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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:19 pm

^^The 6th of your "locks" is not better than a few in your "others". If I were starting a team today I'd take Parker and Wade over CP3 all day every day. Harden would be right about there and Love brings more than just one or two things at a top level as well.

Dwight can't be top anything if he can't be counted on down the stretch and can't shoot free throws. I thought Lakers fans would have realized that by now. He's a top 10 talent but not a top 10 player. Do we forget the playoffs so easily around here. Any of the guys on this list would have been more valuable to us than he was in those 4 games.

Curry and Rose don't belong on a list of the top players due to their injury history... I doubt Curry will ever repeat last season and Rose hasn't proven he still has his dominating quickness and explosion after an injury like he had. Bynum is arguably as good as Howard when he plays yet no one would put him there because of his injury history. Same with those two IMO.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:24 pm

jlkr wrote:Not sure why people keep bagging on Harden.

Who's bagging on him? I'm just saying he's not a lock for the Top 10 in the League. I gave my top 10 and there's really not a whole lot to argue against it. Would you take Harden over:
Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Paul George, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, or Kyrie Irving? Would you take him over Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, and Steph Curry?

The original post said that he was a top 10 player and that Dwight wasn't. That's wrong. In fact, I'd argue the opposite.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:33 pm

Well this tread is over..... can't argue against it
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:10 am

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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:39 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.


And now maybe people will start seeing that the 2014 plan is just something the Lakers sold us. Dwight leaving hurt real bad. I know Laker fans don't want to believe that, but the Lakers, if they don't lay an egg this season and get a top 3-4 pick, could be looking at 5-6 years of complete and utter futility. We have no draft picks going forward except this season. Everyone worth anything on the roster is in their mid-30's. We are actually in a worse position now than when Shaq was traded...MUCH worse. At least we had a young Kobe and Odom at that point.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:05 am

2015 is the year that we need to make some noise in free agency.

Rondo, LMA, Marc Gasol will all be UFA.
Love has a player option, but unlike most superstars, he's on a team that isn't very good and he has been unhappy their in the past.

2016 - Durant / Hibbert / Noah / Bosh / Conley all UFA

I like our chances of at least snagging 2 of these guys listed above. We just need to hope the bickering children in the FO grow up by that time and are able to bring the Lakers back to being a powerhouse in the league.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:10 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
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Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:18 am

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
View summary


Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.


aka new part owner shaq who is very high on him.
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Postby Center Court on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:30 am

Doc Brown wrote:2015 is the year that we need to make some noise in free agency.

Rondo, LMA, Marc Gasol will all be UFA.
Love has a player option, but unlike most superstars, he's on a team that isn't very good and he has been unhappy their in the past.

2016 - Durant / Hibbert / Noah / Bosh / Conley all UFA

I like our chances of at least snagging 2 of these guys listed above. We just need to hope the bickering children in the FO grow up by that time and are able to bring the Lakers back to being a powerhouse in the league.



Wouldn't that make Love a primary target?

Heard on realgm Durant has an opt out in 2015, anyone know if that's true?
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Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:43 am

I'd put Marc and Love at the same level.

Love would be more suited for a high tempo offense where he can actually be the 5. He's an excellent rebounder and finisher around the rim, even though he can't jump that high, kind of like Zbo. He has range and makes excellent outlet passes. Defensively, not sure what he can bring. My biggest concern with KLove is his injury history. He's been out like the last two seasons.

Marc on the other hand is a good player on both ends. Effective in the post. Not as smooth and finesse like Pau, but just as effective. With Zbo on the Grizzlies, he doesn't get the lions share of looks to really see his production. Defensively, he's smart, which is why he won DPOY. He knows when to help, and he takes up a lot of space in the paint. I think his only drawback is his speed (like Pau) and his conditioning.

IMO, I'd really like Marc back. He's a competitor, and he'd be back with the team that drafted him. The way Love is already handling Minnesota, I'm not sure I want to deal with that. Marc is all business.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:03 am

lakerfan2 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
View summary


Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.


aka new part owner shaq who is very high on him.

Doesn't Shaq own like 2/3 of 1 share?
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:05 am

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
View summary


Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.


I'm actually quite thrilled that Cousins is off the market and will be nowhere near this team. I see all the ability he has but he's as big of a headcase as I've seen in recent years. Do not want!!
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:07 am

At this point the guy I'd like to get most is Durant. It may be a long shot but he's the one.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:17 am

lakerfan2 wrote:I'd put Marc and Love at the same level.

Love would be more suited for a high tempo offense where he can actually be the 5. He's an excellent rebounder and finisher around the rim, even though he can't jump that high, kind of like Zbo. He has range and makes excellent outlet passes. Defensively, not sure what he can bring. My biggest concern with KLove is his injury history. He's been out like the last two seasons.

Marc on the other hand is a good player on both ends. Effective in the post. Not as smooth and finesse like Pau, but just as effective. With Zbo on the Grizzlies, he doesn't get the lions share of looks to really see his production. Defensively, he's smart, which is why he won DPOY. He knows when to help, and he takes up a lot of space in the paint. I think his only drawback is his speed (like Pau) and his conditioning.

IMO, I'd really like Marc back. He's a competitor, and he'd be back with the team that drafted him. The way Love is already handling Minnesota, I'm not sure I want to deal with that. Marc is all business.


^^ I'm with you lakerfan2. I'd actually prefer Marc Gasol to Love in a pretty major way. With Howard gone, I don't see as much upside for Love here. I like his hustle for the boards, but I'm not enamored with his long range shooting if we don't have a center to go along with him.

Gasol is just a solid as can be type player for his position. We could really use a guy like him.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:18 am

Lakerjones wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
View summary


Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.

I'm surprised they just gave him the extension. I guess new management has more faith in him than the last one did.


I'm actually quite thrilled that Cousins is off the market and will be nowhere near this team. I see all the ability he has but he's as big of a headcase as I've seen in recent years. Do not want!!

Yeah I'm not that high on Cousins. I know he's a great talent, but I'm not sold his attitude problems are solvable.
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Postby Lakerjones on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:14 am

^^ Agreed.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:09 am

Josh Howard Comeback

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Free agent Josh Howard had good work outs for SA & HOU after return from knee surgery, but still seeking training camp invite, source says.


https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/stat ... 1602108417
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Postby lotus on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:24 am

Kobe8Fan wrote:
Josh Howard Comeback

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 23m

Free agent Josh Howard had good work outs for SA & HOU after return from knee surgery, but still seeking training camp invite, source says.


https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/stat ... 1602108417

Talk about someone that fell off the radar. I thought his career would be much more impressive. I guess you can blame the injury.

When is Devean George making a comeback. A mid to late 30's player gunning 3's, no defense, pennies on the dollar one year contract, he'd be a good fit this year. :man1:
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Postby TheOp on Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:32 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6h
Y! Source: DeMarcus Cousins reaches agreement on a four-year, $62M contract extension with the Sacramento Kings. http://yhoo.it/16NuaHJ
View summary


Another "free agent" off the list for 2014.


And now maybe people will start seeing that the 2014 plan is just something the Lakers sold us. Dwight leaving hurt real bad. I know Laker fans don't want to believe that, but the Lakers, if they don't lay an egg this season and get a top 3-4 pick, could be looking at 5-6 years of complete and utter futility. We have no draft picks going forward except this season. Everyone worth anything on the roster is in their mid-30's. We are actually in a worse position now than when Shaq was traded...MUCH worse. At least we had a young Kobe and Odom at that point.


I used to think so too but Dwight isnt a guy thats going to lead you to a championship. For all his bright spots he has a lot of negatives too. Firstly you cant trust him late in games, his free throw shooting is a liability. Hes very turnover prone, seems more injury prone at this stage in his career, relies heavily on his athleticism, has a bad attitude, and lacks offensive fundamentals.

Hes an excellent defender, but id rather have a defensive anchor at Center like Tyson Chandler (who has a ring and doesnt demand the ball) at a much cheaper price, then fill the roster with a couple other superstars.
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Postby Alleyhoops on Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:07 pm

Although there are a few more "exciting" centers in the league, Marc Gasol sure looks like the type of center that's going to be an anchor on championships teams. Tough, skilled, defensive timing, footwork gets better and better. And steady as hell. Man, I would love to have him here, but by the time he hits FA, he'll most likely be the top center in the league, if he isn't right there already.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby CarFlagChris on Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:11 pm

This "tryout" the Lakers are conducting this year is the best option going forward, absent healthy superstars.
2014 is a better theoretical plan than anything real, especially as the Lakers can no longer spend wildly under the new CBA.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:37 pm

CarFlagChris wrote:This "tryout" the Lakers are conducting this year is the best option going forward, absent healthy superstars.
2014 is a better theoretical plan than anything real, especially as the Lakers can no longer spend wildly under the new CBA.

I don't think 2014 is a safe enough bet to throw away any moves we could make this season to take on salary. Unless you're getting Lebron, there's noone available unrestricted in 2014 worth offering max money. Melo isn't the answer but would be acceptable if we already land a star by taking on salary this season, which is my next point.. We have so much flexibility that we could have salary dumped on us & still be able to sign a big FA in 2014. I think it's too early to predict which teams will implode & dump talent for expirings & future picks or something, but we watched it happen with a few teams already & the CBA only gets more harsh as we go foward. Combine that with how good this draft is supposed to be & how many teams might dump talent with salary to tank..

Players I think we'll trade/might have value: Pau, Hill, Nash, any of our rookies that pan out would instantly become our best trade assets.. If Harris, Landry, Kelly or Sacre or whatever young guy makes our roster looks like a stud I have 0 doubt that he will be packaged most likely with expiring contracts to bring in an impact player. Hill probably has the most value currently to any tanking team, so a good start to the season for him would open up some options. Blake should have good value as it looks like he'll have a big role to start the season(to build his value?) & can be packaged with other expirings & young pieces.. The team I like to convince myself it's realistic to deal with is Toronto.. Mainly because they're the only team I could see considering trading for Nash.. A Nash homecoming could be a cash cow for them.. Hopefully they'd consider Lowry expendable with Nash incoming & give us Lowry & Gay + a bad contract or 2. Pau would be flipped to a 3rd team for pieces Toronto wants mostly, if we come away with anything good from the 3rd team that's a bonus. Lowry/Kobe/Gay/Hill/Kaman with Gay moving to the 4 some to work in Wes & Young. I really like that team & Lowry is expiring so we can still sign a max guy next season if Lebron wants to come join the GOAT. I also think if we put together a contender either this season or early in next offseason, we'll be at the top of Dirk's list if he decides to ringchase.. I can't see him joining up with another superstar besides Kobe.

I'm sure if most had to name 1 thing they would take back it would be the Dwight trade, but having all those 1st's we gave up for Nash would be great assets for a season like this.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:16 pm

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Another one off the never were going to get them in the first place list.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:46 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Another one off the never were going to get them in the first place list.

Did anyone think we could have gotten him?
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby karacha on Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:53 pm

No, I don't think so.
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