facilitate, we'd ruin the 2014 plan, but have a pretty damn good team.

Dwight/Hill/Sacre
Milsap/LO/Clark
Marvin/Dunleavy
(Kobe)/Young/Meeks
Nash/Nate Rob

Ok, I'm done


Or what about Millsap and Foye or Millsap and Mo Williams? That would be nice.

Some good suggestions in here.. The Millsap thing isn't possible unless it's part of a 3 way where Josh Smith goes to Utah & Millsap to ATL, we can't be on he receiving end of a S&T but we can be involved if 1 of them wants Pau & has pieces we want. I've liked Foye for a while he's one of the best 3 point shooters in the game. I think LO needs to return. So many games this season I remember wishing Earl Clark had LO's handles & passing ability. He isn't the 6th man of the year he was for us before but I think it's clear a player with his skillset would make us better. I don't like the idea of Dunleavy unless we add a couple athletic defenders via trade or something. We're better off with Brewer, Wright, or Morrow or another wing who can hit the 3 but still defend. If we land a stud SF & youth for Pau, I'd be much more receptive to guys like Dunleavy & Calderon. Corey Brewer would be my pick of all of the available wings that could potentially be had for what we can offer. I don't see denver letting him go but at the same time, they're so deep on the wings.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:51 am

pound4pound1 wrote:man...the 2014 FA class is freekin LOADED

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents


Iman Shumpert & Avery Bradley stick out to me. Both great individual defenders. I would love to scoop one of those guys up. I have for awhile. We need a guy that can guard the PG/SG's.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby XXIV on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:00 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:
pound4pound1 wrote:man...the 2014 FA class is freekin LOADED

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents


Iman Shumpert & Avery Bradley stick out to me. Both great individual defenders. I would love to scoop one of those guys up. I have for awhile. We need a guy that can guard the PG/SG's.


That'd be great, but I believe their RFA so it seems unlikely.

Some players I would like the Lakers to go after are Sefolosha, Deng, Battier, and Butler.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:04 pm

XXIV wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:
pound4pound1 wrote:man...the 2014 FA class is freekin LOADED

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents


Iman Shumpert & Avery Bradley stick out to me. Both great individual defenders. I would love to scoop one of those guys up. I have for awhile. We need a guy that can guard the PG/SG's.


That'd be great, but I believe their RFA so it seems unlikely.

Some players I would like the Lakers to go after are Sefolosha, Deng, Battier, and Butler.


You're right; very unlikely, but one can hope, though. I like the guys you listed. I'd take Deng in a second. Outstanding defender & a decent offensive player. Actually, he has more offensive game then the others Sefolosha, Battier, & Butler.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:55 pm

kobe and dantoni said they need length and athleticism and a defender. Ariza? again...
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:44 pm

Ariza3 wrote:kobe and dantoni said they need length and athleticism and a defender. Ariza? again...

Actually D'Antoni said they need length and shooters. :man10:

But I don't think Ariza fits in our plans because of his contract. It'd be difficult to get to him anyway.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:49 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:kobe and dantoni said they need length and athleticism and a defender. Ariza? again...

Actually D'Antoni said they need length and shooters. :man10:

But I don't think Ariza fits in our plans because of his contract. It'd be difficult to get to him anyway.


I thought he was a free agent, but looking it up you're right, he has a player option, but no way is he waking away from 7.7 million.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:56 pm

Weezy wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:kobe and dantoni said they need length and athleticism and a defender. Ariza? again...

Actually D'Antoni said they need length and shooters. :man10:

But I don't think Ariza fits in our plans because of his contract. It'd be difficult to get to him anyway.


I thought he was a free agent, but looking it up you're right, he has a player option, but no way is he waking away from 7.7 million.

Yeah he got the exact same contract as Artest in that same summer that he left. Given that he's stunk up the NBA since he's left LA, I don't think there's any chance in hell that he gives up that kind of guaranteed cash.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby JSM on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:18 pm

Before we set our sights too high...

Arash Markazi ‏@ArashMarkazi 3h
Mitch says it's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:48 pm

JSM wrote:Before we set our sights too high...

Arash Markazi ‏@ArashMarkazi 3h
Mitch says it's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents.


Realistically even if we find a taker for Pau we would most likely have to absorb a veteran deal of some sort.

Who knows what they are thinking but I see no way to rebuild a championship roster in 2014 when we go under the cap.... Howard's deal along with a re-signed Kobe will preclude us from being able to offer a max slot to anyone much less fill out a roster with the quality shooters needed to create space for Howard.

I don't see top tier free agents moving around much anymore.... the new CBA puts up to 30 Million reasons to stay put in the hands of the owners as insurance that the best players don't walk or create super teams like the recent past.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:08 pm

JSM wrote:Before we set our sights too high...

Arash Markazi ‏@ArashMarkazi 3h
Mitch says it's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents.


That's bulls***.

1.) Willie Green got traded to the Clips for a damn TPE and 2nd round player that will never play in the US. Would he have helped? Hell yes.

2.) NateRob / Webster / CJ Watson / Delonte / Mike James, CJ Miles / Livingston / Brian Roberts / R.Brewer.

3.) Midseason pick ups of Birdman, Martin

4.) FO deciding to re-sign Morris and Ebanks effectively put us out of the running for guys in point 1 and 2

5.) Reluctance of trading Pau has cost us some good young youthful players

6.) Missed the chance to get Beasley and instead traded the TPE and all our picks for a 40 year old PG.

7.) Dumba** coaching hires have cost us players (Barnes and pushed others out the door Jamison). Who wants to play for Mike Brown, who wants to play for Phil Jackson? There's a difference.

It's hard to get youthful and get better with cheap deals when you have basically went in the other direction in terms of achieving that goal.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby JSM on Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:17 pm

At least one of the following MUST be in the purple and gold next season if Dwight's stays: Korver, Morrow, James Jones, JJ Redick.

Going forward we have to have shooters who can make teams pay for doubling and tripling Dwight. Also guys Nash can find in the corner.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby thisbjgz on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:03 pm

As much as I would love to give LO another chance to be a Laker, does he have anything left? and is it even possible? Clippers have him under contract for another year no?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby LOL on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:38 pm

al horford + devin harris for pau, atlanta are in full on rebuilding mode, so they might want this huge 19m expiring chance

-Horford is as good as it gets at the pick-n-pop off of the pick and roll.
- He shoots the 10-15ftr as goodas any big man which is what a PF needs to do beside Howard
-Horford is dominant on the defensive end at his natural position of PF.

-devin harris,we all see what he can do in dallas
- back up to nash, can play as a undersize sg,
- him and blake as the back up back court will have some good scoring.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby TylerCaviar on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:47 pm

This is a completely highpothetical question. If Clippers lose in first round and CP3 wants out what could you come up with to get him here? Could we amnesty Pau and Sign CP3 and D12 to take a little less like LeBron and Co.? Hmm..... LOL I'm still bitter bout them basketball reasons!
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby XXIV on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:03 pm

TylerCaviar wrote:This is a completely highpothetical question. If Clippers lose in first round and CP3 wants out what could you come up with to get him here? Could we amnesty Pau and Sign CP3 and D12 to take a little less like LeBron and Co.? Hmm..... LOL I'm still bitter bout them basketball reasons!


Not possible unless he takes our mini MLE. We could even amnesty Kobe and have no cap space to sign him.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby borri on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:17 pm

JSM wrote:At least one of the following MUST be in the purple and gold next season if Dwight's stays: Korver, Morrow, James Jones, JJ Redick.

Going forward we have to have shooters who can make teams pay for doubling and tripling Dwight. Also guys Nash can find in the corner.


I'll add one. Jimmer Fredette, who should be real cheap.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby XXIV on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:18 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
JSM wrote:Before we set our sights too high...

Arash Markazi ‏@ArashMarkazi 3h
Mitch says it's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents.


That's bulls***.

1.) Willie Green got traded to the Clips for a damn TPE and 2nd round player that will never play in the US. Would he have helped? Hell yes.

2.) NateRob / Webster / CJ Watson / Delonte / Mike James, CJ Miles / Livingston / Brian Roberts / R.Brewer.

3.) Midseason pick ups of Birdman, Martin

4.) FO deciding to re-sign Morris and Ebanks effectively put us out of the running for guys in point 1 and 2

5.) Reluctance of trading Pau has cost us some good young youthful players

6.) Missed the chance to get Beasley and instead traded the TPE and all our picks for a 40 year old PG.

7.) Dumba** coaching hires have cost us players (Barnes and pushed others out the door Jamison). Who wants to play for Mike Brown, who wants to play for Phil Jackson? There's a difference.

It's hard to get youthful and get better with cheap deals when you have basically went in the other direction in terms of achieving that goal.


I couldn't agree more Doc. :bow:

There are many players available around our budget who could greatly help improve our bench/depth. Whether the FO realizes this or not is up to them, but if they open their eyes it should be clear what help is available.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Center Court on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:53 pm

Blake has upped his trade value immensely. Pau's has risen too. Those are our 2 trade assets.
We need a 6th man type player off the bench and shooters all over.

Blake, Duhon, 2nd for Ariza
Wiz get a useful backup who can contribute and be a solid vet to back J Wall and get a 2nd to boot.
We get our starting defensive SF

Amnesty MWP

mMLE on Nate Rob
Not sure if he'll get much more. For some reason he has a stigma that he's a cance even when contributing. Maybe the chance to finally be a 6th man entices him here.

Vet Min on Mike Dunleavy

Vet Min on Lamar Odom

Howard/Hill/Sacre
Pau/LO/Clark
Ariza/Dunleavy
Kobe/Meeks
Nash/Nate
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 12:22 am

JSM wrote:Before we set our sights too high...

Arash Markazi ‏@ArashMarkazi 3h
Mitch says it's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents.


So the Taxpayer MLE ( "mini" MLE) magically dissapeared ?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 12:33 am

Doc Brown wrote:
JSM wrote:Before we set our sights too high...

Arash Markazi ‏@ArashMarkazi 3h
Mitch says it's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents.


That's bulls***.

1.) Willie Green got traded to the Clips for a damn TPE and 2nd round player that will never play in the US. Would he have helped? Hell yes.

2.) NateRob / Webster / CJ Watson / Delonte / Mike James, CJ Miles / Livingston / Brian Roberts / R.Brewer.

3.) Midseason pick ups of Birdman, Martin

4.) FO deciding to re-sign Morris and Ebanks effectively put us out of the running for guys in point 1 and 2

5.) Reluctance of trading Pau has cost us some good young youthful players

6.) Missed the chance to get Beasley and instead traded the TPE and all our picks for a 40 year old PG.

7.) Dumba** coaching hires have cost us players (Barnes and pushed others out the door Jamison). Who wants to play for Mike Brown, who wants to play for Phil Jackson? There's a difference.

It's hard to get youthful and get better with cheap deals when you have basically went in the other direction in terms of achieving that goal.


Don't bother ... another year with the same old roster with no speed , athleticism and youth is coming ...

This whole organization is in strong denial ... " We only lost because of no training camp and injuries"
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Wed May 01, 2013 12:40 am

korver and nate would awesome backups.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Ariza3 on Wed May 01, 2013 12:45 am

wish we developed ebanks. kid has talent and playing time could have maybe fixed his sour attitude. that dui and mike brown to dantoni change really screwed him over. showed promise just messed up like rookie bc of lack of time. oh well could have been the length & athleticism we needed. oh well lakers dont really develop now a days
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Re: Roster Improvement: Free Agents Now and Later?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed May 01, 2013 2:18 am

^^ Please...... Ebanks didn't have the drive and willingness to really develop into anything. I know he didn't get a fair shot, but he never really pushed harder to prove anybody wrong.
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