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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby chingy248 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:01 am

if he's a RFA...can't he just do what D12 did? he'll only lose 1 year right?
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:06 am

It will be interesting to see if the Pacers want to become a luxury tax team. They have to pay Stephenson and George both next season. They already have ~50 million in guaranteed deals.

I still think they give him max and match anything, but some food for thought.

I would love to have PG. One of my favorite non-Laker players. I'd take him over any free agent next year (except Lebron). He's going to be a player for years to come.
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Postby Damian Necronamous on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:16 am

Once the Farmar signing becomes official, don't be surprised if we deal Blake to WAS for Trevor Booker and Chris Singleton. The salaries match up almost perfectly. Booker is a scoring big who won't get much PT behind Nene, Okafor and Seraphin, and Singleton is an athletic wing behind Beal, Porter and Ariza who has a lot of defensive potential.

If we manage to add Odom, I'd think we'd instead look to deal Blake for just a wing. Blake for Brandon Rush is a deal that could make sense, considering Utah has Hayward, Burks and Williams at the wing and only Trey Burke at PG.
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Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:21 am

I don't look at getting Paul George as something we have any realistic chance at doing.. But I'd take him over any player in the league right now outside of Lebron & Durant.. & honestly, I'd take him over both of them if I went with my gut, because I feel like under Kobe's wing he'd become the best player in the league.. 6'10 with all the tools to be good at everything, I know you have to take Durant or Lebron over him because he's not on that level yet.. Get PG & Lebron or Melo.. Or get PG & get Durant in 2015 if Melo & Bron stay put.. Wow.. Words can't explain how happy I'd be if Paul George ends up a Laker next summer.. He already learned so much from studying Kobe, but having him there every day to pick his brain & build his game.. I think he could become the best player in the league. Out of Lebron/Melo/Durant/PG I think George & Durant give us the best case scenario. They'd win right now with Kobe & they'd be winning long after Melo & Lebron are declining.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:22 am

WAS has no need for Blake, unless they want to offload Ariza that bad.

But I like our two young SF talents.
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:47 am

Heat To Amnesty Mike Miller?

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Just said this on @TheTicketMiami: from what I am hearing from multiple sources, the Heat are likely to amnesty Mike Miller today.


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Postby gcclaker on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:49 am

^Ray Allen re-signing for another year made Miller expendable plus that tax issue that they have to deal with.
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Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:00 pm

Mike Miller for the minimum to complete our SF rotation? I'm game.
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Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:05 pm

Damian Necronamous wrote:Once the Farmar signing becomes official, don't be surprised if we deal Blake to WAS for Trevor Booker and Chris Singleton. The salaries match up almost perfectly. Booker is a scoring big who won't get much PT behind Nene, Okafor and Seraphin, and Singleton is an athletic wing behind Beal, Porter and Ariza who has a lot of defensive potential.

If we manage to add Odom, I'd think we'd instead look to deal Blake for just a wing. Blake for Brandon Rush is a deal that could make sense, considering Utah has Hayward, Burks and Williams at the wing and only Trey Burke at PG.


If the Lakers did that, I'd be doing backflips! Living here in South Carolina, I've followed Trevor Booker since his high school and college days at Clemson. He is exactly what this team needs. Imagine a bigger, faster and more athletic MMP. Would easily be our best front court defender. He'd be our guy to defend hybrid power forwards like Lebron, KD and Melo.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:33 pm

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Then we don't have enough SG's. Who wouldn't want a guy at the end of the bench that is a cheat code when he shoots.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:38 pm

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Looks like the next move we see will be a big.

I think we need to roll with 3 PG / 5 wings / 6 bigs for the season. Carrying 14 after last season, IMO, is a good decision.
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Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:39 pm

I really hope they don't think we're set on the wings.. Young & Wes could take all the minutes at SF but not until Kobe is ready to play Kobe minutes again. Even then, I don't think it's a good idea to rely that heavily on 3 guys + Meeks to hold down both positions.. We need another shooter or someone who can guard the bigger SF's.. Miller is the best shooter we're going to get at the minimum. I think he can clear waivers by claiming he's injured too badly to play for a team that isn't contending & would rather retire.. But then we're competing with the Nets offering him the same minimum contract + 10M in Russia.. I'd like to sign him if we can.
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:04 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Initial reaction by Lakers to Mike Miller getting cut: Meh. They feel they already have enough SFs (Young, Wesley Johnson, Kobe).
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Then we don't have enough SG's. Who wouldn't want a guy at the end of the bench that is a cheat code when he shoots.

I feel the Lakers need to add another wing player cause I think Jodie can't cut it. I want to see Ronnie Brewer in a Laker uniform. Mike Miller is better than him but Lakers need a good young defensive player like Brewer and put him in the starting line up if signed. Nick, Wes and Mike Miller can all play SG as well. Since the Lakers seem to be not be interested in Miller, then I guess Jodie's job is safe. Just sign a back up PF like K-Mart of Tyrus Thomas.
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Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:25 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Agree. Lakers still want C/PF for vet's min. Odom remains a possibility. RT @norabovic: @Mike_Bresnahan They need another big who can score.
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Looks like the next move we see will be a big.

I think we need to roll with 3 PG / 5 wings / 6 bigs for the season. Carrying 14 after last season, IMO, is a good decision.

Big man who can score? There's not a lot out there and I think they really need a big man who can DEFEND...

If they want scoring with no defense Mullens is still available. :man10:
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:45 pm

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Behind on TL, so Miller is officially amnestied. Worth a look, Knicks fans? My thinking is he ends up in LA (D'Antoni) or Minnesota (Flip).


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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:48 pm

Mike Miller and James Johnson?

Get a shooter + a SF/PF that can play some perimeter defense.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:49 pm

Miller can shoot, but his legs are almost done. He's prone to go down any minute. I'd rather the minutes go to Young and Johnson.
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Postby charvin on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:49 pm

You don't go from an off-season of having no legitimate SFs to 'We feel we have too much now'. Mike Miller is a great shooting specialist, and you take the guy regardless so that he doesn't destroy you when he is on other teams, especially if he's willing to take the vet minimum.

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Then we don't have enough SG's. Who wouldn't want a guy at the end of the bench that is a cheat code when he shoots.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:21 pm

yes to Miller please, just dont let him scrimage :man10: only practice shooting. I swear I dont see him play often but when I do hear he's playing, he's playing hurt but still draining 3's like no other.
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Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Mike Miller and James Johnson?

Get a shooter + a SF/PF that can play some perimeter defense.

I don't think they need another guy that can play SF if we get Miller.. We'd be pretty much set & could focus on getting the best PF possible. I like James Johnson & Sam Young as SF's that play defense & have the size to play PF, but I'd take guys that can defend bigger PF's like LO or Maxiell.. Maybe even TT? He can still be a decent role player I think.. Mullens is another option at PF, 7 foot PF that doesn't play any D & hits 3's.. Maybe D'antoni can make him the new Channing Frye. I'd take K-Mart but only as a last resort.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:35 pm

With our horribly injury plagued season just behind us, I really am not high on adding a guy that hasn't played 60 games in a season in 4 years. I like Miller's game when he can play, but it's pretty much a guarantee he's going to miss time due to injury. 2010 - 54 games, 2011 - 41 games, 2012 - 39(of 66 lockout season) games, 2013 - 59 games. I kinda feel like I would be more willing to take a chance on an unknown with potential, a D-league player, something like that, in a season where we are looking to build for the future, not add old, broken down players to the end of the bench. That's just my take, don't want Miller, he won't be here in 2014, why waste a roster spot on a guy that will most likely be hurt and not help much is my thinking. We really need a PF right now from what I see, we have Hill, and Kelly at PF right now, we need either a starter or a guy to back up Hill, probably a stretch 4 starter to fit 'Antoni's style.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:48 pm

I'd feel more comfortable with Reggie Miller health wise.
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Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:29 pm

Weezy wrote:With our horribly injury plagued season just behind us, I really am not high on adding a guy that hasn't played 60 games in a season in 4 years. I like Miller's game when he can play, but it's pretty much a guarantee he's going to miss time due to injury. 2010 - 54 games, 2011 - 41 games, 2012 - 39(of 66 lockout season) games, 2013 - 59 games. I kinda feel like I would be more willing to take a chance on an unknown with potential, a D-league player, something like that, in a season where we are looking to build for the future, not add old, broken down players to the end of the bench. That's just my take, don't want Miller, he won't be here in 2014, why waste a roster spot on a guy that will most likely be hurt and not help much is my thinking. We really need a PF right now from what I see, we have Hill, and Kelly at PF right now, we need either a starter or a guy to back up Hill, probably a stretch 4 starter to fit 'Antoni's style.
We only have 11 guys under contract.. We can afford to get Miller to play 15-20 MPG at SF until Kobe is back to full strength, & possibly even then if he earns the minutes over other guys. If he gets hurt, we have other guys to step in & play more minutes.. I think we'll sign 3 more free agents & go into the season with 1 open spot like they usually do.. Hopefully we sign Miller, LO or Maxiell, & then they'll probably choose between Sasha, CDR, Raja Bell, for the 14th spot.. Or go with Glock or Selby if we trade Blake.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:40 pm

I'm just not high on Miller, or signing any guys with recent injury history like that if we can help it. I think you're being a little optimistic, and the fact that you even type the name Raja Bell as someone we should even glance at makes me think we probably won't agree on much when it comes to roster moves. I don't want Bell, I don't want Selby, I would take a chance on Sasha, might still take a chance on CDR, and I can't see who would want Blake.
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:42 pm

Bucks Waive Drew Gooden

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