jlkr wrote:therealdeal wrote:Savory Griddles wrote:therealdeal wrote:jlkr wrote:Harden not a Top 10 player? that's a joke. A couple more years of production at his current level and people won't doubt it anymore.
A healthy and motivated Howard is by far #1 at the defensive end; no one else even comes close at that end of the floor. That alone makes him Top 10 in terms of his influence on games. Throw in adequate offensive production and he is Top 3 (with Lebron and KD). Not healthy? Then it's a different story...
Chris Paul, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony off the top of my head rank higher than him (when healthy of course). There's probably a couple I missed.
Steph Curry and Chris Bosh are in the same place as Harden. On the door step of the top, not the top yet. Let him keep putting up those officiating-approved numbers and we can talk.
No. Not Chris Bosh. I'd say Marc Gasol is closer to being better than Harden than Bosh...and for one season I'd take Dirk over Harden at this point, Westbrook is more impactful as well. But I totally agree with Dwight being top 10. He' top 5 if he's even 95% of the player he was pre-injury. I think Laker fans want to believe we got spurned by someone average. Like when you get dumped by a girl, "Pft, she wasn't that hot. I can find a girl better than her." When in reality she looked like Natalie Portman. Dwight couldn't have been our leader. We needed someone else to take that position on the team. But losing him is a MASSIVE blow to this franchise.
Marc Gasol is a good name, I was just working off the top of my head. I thought about Dirk too and I probably would take him for a season as well (both guys being healthy).
I think losing Dwight was big, but the more I read it the more I see that Dwight wasn't going to stay here anyway and having him around might have been too volatile for us anyway. It's like losing Natalie Portman, but it turns out Natalie was a terrible fit for you. Like a manlier version of 500 Days of Summer.
Not sure why people keep bagging on Harden. Let me see:
5th overall in scoring and scoring per 48 minutes, 4th in total points. 2nd behind Bryant for shooting guards.
5.8 assists per game:
(1), among shooting guards, only Bryant had a higher average;
(2), among the top 10 scorers, only James, Bryant, Westbrook and Curry had higher assist averages.
4.9 rebounds per game: among shooting guards, only Bryant, Iguodala and JR Smith had higher rebound averages and only of those, only Bryant scored more.
Even Hollinger thinks Harden isn't so bad, has him 11th in PER.
Okay, it's only one year of production like that, I get it. But the production was nearly at Kobe's level and both played for mediocre teams. If we always take for granted that Kobe is top 10, then Harden belongs in that conversation too.
With it. I think people knock Harden down on the top 10 list because of personal reasoning: the Kobe trash talk game, the incident with Ron, being with OKC, and then getting Dwight to Houston. I think among many LAL fans, it's resentment. Not all and I'm not accusing anyone of anything but just my gut.
Anyway, it's impossible to make a perfect top 10. Guys do different things and I guess I see where Harden is still behind quite a few, but I think he's on that cusp where he's good enough to be in it or just miss it on anyone's list.
To me the top 6 are a lock. After that, anyone from the list can have a point made for them. I've always felt a top 5 list is more factual based then the rest is opinion.