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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:07 am

There's a reason we've been able to keep Kobe in his first years here lol.

Imagine if someone like Boston was able to take Kobe from us without those RFA rules in place.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:38 am

Our team is going to be so bad next year. :man10: :man10:
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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:41 am

To be honest, I don't think it's going to be as frustrating to watch as it was last year. That was by far the worst season to watch as a Laker fan my entire life.
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Postby charvin on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:15 am

kenzo wrote:RFA is BS... if you're not the players "original team" that is :bang:


Let's play it out as if the NBA has the same policy as the NFL does regarding RFAs. Would you be willing to give up your 2nd Round pick to the other team if the other team refused to match it? How about the 1st Round pick?
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Postby trodgers on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:49 am

kenzo wrote:RFA is BS... if you're not the players "original team" that is :bang:

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Postby v1n5anity on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:19 am

Rooscooter wrote:
thkthebest wrote:CP3 averaged something like 24/10/4 in that series and 24/11/5 in that entire run. He didn't exactly choke or flop. He looked nearly unstoppable. But Peja did disappear in the away games against the Spurs and in game 7. I don't know how you can look at that playoff run and think anything less of Chris Paul (in terms of his game...not his constant whining lol).

But that CP3 is gone. His game is more well-rounded now, but I don't see him every returning to that pre-surgery form where he can string together a slew of dominant games. He just seems to break down all the time.

And you almost always need a good #2. You also need good role players. Dirk was the exception to the rule.


His stats in the post season are misleading. Teams make him a scorer and limit his ability to disrupt defenses. Pop has game planned he and Nash right out of the playoffs in the past by forcing him to be the scorer and dominate the ball even more.... he gets his stats while the others don't. Looking back at the series stats one concluded that CP3 did great because of his numbers and other didn't because of their numbers but the reality is that the opposing team dictated those numbers and won the series.


Just curious, who would you rank as the top 5-7 PGs in the league (if healthy, and assuming Westbrook is a PG and Rose/Rondo are their
pre-injury selves)
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:18 pm

v1n5anity wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
thkthebest wrote:CP3 averaged something like 24/10/4 in that series and 24/11/5 in that entire run. He didn't exactly choke or flop. He looked nearly unstoppable. But Peja did disappear in the away games against the Spurs and in game 7. I don't know how you can look at that playoff run and think anything less of Chris Paul (in terms of his game...not his constant whining lol).

But that CP3 is gone. His game is more well-rounded now, but I don't see him every returning to that pre-surgery form where he can string together a slew of dominant games. He just seems to break down all the time.

And you almost always need a good #2. You also need good role players. Dirk was the exception to the rule.


His stats in the post season are misleading. Teams make him a scorer and limit his ability to disrupt defenses. Pop has game planned he and Nash right out of the playoffs in the past by forcing him to be the scorer and dominate the ball even more.... he gets his stats while the others don't. Looking back at the series stats one concluded that CP3 did great because of his numbers and other didn't because of their numbers but the reality is that the opposing team dictated those numbers and won the series.


Just curious, who would you rank as the top 5-7 PGs in the league (if healthy, and assuming Westbrook is a PG and Rose/Rondo are their
pre-injury selves)


This is like asking me to rank the best players of all time. I look at it differently if it's players in a vacuum or in a team situation.

PG is an important position in today's game but I don't think any one point guard in the league will be the Franchise Player on a championship team. Really, only two PG's have ever done that.... Cousey and Magic... and both had a ton of help and it's even debatable if they were the reason or products of the teams successes.

In today's game, the PG that I think brings the best value on both ends of the floor and has a proven post season record is Rondo. He's a little bit of a head case and seems moody but what he does in the Post season is pretty amazing in terms of elevating his game.

Rose is another PG that can take over a game and be a difference maker.... especially on the offensive end.

CP3 cannot be effective without screens and screen rolls. He's magnificent in the regular season in that when you play a different team every night but in a series of games he has been neutralized and his teammates end up marginalized by the defense.

Westbrook is a little like Rose except without the BBIQ. He has had some spectacular failures in pressure situations and like CP3 does well during the regular season.

Parker has developed into one of the best from a Championship team value IMO as well.
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Postby Ariza3 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:41 pm

Not sure if anyone mentioned this already or heard about this or how true it is...but I'd welcome him to the team if he does well in training camp.

“@IanBegley: The Lakers will have ex-#Knick Shawne Williams in training camp. Mike D'Antoni is a big fan. Williams worked out for NY in late June.”
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Postby v1n5anity on Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:22 pm

Rooscooter wrote:This is like asking me to rank the best players of all time. I look at it differently if it's players in a vacuum or in a team situation.

PG is an important position in today's game but I don't think any one point guard in the league will be the Franchise Player on a championship team. Really, only two PG's have ever done that.... Cousey and Magic... and both had a ton of help and it's even debatable if they were the reason or products of the teams successes.

In today's game, the PG that I think brings the best value on both ends of the floor and has a proven post season record is Rondo. He's a little bit of a head case and seems moody but what he does in the Post season is pretty amazing in terms of elevating his game.

Rose is another PG that can take over a game and be a difference maker.... especially on the offensive end.

CP3 cannot be effective without screens and screen rolls. He's magnificent in the regular season in that when you play a different team every night but in a series of games he has been neutralized and his teammates end up marginalized by the defense.

Westbrook is a little like Rose except without the BBIQ. He has had some spectacular failures in pressure situations and like CP3 does well during the regular season.

Parker has developed into one of the best from a Championship team value IMO as well.


I fully expected you to respond the way you did. No way you would've given a straight ranking from 1-5 in a list haha. Anyways, I respect your opinion which is why I asked for your assessment. And I love that you think Rondo is the best PG in the game. A friend of mine says Rondo is overrated and thought I was insane for saying Rondo>Rose (he just looks at ESPN player rankings and watches ESPN all day at work lol). I think he's underrated if anything. Rondo will always find ways to impact the game. And it's funny because he says "Rondo needs a very specific type of players around him" meanwhile he thinks Chris Paul is god. Paul also needs a certain type of team around him as well lol...

Anyways, thanks for the reply, I agree with pretty much everything you said.
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Postby Weezy on Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:28 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Not sure if anyone mentioned this already or heard about this or how true it is...but I'd welcome him to the team if he does well in training camp.

“@IanBegley: The Lakers will have ex-#Knick Shawne Williams in training camp. Mike D'Antoni is a big fan. Williams worked out for NY in late June.”



Welcome to a month ago. :man12:

http://www.clublakers.com/lakers-discussion/lakers-work-out-shawne-williams-t138153.html

Being kind, I'd say CL is split on Shawne, I don't want him.
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Postby Punk-101 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:12 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
PG is an important position in today's game but I don't think any one point guard in the league will be the Franchise Player on a championship team. Really, only two PG's have ever done that.... Cousey and Magic... and both had a ton of help and it's even debatable if they were the reason or products of the teams successes.


Would you include Zeke, but in a smaller window?
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:06 pm

Bucks Waive Gustavo Ayon

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BREAKING: The Bucks have requested waivers on C Gustavo Ayon.


https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/360539900455563265

Pretty good passer for his size. He would get mad love from the Latino community here in Cali.

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Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:26 pm

He's honestly not that bad. I think someone will pay decent money for him.

Per Year:
1- 5.9 points 4.9 rebounds 1.0 steals 0.9 blocks 1.4 assists 53.6 FG% 20 minutes
2- 3.7 points 3.6 rebounds 0.4 steals 0.3 blocks 1.3 assists 55.1 FG% 13.3 minutes

Not stellar, but per 36 minutes those numbers look much better:
1- 10.6 points 8.8 rebounds 1.8 steals 1.5 blocks 2.4 assists
2- 10 points 9.8 rebounds 1.1 steals 0.8 blocks 3.5 assists

He's 6'10" and 28 years old. Solid body out there... I'd think about it. Not a D'Antoni fit, but maybe good for a body out there.
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:29 pm

Punk-101 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
PG is an important position in today's game but I don't think any one point guard in the league will be the Franchise Player on a championship team. Really, only two PG's have ever done that.... Cousey and Magic... and both had a ton of help and it's even debatable if they were the reason or products of the teams successes.


Would you include Zeke, but in a smaller window?


Yes.... for 3 years he was part of a dominant team and he carried them in the playoffs. I keep forgetting that he had a career before being a philandering pile of poop GM.... :man10:
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Postby JSM on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:00 pm

2 more additions coming...

KEVIN DING
Lakers' intent is to sign two more players on partial-guarantee minimum deals. Those players will come from ...
the pool of veterans who slip through the cracks or players on Lakers' summer-league team. It makes sense for the Lakers to invest time, effort and money in younger, hungrier player than Lamar Odom -- as much as sentiment would make it a whole lot of fun to bring him back. Maybe they can find something there for the more realistic title hopes in the future.

Once draftee Ryan Kelly signs, the Lakers will have 12 players. They expect to enter the real season with 14.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:16 pm

I'd like a veteran PF and then the last spot can be a SG/SF type from Summer League or young kid to take a chance on.
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Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:42 pm

JSM wrote:2 more additions coming...

KEVIN DING
Lakers' intent is to sign two more players on partial-guarantee minimum deals. Those players will come from ...
the pool of veterans who slip through the cracks or players on Lakers' summer-league team. It makes sense for the Lakers to invest time, effort and money in younger, hungrier player than Lamar Odom -- as much as sentiment would make it a whole lot of fun to bring him back. Maybe they can find something there for the more realistic title hopes in the future.

Once draftee Ryan Kelly signs, the Lakers will have 12 players. They expect to enter the real season with 14.

I'm assuming 1 of CDR or Daye + 1 of the summer league PF's we're interested in. I haven't kept up with the summer league but I keep seeing a couple names tossed around, can any of these young guys block shots from the PF position?
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:42 pm

Does this mean we are going to go after a veteran SG/SF?

The FO is taking a big leap of faith with Kelly and Harris at the backup PF.
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Postby chingy248 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:51 pm

This is going to be like 2005 Kobe and Lakers all over again
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Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:01 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
JSM wrote:2 more additions coming...

KEVIN DING
Lakers' intent is to sign two more players on partial-guarantee minimum deals. Those players will come from ...
the pool of veterans who slip through the cracks or players on Lakers' summer-league team. It makes sense for the Lakers to invest time, effort and money in younger, hungrier player than Lamar Odom -- as much as sentiment would make it a whole lot of fun to bring him back. Maybe they can find something there for the more realistic title hopes in the future.

Once draftee Ryan Kelly signs, the Lakers will have 12 players. They expect to enter the real season with 14.

I'm assuming 1 of CDR or Daye + 1 of the summer league PF's we're interested in. I haven't kept up with the summer league but I keep seeing a couple names tossed around, can any of these young guys block shots from the PF position?
Looks like I was atleast half right.
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Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:07 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Does this mean we are going to go after a veteran SG/SF?

The FO is taking a big leap of faith with Kelly and Harris at the backup PF.

If by veteran SG/SF you mean Raja Bell, you might be right.
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:27 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Does this mean we are going to go after a veteran SG/SF?

The FO is taking a big leap of faith with Kelly and Harris at the backup PF.

If by veteran SG/SF you mean Raja Bell, you might be right.

He means Ronnie Brewer.
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Postby chingy248 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:53 pm

Phoenix and Indiana are engaged in serious talks about a trade that would send Luis Scola to the Pacers, league sources tell Y! Sports.


Reports from Argentina that Scola is headed to Pacers have been circulating for last hour, but latest word is Danny Granger is NOT in deal
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Postby kblo247 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:43 am

Its for Gerald Geen
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:16 am

Good for the Pacers. Anything to bolster that team to stop the heat
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