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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:36 am

No Bulls deal for Luol Deng

The agent for Luol Deng said the Chicago Bulls forward will explore free agency in 2014 after the team tabled contract extension talks until after the upcoming season, according to a report.

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Agent Herb Rudoy told the Chicago Tribune on Tuesday that the Bulls informed him last week there would be no talks this offseason or during training camp to extend the contract of the two-time All-Star, who is entering the final year of a six-year, $71 million deal. Comcast SportsNet reported Monday that contract talks with Deng had stalled.

Amid reports that the Bulls and Deng were engaged in extension talks since the end of last season, Rudoy told ESPNChicago.com's Nick Friedell in June that there had been no negotiations. Sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein in June that the Bulls were gauging Deng's value by having exploratory discussions with the Washington Wizards about a deal that would have sent Deng to the Wizards for the No. 3 pick in the 2013 draft and Emeka Okafor's expiring contract.

Bulls general manager Gar Forman has maintained that Deng is still a core player of the team.

"We value Luol, as you all know," Forman said on June 28. "You've heard [Bulls coach] Tom [Thibodeau] talk about it during the season, and us talk about it for years. Luol's a big piece of what we're doing. He's been a big piece of the success we've had the last couple years. He'll continue to be a big piece of what we're doing moving forward."

Deng, who led the NBA in minutes per game in the regular season (38.7) and postseason (44.8 in five games), missed the last seven games of the playoffs with complications from a spinal tap.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:24 am

Deng and Anthony 2014?
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Postby karacha on Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:50 pm

Deng is a good player and knows how to play D. He's versatile. You know how we usually say it around here -- "No Deng, no deal". :mhihi:
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:20 pm

karacha wrote:Deng is a good player and knows how to play D. He's versatile. You know how we usually say it around here -- "No Deng, no deal". :mhihi:


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Postby Kit on Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:55 am

He is great but no super star.
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Postby Lakerjones on Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:35 am

therealdeal wrote:If Dwight is healthy and motivated he's certainly a top 10 player in the league.

Harden isn't yet.


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Postby jlkr on Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:27 am

Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.

A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:45 am

jlkr wrote:Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.

A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...

Chris Paul, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony off the top of my head rank higher than him (when healthy of course). There's probably a couple I missed.

Steph Curry and Chris Bosh are in the same place as Harden. On the door step of the top, not the top yet. Let him keep putting up those officiating-approved numbers and we can talk.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:12 am

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jlkr wrote:Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.

A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...

Chris Paul, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony off the top of my head rank higher than him (when healthy of course). There's probably a couple I missed.

Steph Curry and Chris Bosh are in the same place as Harden. On the door step of the top, not the top yet. Let him keep putting up those officiating-approved numbers and we can talk.


No. Not Chris Bosh. I'd say Marc Gasol is closer to being better than Harden than Bosh...and for one season I'd take Dirk over Harden at this point, Westbrook is more impactful as well. But I totally agree with Dwight being top 10. He' top 5 if he's even 95% of the player he was pre-injury. I think Laker fans want to believe we got spurned by someone average. Like when you get dumped by a girl, "Pft, she wasn't that hot. I can find a girl better than her." When in reality she looked like Natalie Portman. Dwight couldn't have been our leader. We needed someone else to take that position on the team. But losing him is a MASSIVE blow to this franchise.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:33 am

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therealdeal wrote:
jlkr wrote:Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.

A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...

Chris Paul, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony off the top of my head rank higher than him (when healthy of course). There's probably a couple I missed.

Steph Curry and Chris Bosh are in the same place as Harden. On the door step of the top, not the top yet. Let him keep putting up those officiating-approved numbers and we can talk.


No. Not Chris Bosh. I'd say Marc Gasol is closer to being better than Harden than Bosh...and for one season I'd take Dirk over Harden at this point, Westbrook is more impactful as well. But I totally agree with Dwight being top 10. He' top 5 if he's even 95% of the player he was pre-injury. I think Laker fans want to believe we got spurned by someone average. Like when you get dumped by a girl, "Pft, she wasn't that hot. I can find a girl better than her." When in reality she looked like Natalie Portman. Dwight couldn't have been our leader. We needed someone else to take that position on the team. But losing him is a MASSIVE blow to this franchise.

Marc Gasol is a good name, I was just working off the top of my head. I thought about Dirk too and I probably would take him for a season as well (both guys being healthy).

I think losing Dwight was big, but the more I read it the more I see that Dwight wasn't going to stay here anyway and having him around might have been too volatile for us anyway. It's like losing Natalie Portman, but it turns out Natalie was a terrible fit for you. Like a manlier version of 500 Days of Summer.
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never saw why anyone thought this guy was a possibility.....any player on a rookie contract that pans out never leave their team with the 1st extension, so that goes for Lilliard and Irvin pipe dream too.
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Postby jlkr on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:21 am

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never saw why anyone thought this guy was a possibility.....any player on a rookie contract that pans out never leave their team with the 1st extension, so that goes for Lilliard and Irvin pipe dream too.

That was the intention of the CBA: make it easier for teams to retain their rookie stars.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:30 am

khmrP wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
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never saw why anyone thought this guy was a possibility.....any player on a rookie contract that pans out never leave their team with the 1st extension, so that goes for Lilliard and Irvin pipe dream too.


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Postby jlkr on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:49 am

therealdeal wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
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jlkr wrote:Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.

A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...

Chris Paul, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony off the top of my head rank higher than him (when healthy of course). There's probably a couple I missed.

Steph Curry and Chris Bosh are in the same place as Harden. On the door step of the top, not the top yet. Let him keep putting up those officiating-approved numbers and we can talk.


No. Not Chris Bosh. I'd say Marc Gasol is closer to being better than Harden than Bosh...and for one season I'd take Dirk over Harden at this point, Westbrook is more impactful as well. But I totally agree with Dwight being top 10. He' top 5 if he's even 95% of the player he was pre-injury. I think Laker fans want to believe we got spurned by someone average. Like when you get dumped by a girl, "Pft, she wasn't that hot. I can find a girl better than her." When in reality she looked like Natalie Portman. Dwight couldn't have been our leader. We needed someone else to take that position on the team. But losing him is a MASSIVE blow to this franchise.

Marc Gasol is a good name, I was just working off the top of my head. I thought about Dirk too and I probably would take him for a season as well (both guys being healthy).

I think losing Dwight was big, but the more I read it the more I see that Dwight wasn't going to stay here anyway and having him around might have been too volatile for us anyway. It's like losing Natalie Portman, but it turns out Natalie was a terrible fit for you. Like a manlier version of 500 Days of Summer.

Not sure why people keep bagging on Harden. Let me see:
5th overall in scoring and scoring per 48 minutes, 4th in total points. 2nd behind Bryant for shooting guards.

5.8 assists per game:
(1), among shooting guards, only Bryant had a higher average;
(2), among the top 10 scorers, only James, Bryant, Westbrook and Curry had higher assist averages.

4.9 rebounds per game: among shooting guards, only Bryant, Iguodala and JR Smith had higher rebound averages and only of those, only Bryant scored more.

Even Hollinger thinks Harden isn't so bad, has him 11th in PER.

Okay, it's only one year of production like that, I get it. But the production was nearly at Kobe's level and both played for mediocre teams. If we always take for granted that Kobe is top 10, then Harden belongs in that conversation too.
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Postby Center Court on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:39 pm

jlkr wrote:
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Savory Griddles wrote:
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jlkr wrote:Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.

A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...

Chris Paul, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony off the top of my head rank higher than him (when healthy of course). There's probably a couple I missed.

Steph Curry and Chris Bosh are in the same place as Harden. On the door step of the top, not the top yet. Let him keep putting up those officiating-approved numbers and we can talk.


No. Not Chris Bosh. I'd say Marc Gasol is closer to being better than Harden than Bosh...and for one season I'd take Dirk over Harden at this point, Westbrook is more impactful as well. But I totally agree with Dwight being top 10. He' top 5 if he's even 95% of the player he was pre-injury. I think Laker fans want to believe we got spurned by someone average. Like when you get dumped by a girl, "Pft, she wasn't that hot. I can find a girl better than her." When in reality she looked like Natalie Portman. Dwight couldn't have been our leader. We needed someone else to take that position on the team. But losing him is a MASSIVE blow to this franchise.

Marc Gasol is a good name, I was just working off the top of my head. I thought about Dirk too and I probably would take him for a season as well (both guys being healthy).

I think losing Dwight was big, but the more I read it the more I see that Dwight wasn't going to stay here anyway and having him around might have been too volatile for us anyway. It's like losing Natalie Portman, but it turns out Natalie was a terrible fit for you. Like a manlier version of 500 Days of Summer.

Not sure why people keep bagging on Harden. Let me see:
5th overall in scoring and scoring per 48 minutes, 4th in total points. 2nd behind Bryant for shooting guards.

5.8 assists per game:
(1), among shooting guards, only Bryant had a higher average;
(2), among the top 10 scorers, only James, Bryant, Westbrook and Curry had higher assist averages.

4.9 rebounds per game: among shooting guards, only Bryant, Iguodala and JR Smith had higher rebound averages and only of those, only Bryant scored more.

Even Hollinger thinks Harden isn't so bad, has him 11th in PER.

Okay, it's only one year of production like that, I get it. But the production was nearly at Kobe's level and both played for mediocre teams. If we always take for granted that Kobe is top 10, then Harden belongs in that conversation too.


With it. I think people knock Harden down on the top 10 list because of personal reasoning: the Kobe trash talk game, the incident with Ron, being with OKC, and then getting Dwight to Houston. I think among many LAL fans, it's resentment. Not all and I'm not accusing anyone of anything but just my gut.

Anyway, it's impossible to make a perfect top 10. Guys do different things and I guess I see where Harden is still behind quite a few, but I think he's on that cusp where he's good enough to be in it or just miss it on anyone's list.

To me the top 6 are a lock. After that, anyone from the list can have a point made for them. I've always felt a top 5 list is more factual based then the rest is opinion.

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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:19 pm

^^The 6th of your "locks" is not better than a few in your "others". If I were starting a team today I'd take Parker and Wade over CP3 all day every day. Harden would be right about there and Love brings more than just one or two things at a top level as well.

Dwight can't be top anything if he can't be counted on down the stretch and can't shoot free throws. I thought Lakers fans would have realized that by now. He's a top 10 talent but not a top 10 player. Do we forget the playoffs so easily around here. Any of the guys on this list would have been more valuable to us than he was in those 4 games.

Curry and Rose don't belong on a list of the top players due to their injury history... I doubt Curry will ever repeat last season and Rose hasn't proven he still has his dominating quickness and explosion after an injury like he had. Bynum is arguably as good as Howard when he plays yet no one would put him there because of his injury history. Same with those two IMO.
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Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:24 pm

jlkr wrote:Not sure why people keep bagging on Harden.

Who's bagging on him? I'm just saying he's not a lock for the Top 10 in the League. I gave my top 10 and there's really not a whole lot to argue against it. Would you take Harden over:
Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Paul George, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, or Kyrie Irving? Would you take him over Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, and Steph Curry?

The original post said that he was a top 10 player and that Dwight wasn't. That's wrong. In fact, I'd argue the opposite.
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Well this tread is over..... can't argue against it
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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.
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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.


And now maybe people will start seeing that the 2014 plan is just something the Lakers sold us. Dwight leaving hurt real bad. I know Laker fans don't want to believe that, but the Lakers, if they don't lay an egg this season and get a top 3-4 pick, could be looking at 5-6 years of complete and utter futility. We have no draft picks going forward except this season. Everyone worth anything on the roster is in their mid-30's. We are actually in a worse position now than when Shaq was traded...MUCH worse. At least we had a young Kobe and Odom at that point.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:05 am

2015 is the year that we need to make some noise in free agency.

Rondo, LMA, Marc Gasol will all be UFA.
Love has a player option, but unlike most superstars, he's on a team that isn't very good and he has been unhappy their in the past.

2016 - Durant / Hibbert / Noah / Bosh / Conley all UFA

I like our chances of at least snagging 2 of these guys listed above. We just need to hope the bickering children in the FO grow up by that time and are able to bring the Lakers back to being a powerhouse in the league.
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Doc Brown wrote:
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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:18 am

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.


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